Should Christians Always Be Healed?
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Absolutely correct!
Horray!!! Finally in agreement! LoL. Something we never take for granted on the forums.
I'll wait till the link gets on YouTube I guess. It was a great healing message on the ten lepers tonight.
Absolutely correct!
Horray!!! Finally in agreement! LoL. Something we never take for granted on the forums.
Yay!!!! So next question. Lord's prayer. Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Should all Christians be healed. Yes. The times we are judged/disciplined is because we are in sin. It is never God to blame. This is why I don't say God wills sickness. His will/ultimate goal is for healing/restoration. Correction is not part of His plan. We created that part of it. God has to do it so us sheep won't be condemned. Correct?
Yes, only don't divert the question again.
Your pastor opens with, "It is always God's will to heal." This is where the contention comes in. Well now this gets into the question of did God know we would sin. If He knew we would sin, then He knew He would have to correct us, and it was thus part of His will that we be concluded in sin that He might redeem us all by grace.
But that's getting very deep, man, and I'm not sure I wanna get that heavy right now... Feel me?
VictoryinJesus
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To be honest I haven’t read the entire thread yet. Touching on what you said here “but I just couldn’t speak with much more authority on it than that…”
usually in discussions concerning physical healings that “authority to speak” with “power” comes up immediately. “faith” with “authority”. yea?
If Faith comes with the authority (power) over physical healings.
Then does Faith come with authority (power) over spiritual healings? If there is authority through faith over physical healing, then what of power through faith over spiritual healings?For instance “the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick. James 5:15, next verse “pray for one another so that you may be healed.”
realize there are different definitions for what it means to be healed. I’ve mentioned my mother is ninety. I’m way past Faith she will be healed physically, but spiritually I still Hope for.
Yes, only don't divert the question again.
Well now this gets into the question of did God know we would sin. If He knew we would sin, then He knew He would have to correct us, and it was thus part of His will that we be concluded in sin that He might redeem us all by grace.
But that's getting very deep, man, and I'm not sure I wanna get that heavy right now... Feel me?
So what is the actual question? Can you just type that out? I'm still stuck on will.
God foreknew Hell too, but that is not God's will. People send themselves to Hell. God may have foreknew He would need to correct people, but people do the things for correction. This is my mindset. I believe correction and God's will are two separate things that may go hand in hand. I would just be very careful saying it was God's will for someone to be made sick and die.
Ok, now this is correct. I believe He full well knew we would sin and paved the way for redemption ahead of time, because scripture says Christ was slain from the foundation of the world. But no, He did not intend that any go to Hell. It says, "He desires all men to be saved," which means He didn't want anyone being damned.
Well, I'm simply saying that sickness and death can be included in God's judgments, as the list of passages I cited bears out I believe. I'm not saying this is something one should say flippantly about individuals, but that it is a conclusion one can arrive at in general, based upon scripture.
Is it always God's will that we be healed? i.e. that there is never a time when He wants us experiencing judgment, whether for our good or otherwise.
DuckieLady
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So these are the questions right from post 159, right?
Now, the question becomes this: If it is always God's will to heal, what was He doing here? If you take the position that it is always His desire to heal and never to bring judgment through sickness and death, for starters there are several passages that contradict this argument, but the key question is, how can He ever discipline His people?
God disciplines His people because He has too. But that is because of our will. He has to correct us so we will not be condemned with the world.
Now, the question becomes this: If it is always God's will to heal, what was He doing here? If you take the position that it is always His desire to heal and never to bring judgment through sickness and death, for starters there are several passages that contradict this argument, but the key question is, how can He ever discipline His people?
Now, the question becomes this: If it is always God's will to heal, what was He doing here? If you take the position that it is always His desire to heal and never to bring judgment through sickness and death, for starters there are several passages that contradict this argument, but the key question is, how can He ever discipline His people?
God disciplines His people because He has too. But that is because of our will. He has to correct us so we will not be condemned with the world.
