Israel and prophecy

[pittsburghjoe]

Galatians 6:15-16
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

"the Israel of God" is the Spiritual Descendants of Abraham. They became The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST when JESUS Fulfilled The OT.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

So how did the Jews Judgment go that lived before 70 A.D.? They had a Day of Atonement until 70 A.D., then JESUS became that Atonement for everyday and everyone. The original Atonement was still about JESUS, so i think there were many Saved. The question is what are Jews claiming today?

i think there are two “tracks” …one before JESUS and one after. There has to be some kind of difference before and after 70 A.D.


GOD obviously didn't Promise "physical" land forever ...so was it land of Heaven ...SALVATION?


The Kingdom Promises did become real through CHRIST, but why even tell Jews about it unless some would get to participate?


i find it hard to believe that the Jew thing was just to get GOD The Father's Son Born. Why would GOD set all these rules and then say "well, too bad, you lived before The MESSIAH got here."


We know for a fact that a handful of Jews were Saved ...but are we saying that was all that was Saved?


Matthew 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

 

[Davy]

Also @Davy This was your response to my op. Can you resolve how you claim here that all believers inherit the promises, ie, the church. And then just spend the rest of your posts showing how the nation of Israel are the ones who will recieve those promises?

A Lesson For You:

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

That means, that those who believe on Jesus Christ are those "which are of faith" that Paul speaks of, and that... is why they are the same as the children of Abraham. It is because the Promise by Faith was always... 1st... before the giving of the law.

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Paul is revealing that Faith on The Gospel of Jesus Christ was one of the Promises God gave to Abraham in his day. At the end of John 8, Lord Jesus even showed the unbelieving Jews that Abraham saw His day, and Abraham rejoiced. Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ was always 1st a Promise by Faith, even before the law.

Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

The giving of the law 430 years later did not disannul the Promise by Faith which God gave to Abraham first. Thus Abraham's INHERITANCE promised him is NOT by the law, but by Promise. Abraham believed God, and his Faith was counted ad righteousness. This is the SAME Promise by Faith all believers on Jesus Christ are under, regardless of birth or nationality.

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

ALL Christians... inherit with... faithful Abraham.

(But the orthodox Jew refuses to believe The New Testament Scriptures. So mark those here brethren.)

 

[Davy]

one of the promises of abraham given also to Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons was land in the middle east. Peace and prosperity while living in that land.
Did Paul say we inherited that also? and if so. Why are we not there now?

Ezekiel 44 reveals during Christ's future Millennium, with a new sanctuary there, only the Zadok (The Just) will be allowed to approach Christ at His table. The Levites who went astray when Israel went astray will not be allowed then to approach Him.

When Lord Jesus foretold of those at His supper after His return, it was only about those of Faith, and He foretold how the children of the kingdom who were bid to come and refused, will not be seated there, but instead those strangers on the roads and by ways would instead be invited in.

How is it that you have not understood this is about believers of all nations?

Luke 14:16-24
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
KJV


Matt 22:3-13
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

The "outer darkness" will be the abode of the wicked and unbelieving in darkness outside the gates of the holy city (Revelation 22:14-15).

 

[Davy]

My context was the land promise

You are twisting my words. And trying to make it sound like I have said something I never said. In fact I said plainly, all believers will receive the inheritance which comes with the promise in you shall ALL NATIONS be blessed. These promises include every spiritual blessing under heaven.

What they do not receive is the one promise that was ONLY given to Isreal.

But again, that is not the topic of this thread.



The topic of this thread is about how prophesy and the nation of Israel being restored is used by God to prove to ALL THE NATIONS that God is the one true God.

Now if you are willing to stop twisting my words. And speak to the op. Can we please move forward?

Nah, you're just trying to affirm that God's future restoration of Israel ONLY involves the flesh seed of Israel, but that is not what God's prophets showed...

Isa 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

That actually reveals what Keraz has been saying, that Christ's Church actually represents God's Israel today, and in the future.

Today in the nation state of Israel, the Jews there represent ONLY the old "house of Judah", the southern "kingdom of Judah" of 1 Kings 11 forward. That is where the title of Jew started (according to the Jewish historian Josephus). It applies only to that southern kingdom made up of only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that went south who refused king Jeroboam's gold calf idols in the north. Yet the majority of the ten tribes remained in the northern "kingdom of Israel", or HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

After the 1 Kings 11 split, ONLY the northern "kingdom of Israel" was known as Israel. The southern kingdom of Jews was known as Judah, or "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah". It's impossible for anyone to miss this that has actually studied... the Old Testament history.

