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An innocent question here... So for you, these Denominations aren't Spirit-filled?

I now belong to an Episcopal church and before that was raised Catholic, I can assure you, I am Spirit-filled, even though I do not speak in tongues or pray in tongues. It is by the Spirit that I am able to stay calm while being told that I am not a Christian on these very forums. It is the very Spirit that brings to my mind things to say when I do not have the words to say myself.
Just wanted to point out that it isn't the majority of members accusing you of not being a Christian...one in particular...is there someone else?
This reminds me of Madame O'Hara who was spotlighted in the media back in the 70's. She was an atheist and challenged the Supreme Court over violation of her religious freedom because her children were forced to participate in prayer at school. She said it was a violation to force them to participate in the Christian beliefs when their belief opposed it. She won her case and all public schools were ordered to stop prayer in school.
One person affected an entire nation.
One person...how pitiful the power of one voice had...why? Because the voices of the majority would not rise up against her....imho.
 

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Holy cow! This is recurring? :p Good heavens, LoL.

Well, there's something obviously here then, but I bet even my interpreter friend would need a little time with this one... Just reading it now, and that's the type I would back up on and need some revelation on after seeking Him in prayer, and no telling what's going on in my life today. My wife is home and after me about stuff, so my time isn't exactly mine at present, but let me see what I can't discern when I can get some free time here and there...

Not in water... ah... ok, you know, this could be a dream about the banks taking over and assuming more and more property and power as the economy slowly deteriorates and inflation causes more and more people to default on their loans. The Teller and those with him are not "under water" like you and those in line are, and the phrase...

Yeah, see I just went and looked it up, and according to one article on investing:

"Underwater" is the term for a financial contract or asset that is worth less than its notional value. This item could be an out-of-the-money call option where the stock currently trades above the option's strike price. More commonly though, the term is used in relation to a house, or another substantial asset, which has an outstanding mortgage or loan on the asset that is a larger amount than what the asset is worth. In either case, the holder has an asset without intrinsic value. In the case of the mortgage or loan, the holder of the asset actually owes more than the asset is worth.
What Does Underwater Mean in Finance?

Told you silly dreams aren't always so silly. :)

I'm gonna check out for a bit, but this is the heart of the interpretation to your dream right here. The rest is simply filling in the pieces. I could guess at some of the other symbolism now as well, but how about if I leave it up to you and others to see if you can figure some things out. Like my friend said, this sort of thing can be fun... even if the meaning really isn't. I do know the Spirit has prophesied warnings about staying out of debt now, lest Christians become slaves to the banks, so this dream is more confirmation of what the Spirit is saying to the churches.

I'll be back, and thanks for sharing your "crazy" dream. ;)

LOL It is definitely wild.
Thank you so much. Like I said I am not well versed with dream interpretation.
You can say I do not have financial concerns or I have decisively decided not to trust banks. LOL
It is like that joke were the son tell his dad that he thinks he is going to fail his math test.
His dad tells him that he should think more positively.
The son responds with, Fine, I am positive that I am going to fail my math test.

I do not keep money in the bank and I invest in secure commodities. I pay my bills in either cash or Cashier's checks. Could the dream be about the fallacy regarding the security of banks? That is a shot in the dark!
There is a phantasm about this dream...something I forgot to point out...there are other fish or something else in the water that I am feeling is not good.

Either way, have some fun with it...looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts....Again thanks.
 
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Well, I didn't mean to offend, but Post #59 paints the Christian Right as solely/primarily the problem, which is to sympathize with the same polarization that actually IS the biggest part of the problem, IMO. But I have little problem in anyone offering a different interpretation. Looks like we'll just to have to agree to disagree on this one is all.

No offense taken. I come from a family of prophets. Some dream dreams and see visions. Some interpret dreams and others interpret the speaking of tongues. There have been many times where family members have had national and internation dreams come to pass.

I just listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling me. When he gives me a revelation of a dream, I will speak it if God allows but I do not go on my own understanding because these things are usually understood by the one who had the dream as it will always agree in their heart by the Holy Spirit. Most folk who have dreams have an idea but cannot put it together in a cohesive way until it is unfolded by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.
 

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Could the dream be about the fallacy regarding the security of banks? That is a shot in the dark!