Now, the question becomes this: If it is always God's will to heal, what was He doing here? If you take the position that it is always His desire to heal and never to bring judgment through sickness and death, for starters there are several passages that contradict this argument, but the key question is, how can He ever discipline His people?
Btw, sorry if Post #365 was a little too goofball. You know me; I'll cut up at the drop of a hat if I can. Anything to keep things light.
Forums are usually too serious for me to take for long stretches of time without throwing at least a little comedy relief into it wherever possible.
Waiting on him
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1 Timothy 5:23 KJV
[23] Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Seems Brother Timothy was in need of some healing. Overseer of one of the first century churches yet not healed.. Paul doesn’t even demand God to heal him, but instead says drink some wine.
[23] Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Seems Brother Timothy was in need of some healing. Overseer of one of the first century churches yet not healed.. Paul doesn’t even demand God to heal him, but instead says drink some wine.
Well now you are driving on the question of creation again, and if God ever put it into His design that we would sin, and knew we would need correction.
I take the view that He did, but what do you think about that, and why?
DuckieLady
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Many times with illness God outright gave me a remedy for myself or someone else.
Why not just heal instead of that? My guess is Romans 8:28 and God wants us to use common sense and be logical.
Sometimes, we have this thing he gave us to fix this thing. So we can give thanks for it and use it.
That's part of His wisdom.
atpollard
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Should Christians Always Be Healed?
Yes. If you have to choose between “being healed” and “not being healed”, Christians should choose to be healed. For example, if you break your leg and an ambulance comes to take you to a hospital to set the broken bone, a Christian should choose to have the bone set rather than refusing treatment and just dragging the broken leg along behind them.
That is my opinion.
Yes. If you have to choose between “being healed” and “not being healed”, Christians should choose to be healed. For example, if you break your leg and an ambulance comes to take you to a hospital to set the broken bone, a Christian should choose to have the bone set rather than refusing treatment and just dragging the broken leg along behind them.
That is my opinion.
Very interesting observation. I know that Smith Wigglesworth, a very powerful evangelist in the early 20th century, struggled with painful kidney stones, and in spite of healing countless people and raising many from the dead could not get healing for himself (you may not believe this, but his miracles are widely known, and numerous first-hand testimonies have been written about him and the way he lived his life).
My personal opinion on this is that the kidney stones were there because Wigglesworth by his own admission had a white-hot temper, and said he sometimes turned white as a sheet he was so angry. I think they may have been there as a mild form of judgment from God, that he not overdo it in his impatience with others. People with extraordinary faith and power tend to be impatient with others who do not live up to the same expectations as they have for themselves.
As for Timothy, a little stomach trouble doesn't sound all that bad, but things like chronic anxiety and fear can also cause health problems, and someone was showing me just the other day how it's pretty clear from scripture that Timothy walked in fear of what others might think of him, being much younger than many of the men he was given charge over in the Lord.
Lambano
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Regarding the problem of evil and the problem of pain, the only thing I can come up with is that for whatever it is that God plans for us to become, it is necessary for us to know Good and Evil. I think I can live with that.
Yes. If you have to choose between “being healed” and “not being healed”, Christians should choose to be healed. For example, if you break your leg and an ambulance comes to take you to a hospital to set the broken bone, a Christian should choose to have the bone set rather than refusing treatment and just dragging the broken leg along behind them.
That is my opinion.
That's a good opinion.
As I pointed out, the New Testament teaching regarding slavery was, "If you can have your freedom, rather use it," and the same thing applies here I believe.
I would say yes. But to the i.e., I would say if we are not walking in His good, pleasing, and perfect will as in Romans 12:1-3, that is not going to happen. It hurts God, but He will make us experience judgement in order to bring about repentance.
To this day I still struggle with fully understanding the phrase "that your eyes may be opened, and you may know good and evil." Was it talking about knowing spiritual evil? I suppose they found put about the existence of spiritual evil, yes. But did it mean they would suddenly know what it was like to experience both good and evil in this life? (i.e. pain, and sweat, and aging, and dying). Possibly.
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