Ezekiel was sent to be a prophet to the "house of Israel" mainly, as this God said to him. That did not mean all Israel, it meant only the ten northern tribes that were already captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes. They were already there in Assyria prior to Judah's later 70 years captivity to Babylon. The ten tribes were just a little bit further north.

The ten northern tribes of Israel never returned to the holy land as a people. Even today, those of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi make up the small remnant of true Israelites in today's nation state of Israel. The majority of the rest there are foreigner converts to Judaism.

God's Birthright to Abraham wound up upon Ephraim in final, where it is still supposed to be today. And per the prophecy Jacob gave to Ephraim, his seed was to become "a multitude of nations". How does this relate to your subject?

Simple, God scattered the majority of the seed of Israel among the Gentiles like He said He would do if they fell away. Both the majority of the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) have been scattered among the Gentiles. But the multiple nation prophecy was to Ephraim only. And that multiple nation prophecy has been fulfilled through the western Christian nations of history. Not in the nation state of Israel, but in the Christian west.

This is why there was a European connection with Apostle Paul's ministry of The Gospel.

Thus there are actually TWO ISRAELS today per Bible prophecy.

1. The "house of Israel" majority who were mainly scattered to the west after they migrated from Assyria into Asia Minor and Europe, creating the "multitude of nations" in the West, and being the lost sheep of the "house of Israel" that The Gospel was sent to after Christ was rejected in Jerusalem. That is Christ's Church, and represents God's true idea of His Israel, even though it includes spiritual Israelites of the Gentiles who believe on Jesus. This is the Ezekiel 38 Israel that is living without walls in the last days when the Gog-Magog armies will come up against her out of the north.

2. The nation state in the holy land today, called Israel, actually represents the small remnant of Jews that returned of the "house of Judah", the southern tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes. Jerusalem/Judea has always been the abode of Judah and the house of David. These also the northern armies will come up against on the last day of this world.

Isa 11:12-13
12 And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
KJV

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A Lesson For You:

Gal 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, "In thee shall all nations be blessed."
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
KJV

That means, that those who believe on Jesus Christ are those "which are of faith" that Paul speaks of, and that... is why they are the same as the children of Abraham. It is because the Promise by Faith was always... 1st... before the giving of the law.

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV

Paul is revealing that Faith on The Gospel of Jesus Christ was one of the Promises God gave to Abraham in his day. At the end of John 8, Lord Jesus even showed the unbelieving Jews that Abraham saw His day, and Abraham rejoiced. Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ was always 1st a Promise by Faith, even before the law.

Gal 3:16-18
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
KJV

The giving of the law 430 years later did not disannul the Promise by Faith which God gave to Abraham first. Thus Abraham's INHERITANCE promised him is NOT by the law, but by Promise. Abraham believed God, and his Faith was counted ad righteousness. This is the SAME Promise by Faith all believers on Jesus Christ are under, regardless of birth or nationality.

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

ALL Christians... inherit with... faithful Abraham.

(But the orthodox Jew refuses to believe The New Testament Scriptures. So mark those here brethren.)

Lesson for me?

You did not show where ANYONE in the church inherits the specific land promise ONLY given to Abraham’s offspring, Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons and off of their families forever

All you have shown is what I already know. That the church inherits the promise, “in you shall all the nations of the world be blessed” and all the blessings which come with being part of those nations.

Until you can show me where the “nations” (all nations) promise and the “Nation” (Israel) promise of land are the same, I can not look at it your way.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ezekiel 44 reveals during Christ's future Millennium, with a new sanctuary there, only the Zadok (The Just) will be allowed to approach Christ at His table. The Levites who went astray when Israel went astray will not be allowed then to approach Him.

When Lord Jesus foretold of those at His supper after His return, it was only about those of Faith, and He foretold how the children of the kingdom who were bid to come and refused, will not be seated there, but instead those strangers on the roads and by ways would instead be invited in.

Zadok was high priest during the reign of King david. He was faithful. Him and his sons (levites themselves) will be the only ones who allowed to enter. We also know the levites and their duties and responsibilities changed upon the return of Exile from Babylon.

I am also worried that you do not understand that the inner holy place and sanctuary is no longer needed. The high priest is Christ himself. Not a Levite in the millennial reign, And all families of the earth who do not come to Jerusalem to worship the high priest/king will be punished with no rain. So as you can see, In the millennial reign, each nation is in their own land. And being blessed according to the promise of Abraham. ALL NATIONS

Again, You are trying to get me to see ALL NATIONS as equal to ONE NATION. And I just can not do it.

