Eternal Security

[HisLife]

and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.

Jesus became a Man

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Cant just make things up about Jesus

 

[Cooper]

Jesus became a Man

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Cant just make things up about Jesus

In whom no sin was found.
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[HisLife]

In whom no sin was found.

That's how he defeated Death and Rose from the Grave But your comment "and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly", How did Jesus Redeem man if he didn't do earthly things

 

[Cooper]

That's how he defeated Death and Rose from the Grave But your comment "and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly", How did Jesus Redeem man if he didn't do earthly things

By paying the penalty for our sins.
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[HisLife]

By paying the penalty for our sins.

Did he go up on the cross as a Man?

 

[Cooper]

Did he go up on the cross as a Man?

As the perfect man.

 

[HisLife]

As the perfect man.

Man Is on Earth and Jesus spoke of Earthly things, So why do you think "everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.

You would have to ignore his whole ministry

 

[Cooper]

Man Is on Earth and Jesus spoke of Earthly things, So why do you think "everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.

You would have to ignore his whole ministry

It takes someone who is free of Covid to heal the sick.
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[HisLife]

It takes someone who is free of Covid to heal the sick.
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You need help

 

[Cooper]

You need help

Thank you.
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[HisLife]

everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

 

[Cooper]

John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

Everything Jesus said and did had a spiritual application that leads the listener heavenward.

Some people like Nicodemus just don't get it, or they simply don't want to know.
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[Eternally Grateful]

Everything Jesus said and did had a spiritual application that leads the listener heavenward.

Some people like Nicodemus just don't get it, or they simply don't want to know.
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I believe Nicodemus did get it. Maybe not then. But we see him in the end..

 

[Cooper]

I believe Nicodemus did get it. Maybe not then. But we see him in the end..

I'm sure Nicodemus did get it, but what was the rider I added at the end?
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[Eternally Grateful]

I'm sure Nicodemus did get it, but what was the rider I added at the end?
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again, if we look at what Nicodemus did at the end. I believe he came to faith. which means he did get it.

 

[Taken]

OK. So Jesus is the second Adam, and also the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, so do you think one is a reference to his spiritual pre-existence before his birth on earth? In other words, who was the first Adam?

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(1Co 15:45-46 KJV)

15:48 Of the two men mentioned in verse 45, Jesus was the second. He existed from all eternity, but as Man, he came after Adam. He came from heaven, and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.
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It hangs on the Balance...OF always keeping IN “understanding”...
The Difference Between...what is SPIRIT and what is CREATED and NATURAL.

Think OF the “enormous” dilemma of Teaching A “Created thing...expressly a Created thing, called a man-KIND of thing...
ALL ABOUT It’s “CREATOR” and “MAKER”...that:
...CAN NOT !!!! be SEEN, HEARD, TOUCHED, SMELLED, TASTED...

The Created man-KIND of thing....with a marvelous Created BODY of dust.
The Made man-KIND of thing...brought into a living functioning state.

And the “functioning” heart beating, blood flowing, LIFE of the Body.
And the “functioning” eyes, ears, flesh, nose, tongue....that can SEE, HEAR, TOUCH, SMELL, TASTE....“EVERYTHING BUT”...it’s creator and maker!!!

THAT ^ is a glaring and obvious DILEMMA, eh?
From the beginning OF the Creation and Making of a man-KIND of thing...
The Lord God Almighty —-> Himself the Creator and Maker...
* SOLVES the DILEMMA according TO “HIS method”,
ie. HIS “ORDER and HIS WAY”.

The ENTIRE “ORDER and WAY” of the Lord God Almighty....(From the beginning of His Creation and Making of a man-KIND of thing)....
BIT by BIT, Little by Little, His Word upon His Word, His Precepts upon His Precepts, His Commands upon His Commands, His Knowledge upon His Knowledge, His Understanding upon His Understanding....
FROM ... Little....TO .... Exponential Increase ... FOR every “procreated man-kind of thing,”....TO experience HIS OFFERING....from babe to adult...the SAME...
Bit by bit, little by little ... to exponential Increase.

HOW GOD HIMSELF “effects”, the Dilemma OF Teaching Created and Made man-kind of things...that CAN NOT, see, hear, touch, smell, taste THE Lord God Almighty.......IS revealed IN the Orally Spoken words “OF” messengers” and “servants” OF GOD Himself....AND Was “later” revealed IN the Written words of “messengers” and “servants” OF God.

