If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, that's right, you pretend the 70 weeks didn't end, when GOD doesn't Extend Prophecy Times.

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

the things in bold has not yet happened. So the 70 weeks CAN"T have been fulfilled

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Not sure what this means

Abraham was promised his descendants would receive the land he physically walked on.

But abraham looked to the land he would see at the end of time.

these are two different places. All people are promised the second, eternal abode in heaven who come to faith of any nation (in you shall all the nations of the earth be blessed) through Christ.

The land Abraham walked on was promised only to a selct group of people through only one of abrahams offspring (Isaac) and through one of Isaacs sons (Jacob) and all 12 of Jacob's sons and their offspring as a gift forever. Forever is still going today. Gods gift is irrevocable. so his promise still stands.

Jews got physical land until they ruined their conditional Covenant. The physical land is gone now ...so are you blind to 70 A.D.? Abraham's Land is Infinite.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

the things in bold has not yet happened. So the 70 weeks CAN"T have been fulfilled

Oh, JESUS didn't end sins? WHAT???

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jews got physical land until they ruined their conditional Covenant. The physical land is gone now ...so are you blind to 70 A.D.? Abraham's Land is Infinite.

God told them FOREVER

He did not say UNTIL some conditional covenant.

Why would God say forever if he did not mean it?

All the conditional covenant did was try to help lead them to Christ (Gal 3) and tell them what they would have to do to live in the land that was there, and the punishment they would receive if they disobeyed. (lev 26) and if they were punished, what they had to do to get it back (again lev 26) it did not annul the eternal non conditional covenant made between God and Abraham Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

who says Israel was going back to law to be saved?

Do you want a rebuilt Temple or not?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

satan is well aware that Jews have been Judged ...so this is his way of sneaking into Christianity. he's got Christians bowing to Jews.

You are clearly an anti-semite.
Beware!
The LORD said,
“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Genesis 12:3

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh, JESUS didn't end sins? WHAT???

Is Israel still in sin?

Yeah.

That is what Daniel was praying about in Daniel 9, and that is the context you must use to determine what is meant

 

[pittsburghjoe]

God told them FOREVER

He did not say UNTIL some conditional covenant.

Why would God say forever if he did not mean it?

All the conditional covenant did was try to help lead them to Christ (Gal 3) and tell them what they would have to do to live in the land that was there, and the punishment they would receive if they disobeyed. (lev 26) and if they were punished, what they had to do to get it back (again lev 26) it did not annul the eternal non conditional covenant made between God and Abraham Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons.

So, yes, you are blind to physical land that wasn't forever. It was obviously about Spiritual Land.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You are clearly an anti-semite.
Beware!
The LORD said,
“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Genesis 12:3

Abraham wasn't a Jew.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Is Israel still in sin?

Yeah.

That is what Daniel was praying about in Daniel 9, and that is the context you must use to determine what is meant

What Israel? The fake one we have now?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Revelation 20, with no human additives.

I've been smoking that for 30 years ... get's me elated and keeps me hopeful.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

satan deceived the nations with a nation ...Israel.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9 KJV https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.2.9.KJV

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Revelation 3:9 KJV https://bible.com/bible/1/rev.3.9.KJV

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Abraham wasn't a Jew.

The chosen nation began with HIS SEED. In essence, He was the first Jew.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The chosen nation began with HIS SEED. In essence, He was the first Jew.

Yes, i understand how you are deceived.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

"In Matthew 23:37-39, we find Jesus' lament over Jerusalem. In part He says: “How often have I desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing.” (Mat. 23:37b)"

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) ...
and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9 KJV

Who is the first part of the berse speaking to? Smyrna, the faithful uet persecuted church. He is saying they are rich in spirit.
Then the second part of thw verse shifts to those who are persecuting them ( in addition to the Romans). Like the Pharisees who sentenced Jesus. They were the synagogue of Satan. Further on in verses 12 & 13 ut tells us where Satan's throne was/is, Pergamum. There is actually a replica of the throne of Pergamum. AND as a matter of fact, Obama constructed a likeness to this Altar at is Democratic National Convention in 2008 where he gave his acceptance speech.
Google Image Result for https://cdn.britannica.com/89/125189-050-64F8ED3F/Barack-Obama-nomination-Democratic-National-Convention-Invesco-August-28-2008.jpg

See the resemblance?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Who is the first part of the berse speaking to? Smyrna, the faithful uet persecuted church. He is saying they are rich in spirit.
Then the second part of thw verse shifts to those who are persecuting them ( in addition to the Romans). Like the Pharisees who sentenced Jesus. They were the synagogue of Satan. Further on in verses 12 & 13 ut tells us where Satan's throne was/is, Pergamum. There is actually a replica of the throne of Pergamum. AND as a matter of fact, Obama constructed a likeness to this Altar at is Democratic National Convention in 2008 where he gave his acceptance speech.
Google Image Result for https://cdn.britannica.com/89/125189-050-64F8ED3F/Barack-Obama-nomination-Democratic-National-Convention-Invesco-August-28-2008.jpg

See the resemblance?


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pharisees are what Judaism is based off of today.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you want a rebuilt Temple or not?

it does not matter what I want. it matters what God said does it not?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Let's get political, just for a moment. Are most Democrats anti-Semitic? Obama and Biden are ... Pelosi, Schumer, Hillary.
Is it fair to generalize and say these people and those who follow and support these people are also socialist, in agreement with the New World Order, the Global Warming agenda, the Greay Reset, BLM, Antifa, open borders and abortion?
There is a stark divide in our country and the world.
These fueled ideologies are the cause of our problems today.
I find in the Christian forums? that the one's whom I disagree most with are in this camp, the liberal Democrats.
I could be wrong but let me just ask Pittsburghjoe, Apak, Davy, Reggie: Are y'all Democrats?
I am also curious if the Non-Trinitarians and Amillennialists are Dems as well?
Not trying to derail thread, just a yes or no answer would be fine. I just see so much division out there that seems to also affect the Christians as well.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So, yes, you are blind to physical land that wasn't forever. It was obviously about Spiritual Land.

I am not the one blind my friend.

both were promised.

God promised all nations that through christ the spiritual will come, and he promised one family of people (a nation) physical land. Whether you agree with that or not my problem.

I have shown the actual passages to you. where physical land was promised. If you can't accept that. then there is really nothing more that can be said