How is it that you have not understood this is about believers of all nations?

Luke 14:16-24
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
KJV


Matt 22:3-13
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

The "outer darkness" will be the abode of the wicked and unbelieving in darkness outside the gates of the holy city (Revelation 22:14-15).

Rev 22 is talking about eternity future. There is a new heaven and a new earth at this time. I am not sure why you are going here. When we are talking about this current earth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nah, you're just trying to affirm that God's future restoration of Israel ONLY involves the flesh seed of Israel, but that is not what God's prophets showed...

Isa 54:2-3
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

That actually reveals what Keraz has been saying, that Christ's Church actually represents God's Israel today, and in the future.

Today in the nation state of Israel, the Jews there represent ONLY the old "house of Judah", the southern "kingdom of Judah" of 1 Kings 11 forward. That is where the title of Jew started (according to the Jewish historian Josephus). It applies only to that southern kingdom made up of only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and a small remnant of the northern ten tribes that went south who refused king Jeroboam's gold calf idols in the north. Yet the majority of the ten tribes remained in the northern "kingdom of Israel", or HOUSE OF ISRAEL.

After the 1 Kings 11 split, ONLY the northern "kingdom of Israel" was known as Israel. The southern kingdom of Jews was known as Judah, or "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah". It's impossible for anyone to miss this that has actually studied... the Old Testament history.

Ezekiel was sent to be a prophet to the "house of Israel" mainly, as this God said to him. That did not mean all Israel, it meant only the ten northern tribes that were already captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes. They were already there in Assyria prior to Judah's later 70 years captivity to Babylon. The ten tribes were just a little bit further north.

The ten northern tribes of Israel never returned to the holy land as a people. Even today, those of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi make up the small remnant of true Israelites in today's nation state of Israel. The majority of the rest there are foreigner converts to Judaism.

God's Birthright to Abraham wound up upon Ephraim in final, where it is still supposed to be today. And per the prophecy Jacob gave to Ephraim, his seed was to become "a multitude of nations". How does this relate to your subject?

Simple, God scattered the majority of the seed of Israel among the Gentiles like He said He would do if they fell away. Both the majority of the "house of Judah" (Jews), and the "house of Israel" (ten tribes) have been scattered among the Gentiles. But the multiple nation prophecy was to Ephraim only. And that multiple nation prophecy has been fulfilled through the western Christian nations of history. Not in the nation state of Israel, but in the Christian west.

This is why there was a European connection with Apostle Paul's ministry of The Gospel.

Thus there are actually TWO ISRAELS today per Bible prophecy.

1. The "house of Israel" majority who were mainly scattered to the west after they migrated from Assyria into Asia Minor and Europe, creating the "multitude of nations" in the West, and being the lost sheep of the "house of Israel" that The Gospel was sent to after Christ was rejected in Jerusalem. That is Christ's Church, and represents God's true idea of His Israel, even though it includes spiritual Israelites of the Gentiles who believe on Jesus. This is the Ezekiel 38 Israel that is living without walls in the last days when the Gog-Magog armies will come up against her out of the north.

2. The nation state in the holy land today, called Israel, actually represents the small remnant of Jews that returned of the "house of Judah", the southern tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes. Jerusalem/Judea has always been the abode of Judah and the house of David. These also the northern armies will come up against on the last day of this world.

Isa 11:12-13
12 And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.
KJV

Isaiah 54:1–8 (NKJV): 54 “Sing, O barren,
You who have not borne!
Break forth into singing, and cry aloud,
You who have not labored with child!
For more are the children of the desolate
Than the children of the married woman,” says the Lord.
2 “Enlarge the place of your tent,
And let them stretch out the curtains of your dwellings;
Do not spare;
Lengthen your cords,
And strengthen your stakes.
3 For you shall expand to the right and to the left,
And your descendants will inherit the nations,
And make the desolate cities inhabited.
4 “Do not fear, for you will not be ashamed;
Neither be disgraced, for you will not be put to shame;
For you will forget the shame of your youth,
And will not remember the reproach of your widowhood anymore.
5 For your Maker is your husband,
The Lord of hosts is His name;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel;
He is called the God of the whole earth.
6 For the Lord has called you
Like a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit,
Like a youthful wife when you were refused,”
Says your God.
7 “For a mere moment I have forsaken you,
But with great mercies I will gather you.
8 With a little wrath I hid My face from you for a moment;
But with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you,”
Says the Lord, your Redeemer.