The Oral and Written “words”, OF Gods “messengers” and “servants”...
HAVE...(to the advantage during THIS DAY, of OUR existence ON Earth)....
Been WRITTEN and World wide DISTRIBUTED...revealing all the Bit by Bit, little by little, Gods Word upon Word, Gods precept upon precept, Gods command upon command, Gods knowledge upon knowledge....
FOR any man, to Freely Choose, to hear, learn, trust, believe....OR NOT.

IF you notice...I DID NOT “include” Gods Understanding of His word of Knowledge.
While MEN can teach MEN, Gods WORD of knowledge, precepts, commands, etc.
* Gods UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word of Knowledge...God Himself “retains” unto Himself, THAT HE “personally” (by and through HIS POWER) IS the “giver” of His Understanding...TO individual Men.

His POWER is expressly called CHRIST.
His WORD is expressly called JESUS.
His Word, His Power, has express Authority, to GIVE men, Gods Understanding OF Gods Word.

Such “giving” is by and through, Gods own SUPERNATURAL “order and way”.
Luke Chapter 24 is an excellent lesson...Forward from Exodus, about men, who were “HEARING” the Word of God, by and through Gods “Messengers”, and inanutshell complaining, because they couldn’t SEE.
In Exodus, God called those men “stiffnecked”.
In Luke 24 Jesus reminds men they Hear and Saw Jesus, while he was WITH THEM..(Verse #44) They Heard what was and was to come...Then men appeared bewildered when it came to pass. (Christ Jesus THEN...exercised His Power, and OPENED their Understanding of Prophecy, of Scripture...according TO Gods Understanding...) (Verse #45)

Exodus ~ introduced us to men who were not satisfied with ONLY Hearing.
2 Chron 30:8 ~ reminded men (born later) to NOT BE “stiffnecked”.
The New Testament is primarily focused on a NEW Better Testament, Sent forth from God, (as God Promised) that men “COULD”, see and hear.
Isa 9:6 Foretells WHAT God shall send to man-kind.
Isa 55:11 Foretells in what manner God shall send His Servant to man-kind.
* The New Testament reveals numerous passages for man-kind to recognize, be assured, of WHO God sent to man-kind, for mankind to hear, see, trust, believe, and freely subject themselves TO...or not.
Act 7: Pretty much lambasts men WHO “remain” stiffnecked, and uncircumcised IN the HEART.

IMO, We (In this era of Time) are extremely advantaged, to be able to Hear, READ, from beginning to end, exactly Gods “Spiritual” ORDER and WAY, and expectation of any man who accepts Gods Offerings, and any man who rejects Gods Offerings.

Yep, apologies, another long post.
Glory to God,
Taken

 

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OK. So Jesus is the second Adam, and also the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, so do you think one is a reference to his spiritual pre-existence before his birth on earth? In other words, who was the first Adam?

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(1Co 15:45-46 KJV)

15:48 Of the two men mentioned in verse 45, Jesus was the second. He existed from all eternity, but as Man, he came after Adam. He came from heaven, and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.
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The First Adam, created by Him Who would be the Last Adam, or Man.

The First Man, and the Last Man.

The First Humanity, and the Last Humanity.

Levi was in the loins of Abraham when Abraham gave a tithe to Melchizedek. In Adam all died. Humanity is a single thing, a generation of people that unfolds across the ages.

The First Man died, and we are all dead. The Last Man is the Lord of Heaven and cannot die, He remains our intercessory High Priest forever by reason of an endless life.

We've been transfered from darkness to His kingdom, from death into life. From the First Humanity to the Last Humanity, from Adam to Christ.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

Then how in the world could all that ever be turned back? And why would it be? That makes zero sense to me. And especially considering the certainty of these passages. Reborn is forever.

Much love!

I believe it HANGS on...NOT understanding a DIFFERENCE between:
“being enlightened” and “being converted”.

The disciples are a most EXCELLENT “example” of the difference.
( The disciples experienced the very same thing Every man experiences ...
From being totally IGNORANT of knowledge Of “something”.
To going through the phase of “hearing and learning About “something”.
To DECIDING to commit to Believing “the knowledge” About “something”,
OR DECIDING to Reject to Believing “the Knowledge” About “something.

No one can MAKE a DECISION, to BELIEVE “something” they have not “yet” heard “anything” about the “something”.

In this case....the “something”....
IS the Lord God Almighty, His Spirit, His Word Jesus, His Power Christ, His Wisdom Christ, His Seed Christ....His Offerings.