Here are a few more notes on your dream:

- Fish can often represent Christians, and the fish in your dream is scared of the cat. Since the cat is a banker, it may mean the banks are poised to prey upon believers, financially speaking.
- Your check is wet, which means you fear it will be relatively worthless (and currencies could indeed be relatively worthless soon if hyper-inflation ensues).
- As stated, the financial term "underwater" means housing could become relatively worthless compared to its preset value. Some fear a housing bubble is currently being created by big corporate buyers buying up entire neighborhoods to manipulate the markets, before they drop the bomb to really enter in for the kill when they eventually manipulate the markets in the opposite direction. This video would give you a bit more information. The warning signs they talk about in the second minute are all happening now.



- Good luck finding good info on it right now, because apparently there is a major cover up going on at this point (which shocked me on trying to find something good for you on it), but the banking conspiracy actually began back in the 1800s with wealthy families like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Hence everyone wearing 19th century attire, and the sun going across the sky over and over again quickly. The dream is depicting the fulfillment of a long-standing plan over time, from then to where you are today.
No offense taken. I come from a family of prophets. Some dream dreams and see visions. Some interpret dreams and others interpret the speaking of tongues. There have been many times where family members have had national and internation dreams come to pass.

I just listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling me. When he gives me a revelation of a dream, I will speak it if God allows but I do not go on my own understanding because these things are usually understood by the one who had the dream as it will always agree in their heart by the Holy Spirit. Most folk who have dreams have an idea but cannot put it together in a cohesive way until it is unfolded by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.
Yes, Ma'am. That's my experience as well. :) Maybe we can get together and compare notes some day. You and I have never spent any time getting to know one another yet : )
There is a phantasm about this dream...something I forgot to point out...there are other fish or something else in the water that I am feeling is not good.
Other fish equal other Christians, and something in the water with them could be those who prey specifically on the fish, i.e. like people who identify as Christian "friends" who are in the water with them but take advantage of them in their time of need rather than helping.

Still haven't really had time to analyze the dream closely, but I'm just throwing out some things as I go.



 
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Here are a few more notes on your dream:

- Fish can often represent Christians, and the fish in your dream is scared of the cat. Since the cat is a banker, it may mean the banks are poised to prey upon believers, financially speaking.
- Your check is wet, which means you fear it will be relatively worthless (and currencies could indeed be relatively worthless soon if hyper-inflation ensues).
- As stated, the financial term "underwater" means housing could become relatively worthless compared to its preset value. Some fear a housing bubble is currently being created by big corporate buyers buying up entire neighborhoods to manipulate the markets, before they drop the bomb to really enter in for the kill when they eventually manipulate the markets in the opposite direction. This video would give you a bit more information. The warning signs they talk about in the second minute are all happening now.



- Good luck finding good info on it right now, because apparently there is a major cover up going on at this point (which shocked me on trying to find something good for you on it), but the banking conspiracy actually began back in the 1800s with wealthy families like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. Hence everyone wearing 19th century attire, and the sun going across the sky over and over again quickly. The dream is depicting the fulfillment of a long-standing plan over time, from then to where you are today.

Yes, Ma'am. That's my experience as well. :) Maybe we can get together and compare notes some day. You and I have never spent any time getting to know one another yet : )

Other fish equal other Christians, and something in the water with them could be those who prey specifically on the fish, i.e. like people who identify as Christian "friends" who are in the water with them but take advantage of them in their time of need rather than helping.

Still haven't really had time to analyze the dream closely, but I'm just throwing out some things as I go.



That is great! Thank you so much. I am thinking about it. Good stuff.
The revolving sun....I had considered that it represented the passage of time.
Keep me in mind. Let me know if something else comes to mind.
 
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No offense taken. I come from a family of prophets. Some dream dreams and see visions. Some interpret dreams and others interpret the speaking of tongues. There have been many times where family members have had national and internation dreams come to pass.

I just listen to what the Holy Spirit is telling me. When he gives me a revelation of a dream, I will speak it if God allows but I do not go on my own understanding because these things are usually understood by the one who had the dream as it will always agree in their heart by the Holy Spirit. Most folk who have dreams have an idea but cannot put it together in a cohesive way until it is unfolded by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

The waiting part is hard for me. I like the kind like the one in my thread that seem more like a parable in a way. These are the ones that stick with me the most.

Like one time I had a dream where there were two buffet lines. The short line had a register while the longer line didn't have a register at the end. There was that protection glass in between me and the food. There was also this man with dark black curls and a long brown trench coat next to me. We were talking, I can't remember about what, but he had his plate piled really high with food. Me, I had a normal sized portion of food, but I really wanted what he had on his plate. I just didn't know how to get it all. An old woman was serving the food smiling. So then the man turned and went to the short line to check out with this old man at the register. I was still on the long line with my plate, because I wasn't done.

