The Trinity

[Wrangler]

What do you suppose it is about Jesus' death that allows for life for the sinner?

The proof is not in his death but in his resurrection that allows for the life of the sinner.

But I think your question is about the sacrifice not the proof. The sacrifice goes back to the OT. Blood/Death is always the price for sin. Before Christ, there was continual sacrifice by animals. But it is not merely about animal v human sacrifice; it is about the Old Covenant giving way to the New Covenant.

Jesus did not sacrifice himself to die and that is the end of the story. He came so that his resurrection is the proof that allows for the life for the sinner. Follow him to death + everlasting life upon resurrection. This is the sacred link. As far as the man sacrificed, that was simply God's choice to make the path for us.

 

[marks]

The proof is not in his death but in his resurrection that allows for the life of the sinner.

But I think your question is about the sacrifice not the proof. The sacrifice goes back to the OT. Blood/Death is always the price for sin. Before Christ, there was continual sacrifice by animals. But it is not merely about animal v human sacrifice; it is about the Old Covenant giving way to the New Covenant.

Jesus did not sacrifice himself to die and that is the end of the story. He came so that his resurrection is the proof that allows for the life for the sinner. Follow him to death + everlasting life upon resurrection. This is the sacred link. As far as the man sacrificed, that was simply God's choice to make the path for us.

My question is about process. What was it about Jesus and His death that gives us life when we are immersed into Him?

The price for sin is fine, OK, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Jesus made reconciliation to the Father for us, so we can now receive that reconciliation, and be at peace with God.

Let me go back a step. Jesus taught that all sins would be forgiven men. John the Baptist introduced Jesus as "the Lamb of God Who carries away the sin of the world". But being forgiven of sin isn't enough, Jesus also said, You must be born again. Paul taught about that as being immersed into Jesus so that we share His life.

If Jesus were a man, we are sharing another man's life. But Adamic Humanity is dead and condemned. That's why you must be born again. Being joined to someone Who is much more than a man lifts us out of the dead humanity we began in, and transfers us into life. We've passed from death into life. Not just in some loose jargon sense, but really.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

My question is about process. What was it about Jesus and His death that gives us life when we are immersed into Him?

Friend, I leave process to God. My job is obedience. I walk in faith, not in claiming to know "process."

 

[marks]

Friend, I leave process to God. My job is obedience. I walk in faith, not in claiming to know "process."

How can you be born again being immersed into another man born from Adam? You just end up where you started. I'll leave it with that.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

My point very simply is that I do not pretend to understand the whole of what is written in the scriptures. Many other people like me do not. Are we lost because we do not? Will God give each of us a theology test to determine our suitability to be always with Him?

I believe He is more concerned with the direction and love of our hearts than the knowledge in our heads.

I gotta' stop right there.

You are using the word 'knowledge' as if it were a bad thing! You don't think The Holy Spirit imparts knowledge in understanding The Word of God?

And the idea of how you're throwing that knowledge idea you have, is to insinuate that I'm just speaking God's Word like a book reading, with no real understanding.

The reality more likely is, that YOU have a problem understanding the simplicity that is God's written Word, so you tend to 'spiritualize' His Word, even sections that are meant to be understood literally. But you definitely are not alone in that, for many brethren fall into that trap, not knowing whether a Scripture is to be taken literally, or symbolically, or just as some made up story.

 

[Wrangler]

How can you be born again being immersed into another man born from Adam? You just end up where you started. I'll leave it with that.

Much love!

It’s not the man Jesus Spirit but the Spirit of God that we are reborn.

 

[Davy]

It’s not the man Jesus Spirit but the Spirit of God that we are reborn.

Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God.

Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh, Immanuel.

 

[marks]

It’s not the man Jesus Spirit but the Spirit of God that we are reborn.

Romans 8:9 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Wrangler,
You write the above because you do not accept the Godhead/Trinity.