* When ANY man....Hears, Listens, or Reads (as we are so advantaged in these days)...THAT MAN...IS BEING ENLIGHTENED TO:
The Lord God Almighty AND His Offerings.

* FOR Any man...simply Hearing, Listening, Reading, Learning ABOUT the Lord God Almighty AND His Offerings.....
* THAT man....IS Blessed BY the Lord God Almighty....WITH “measures” OF HIS GIFT OF FAITH.

A Gift, that will continue to be “increased”.....IF the man Continues hearing, etc. A Gift, that will STOP being given, IF the man STOPS, hearing, etc.

It is CLEAR, everything HANGS ON WHAT the individual man, FREELY chooses to DO....Hear, receive Faith in measures....Stop, hearing, stop receiving Faith in measures.
WE...read of Jesus’ OWN “Earthly men” chosen disciples....Hear, believe, Hear, doubt, Hear, whisper among themselves, Hear, believe, deny, Hear, believe, Hear, doubt......
WE...read of the same “disciples” BEING IN FEAR, of what “other men” would think, do....IF the disciples might be discovered....Hearing, Believing, Jesus!

THOSE DISCIPLES....WERE NOT COMMITTED.
THOSE DISCIPLES....WAVERED.
THOSE DISCIPLES....EXPOSED THEIR OWN FEAR OF WHAT OTHERS WOULD THINK OR DO TO “THEM”, “IF” they admitted knowing, believing, JESUS!

THAT “IS” no different than what ANY OTHER MAN typically experiences!

THE HIGHLIGHT IS...UNDERSTANDING...
....Those Disciples WERE acting under THEIR OWN POWER, WILL, influence of Fear of others.
....HOWEVER....those SAME DISCIPLES....DID NOT STOP “HEARING” Jesus.
* Being ENLIGHTENED, wondering, wavering, receiving the Blessing of Gods Gift of Faith, in measurements.......DOES NOT MEAN...Having Received Gods Gift of Forgiveness, of Salvation (saved soul), of Quickening (born again spirit)....
* Scripture expressly teaches, being Enlightened, receiving Gods Gift of Faith, IS Necessary....to move ON to receiving Salvation & Quickening....YET it is NOT the “means” (WAY) FOR expressly receiving Salvation & Quickening.
* Scripture expressly teaches, being Enlightened, receiving Gods measured Gift of Faith...........IS A SAMPLE... expressly A TASTE, for a man to Experience Gods Blessing and Gift.........BEFORE the man MAKES a COMMITMENT

Some men, corruptly Teach...Enlightenment, receiving Gods Blessing and Measure of His Gift of FAITH.........IS a Commitment, IS receiving Salvation, IS being Quickened....(ie Converted).....AND THEN some men claim;
at “any” time that same “converted” man....CAN become “unsaved”, “unquickened”, ie UN-Converted.

Scripture TEACHES NO SUCH THING!
Scripture WARNS, men who ARE, who HAVE.... ”TASTED” ...and “experienced” Gods Blessing and measured Gift of FAITH....AND “REJECTED” THAT Blessing and Gift.....ARE IN GRAVE DANGER!

Conversion....and all it encompasses....IS NOT ABOUT “TASTING”....but “EXPRESSLY” about “EATING”. Taking with IN the man, THE WHOLE of Gods Word, Wisdom, Offerings, Spirit.

People who teach, a man CAN BECOME “CONVERTED IN CHRIST”....and then become “UN-Converted”....OR BE....sort of Converted....teach their own understanding and Preach their own gospel, without the support or verification of Gods Word....and it occurs regularly on this forum and in the world.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[dad]

OK. So Jesus is the second Adam, and also the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, so do you think one is a reference to his spiritual pre-existence before his birth on earth? In other words, who was the first Adam?

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
(1Co 15:45-46 KJV)

15:48 Of the two men mentioned in verse 45, Jesus was the second. He existed from all eternity, but as Man, he came after Adam. He came from heaven, and everything He did and said was heavenly and spiritual rather than earthly.
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Well Jesus was before the world or creation. So He is the Alpha. I do not see that meaning that He was His created first man.

 

[HisLife]

Everything Jesus said and did had a spiritual application that leads the listener heavenward.

Some people like Nicodemus just don't get it, or they simply don't want to know.
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That's not the point, But interesting response, You said Jesus didn't say earthy things, I showed you he did, But you don't believe it yet so how So How Can you learn of spiritual things?