Hidden interpreted this for me (and if I don't get this completely right what you said, let me know @HiddeninHim it was a long while back).

But basically some people can take in a lot more spiritual stuff at once, while others take it in over a longer period of time. It doesn't mean that I won't get as high stacked plate of food as the man in the trench coat, but it means some Christians take it in a bit slower then others. My pastor mentioned to me that the buffet is all there and I can get anything I want. I just need to ask for discernment and take it!!!!

So this was super encouraging to me and both things ring true in my spirit. These are the sort of dreams that are revelations to me. Others disturb me and make my heart sad. And then some I don't know about at all anymore. But I know I'm not going to check out until my plate is overflowing and I have understanding and everything else concerning what God is speaking.



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Just wanted to point out that it isn't the majority of members accusing you of not being a Christian...one in particular...is there someone else?
This reminds me of Madame O'Hara who was spotlighted in the media back in the 70's. She was an atheist and challenged the Supreme Court over violation of her religious freedom because her children were forced to participate in prayer at school. She said it was a violation to force them to participate in the Christian beliefs when their belief opposed it. She won her case and all public schools were ordered to stop prayer in school.
One person affected an entire nation.
One person...how pitiful the power of one voice had...why? Because the voices of the majority would not rise up against her....imho.

There was at least two total, no more than three. Sometimes the accusation is more of a question than an outright statement.

Not sure I understand the rest of your post.
 

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There was at least two total, no more than three. Sometimes the accusation is more of a question than an outright statement.

Not sure I understand the rest of your post.
It was basically referring to how we let one voice rule our thoughts and actions when the majority doesn't stand in agreement with it...yet we don't speak out against it.
Reporting it helps the staff keep that one voice from injuring the member it attacks which effects the rest as well.
 
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It was basically referring to how we let one voice rule our thoughts and actions when the majority doesn't stand in agreement with it...yet we don't speak out against it.
Reporting it helps the staff keep that one voice from injuring the member it attacks which effects the rest as well.

That makes sense! Thank you!!
 
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It was basically referring to how we let one voice rule our thoughts and actions when the majority doesn't stand in agreement with it...yet we don't speak out against it.
Reporting it helps the staff keep that one voice from injuring the member it attacks which effects the rest as well.

Exactly, minority rule.
The protest groups are acting like agencies of the governments and the courts are taking them seriously.
Spire a gas company put in an underground pipe line for home heating....the Sierra Club came in and shut it down after it was in and in use.
People are allergic to different foods, ingredients, and oils and they petition to prevent the foods from being on the premise of the restaurants and grocery stores, so no one else can eat them.
It is a crazy mind set.
 
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That makes sense! Thank you!!
You're welcome and I pray you will trust there are more here for you than against you....
But MOST importantly....if God is for you who can be against you?
The enemy will always wage war against you and on the forum he uses people to do it....
So the one who allows themselves to be used of Satan is the one who needs the Holy Spirit to show them the error of their ways.
 

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The waiting part is hard for me. I like the kind like the one in my thread that seem more like a parable in a way. These are the ones that stick with me the most.

Like one time I had a dream where there were two buffet lines. The short line had a register while the longer line didn't have a register at the end. There was that protection glass in between me and the food. There was also this man with dark black curls and a long brown trench coat next to me. We were talking, I can't remember about what, but he had his plate piled really high with food. Me, I had a normal sized portion of food, but I really wanted what he had on his plate. I just didn't know how to get it all. An old woman was serving the food smiling. So then the man turned and went to the short line to check out with this old man at the register. I was still on the long line with my plate, because I wasn't done.

Hidden interpreted this for me (and if I don't get this completely right what you said, let me know @HiddeninHim it was a long while back).

But basically some people can take in a lot more spiritual stuff at once, while others take it in over a longer period of time. It doesn't mean that I won't get as high stacked plate of food as the man in the trench coat, but it means some Christians take it in a bit slower then others. My pastor mentioned to me that the buffet is all there and I can get anything I want. I just need to ask for discernment and take it!!!!

So this was super encouraging to me and both things ring true in my spirit. These are the sort of dreams that are revelations to me. Others disturb me and make my heart sad. And then some I don't know about at all anymore. But I know I'm not going to check out until my plate is overflowing and I have understanding and everything else concerning what God is speaking.