It would be nice if you removed the word CHRISTIAN below your avatar.
Christianity means SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

And in that specificity is the doctrine that there is ONE GOD....
with 3 Persons residing in that one God that He has deemed to be revealed to us.

The 2nd Person of the Trinity is THE SON.
THE SON IS GOD.
We say the 2nd Person at times because when THE SON was on earth doing what THE FATHER sent Him to do...
the 2nd Person was still residing within God.

If you do not believe the above,,,then you are NOT a Christian person.
YOU do not get to define Christianity.
Those with bigger brains than ours have already done that.
Those that knew the Apostles have already done that.

Christians will NOT accept a redefinition of their faith.

Just remember , a broken clock is still right twice a day . NEVER FOLLOW the catholic church . EVEN if it had this right

 

[amigo de christo]

Romans 8:9 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Much love!

LETS FINISH THAT VERSE . IF any man HAVE THE SPIRIT , TRULY HAS the SPIRIT then the body is dead because of sin .
JESUS aint a license to sin but rather has come to set us free from sin . GOD desired something .
Something that the flesh could never give , but the SPIRIT can . TO WORSHIP HIM . And sin aint worship unto GOD
its DISOBEDIANCE UNTO GOD . WE bess remember this well . SO , i am gonna ask us all a question .
DO WE HAVE THE SPIRIT . WELL the FRUITS ARE PROOF . the FRUIT OF THE WICKED IS TO SIN
the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT , WELL that is in all righteousness , truth and holiness , PROVING what is ACCEPTABLE ................
Now get ready cause i didnt finish that , what is acceptable , acceptable to WHOM . TO GOD .
AND SIN AINT .

 

[Davy]

Just remember , a broken clock is still right twice a day . NEVER FOLLOW the catholic church . EVEN if it had this right

Now that's a silly statement, simply because the Catholic Church claims to believe on our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Like Apostle Paul said in Romans, just because some refused to believe and fell away couldn't make The Word of God of none effect.

 

[amadeus]

I gotta' stop right there.

You are using the word 'knowledge' as if it were a bad thing! You don't think The Holy Spirit imparts knowledge in understanding The Word of God?

And the idea of how you're throwing that knowledge idea you have, is to insinuate that I'm just speaking God's Word like a book reading, with no real understanding.

The reality more likely is, that YOU have a problem understanding the simplicity that is God's written Word, so you tend to 'spiritualize' His Word, even sections that are meant to be understood literally. But you definitely are not alone in that, for many brethren fall into that trap, not knowing whether a Scripture is to be taken literally, or symbolically, or just as some made up story.

Well, have a good day and be blessed!

 

[amigo de christo]

Now that's a silly statement, simply because the Catholic Church claims to believe on our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ. Like Apostle Paul said in Romans, just because some refused to believe and fell away couldn't make The Word of God of none effect.

Explain this , cause you must not have truly understood what i meant .
What i meant was , JUST cause ROME has this right , DONT MEAN WE FOLLOW ROME . THEY FALSE . THEY FALSE
and you better know that . YET even they had a few things right .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well, have a good day and be blessed!

I have no idea what davy believes . But if he or anyone else preaches another jesus or another gospel
i wont be bidding them God speed .

 

[Davy]

Explain this , cause you must not have truly understood what i meant .
What i meant was , JUST cause ROME has this right , DONT MEAN WE FOLLOW ROME . THEY FALSE . THEY FALSE
and you better know that . YET even they had a few things right .

OK, "even if it had this right", Got it.

 

[amigo de christo]

OK, "even if it had this right", Got it.

exactly .

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God.

Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh, Immanuel.

Are all people named Immanuel God? If not, why not?

 

[Wrangler]

Romans 8:9 KJV
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Much love!

See how your own verse refers to the Spirit of God?

 

[marks]

See how your own verse refers to the Spirit of God?

Yes I do, and it also says that if we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of His.

Much love!

 

[Davy]

Are all people named Immanuel God? If not, why not?

Jesus also said...

John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.
KJV