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@Mayflower Good to follow what's really revealed in God's Word, right? :)
 

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You're welcome and I pray you will trust there are more here for you than against you....
But MOST importantly....if God is for you who can be against you?
The enemy will always wage war against you and on the forum he uses people to do it....
So the one who allows themselves to be used of Satan is the one who needs the Holy Spirit to show them the error of their ways.
@Heart2Soul The true believer can know the Lord Jesus' intercession on his or her behalf.... (Hebrews 7.25).
 

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I read good wisdom yesterday from someone. Just really encouraged me. She said if God has given us assurance in any form be it in thought or word, we should not shrink from telling others, but be prepared, if it be His will, to make it known.

I've been taught that faith is confident assurance. It just touched my heart and the other things she said. Discernment with dreams is going to take awhile to get. There is a lot of spiritual warfare involved and I'm a very emotional person too. I know when God is speaking to me personally, but to others I have less discernment. For being lead to share, I have put my foot in my mouth. Believing certain things too about dreams... Not everything is meant to be shared. Prophetically I can't interpret much, because I really do not know much about news/politics/Catholicism/the world. I'm a very non confrontational person, so just stay out of it. Seems easier to not take sides except I want to know Bible deeper theologically. But it is harder to have that confident assurance/confirmation when I really don't research stuff out. I get scared easy though, so it becomes a stumbling block. Interpretations can be explained and I can even think something is right, but Idk. Confirmation with witnesses is important. I made a lot of mistakes with sharing my dreams. And which dreams are God dreams. I just don't feel I can handle looking into things deeper besides the Word of God. I have to develop the spirit of power, love, and sound mind God has given me and fight the spirit of fear. But I don't want to share too many dreams publicly. I want to pray for awhile. It is going to take time. But I do have confident assurance with some dreams, like this one, that God is speaking/teaching.

The spirit of division is the main thing I got out of this dream. And the wisdom that we need to look different from the World, be transformed by the Word.
This is excellent, @Mayflower

Back in 1989 whilst at Ministry Training College our class of 16 developed a protocol for assessing the visions, dreams, impressions, and "prophetic words" amongst us. A little humour helps, and sometimes it was obvious the person receiving the message was the one it was intended for, and they were challenged to be guided by it with the phrase, "That was meant for you," all within the boundary of friendly, supportive relationships.

In contrast, there have been times in my experience when God has given unpremeditated direct utterance to just the right person at just the right moment for just the right audience, whether one or more, so that a serious issue can be addressed.

As you say, there is a lot of spiritual warfare involved, which is why prophets are often not well received in their own country and house due to familiarity, resentments, alliances and rivalries etc.

Mat 13:53-58 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these parables, that He departed from there. (54) When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, "Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? (55) Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? (56) And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?" (57) So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house." (58) Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
 
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I had looked it up/read it. :D just wasn't sure if that is what he means. Basically, dreams are my friends? Because right now it is a love/hate thing. More like ocd leave me alone annoyance. LOL

LoL!
Like one time I had a dream where there were two buffet lines. The short line had a register while the longer line didn't have a register at the end. There was that protection glass in between me and the food. There was also this man with dark black curls and a long brown trench coat next to me. We were talking, I can't remember about what, but he had his plate piled really high with food. Me, I had a normal sized portion of food, but I really wanted what he had on his plate. I just didn't know how to get it all. An old woman was serving the food smiling. So then the man turned and went to the short line to check out with this old man at the register. I was still on the long line with my plate, because I wasn't done.

Hidden interpreted this for me (and if I don't get this completely right what you said, let me know @HiddeninHim it was a long while back).


Oh yeah, I remember this one! The trench coat guy was me, actually, because I was "next to you" at that time when we were working together quite a bit. I've had dreams myself where I appeared in one, like at a beach restaurant of all places. Felt really awkward, like looking down and thinking, "What in the world am I doing in this awful thing?" but it was representative of a spiritual mantle I wear, because of a book I own in my library about Smith Wigglesworth who was pictured as wearing the exact same thing.

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But yes. The "food" being represented is spiritual food, and in context refers to what we each would receive comparatively through the dreams God was giving you. I've had more experience with interpretation and even when I've been off on something I usually end up revisited a dream later and realize where I made a mistake. But just like your pastor said, it's an encouragement to you and for you. The long line/ short line refers to time, and is also accurate, because the more experienced you get the less time it will take you to receive from God. So be patient, because you
are receiving, and the basic principle to keep in mind is this: Christians are compared to fish for a good reason. They are one of the only species on earth who can grow as big as they want to, with their size limitations depending only on how much "food" they can manage to "eat."

So keep on eating, and keep on dreaming! Because it's not always just for you. For a great big Fatty like me, it's kinda like the dinner bell ringing for supper time! Lol.

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