This is speaking of Isreal. The wrath he spoke if is occurring even today as we speak. But God will gather them, the holy one of Israel. And will give them the nations. The cities which were left desolate are tthe cities in the land of Canaan/Isreal or whatever you want to call it.

Come one man.

Once again, You left the context of the op. All you want to talk about is how the church has replaced Israel. This op is not about that.

If you want to talk about that, please open another thread.

God restoring the church is NOT going to make the nations or the people of Israel look to God and say WOW, HE IS GOD.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

When JESUS says He is "the faithful and true witness" in Revelation 3:14, is He saying that He is the faithful and true Israel?

 

[Davy]

Lesson for me?

You did not show where ANYONE in the church inherits the specific land promise ONLY given to Abraham’s offspring, Isaac and Jacob and his 12 sons and off of their families forever

Sure I did. It is when Apostle Paul said this...

Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Furthermore, there's probably as many scattered Israelites today that are members of Christ's Church as their are Gentile members! How silly can one be by denying that?

You're showing your colors, whether you realize it or not. You side with Judaism, not Christianity, otherwise you wouldn't push the false idea that God's future Kingdom is for Jews only.

 

[Davy]

Zadok was high priest during the reign of King david. He was faithful. Him and his sons (levites themselves) will be the only ones who allowed to enter. We also know the levites and their duties and responsibilities changed upon the return of Exile from Babylon.

Things change. The Zadok of Ezekiel 44 represent Christ's faithful elect after His future return, like these...

Rev 14:1-3
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
KJV


The meaning of the name Zadok (righteous) is what it is pointing to, not the flesh sons of Zadok. Instead, the Levites that went astray are shown there not being able to approach Christ in that future time, because they will stand in judgment.

Ezek 44:10-13
10 And the Levites that are gone away far from Me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from Me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.
11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.
12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up Mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity.
13 And they shall not come near unto Me, to do the office of a priest unto Me, nor to come near to any of My holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.
KJV

I am also worried that you do not understand that the inner holy place and sanctuary is no longer needed. The high priest is Christ himself. Not a Levite in the millennial reign, And all families of the earth who do not come to Jerusalem to worship the high priest/king will be punished with no rain. So as you can see, In the millennial reign, each nation is in their own land. And being blessed according to the promise of Abraham. ALL NATIONS

Ah, don't try to start that baloney. Every Christian, of which I am one, knows that Lord Jesus became the one Perfect Sacrifice for sin for all time. But could that idea be written there in the Book of Ezekiel instead? Think about it.

Again, You are trying to get me to see ALL NATIONS as equal to ONE NATION. And I just can not do it.

So you didn't read the Isaiah 54 passage about Israel being told to expand their tents to include the Gentiles, because they will also be joined with the children of Israel filling its cities? The unbelievers of Israel will be cast to the "outer darkness" like Jesus showed in Matthew 8:11-12...

Matt 8:11-12
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
KJV

Thus there's going to be plenty of room in the lands of future Israel for Gentiles that believe on Jesus Christ. Those of the seed of Israel that rejected Christ Jesus during this world will stand in judgment 'outside' the holy city, in the "outer darkness", where the wicked will be.

Rev 22 is talking about eternity future. There is a new heaven and a new earth at this time. I am not sure why you are going here. When we are talking about this current earth.

No it's not. You're only going by the order of the Revelation books, Rev.22 being the last Book which does speak of new heavens and a new earth events. But just like the Books of the Old Testament prophets, timelines don't always point a continuous flow. Furthermore, we 'know' for sure the Revelation 22:14-15 Scripture is for the time of Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the unsaved nations, because once God's Great White Throne judgment happens, with the casting into the "lake of fire", the wicked are gone. Yet per Revelation 22:14-15, there the wicked still are, outside the gates of the holy city.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You think The Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:12-16) is a battle against physical Israel ...so you think it is a battle against GOD. You are saying the fake Nation of Israel has Saved people in it.

 

[Davy]

Isaiah 54:1–8 (NKJV): 54 “Sing, O barren,
You who have not borne!
Break forth into singing, and cry aloud,
You who have not labored with child!
For more are the children of the desolate
Than the children of the married woman,” says the Lord.
2 “Enlarge the place of your tent,
And let them stretch out the curtains of your dwellings;
Do not spare;
Lengthen your cords,
And strengthen your stakes.
3 For you shall expand to the right and to the left,
And your descendants will inherit the nations,
And make the desolate cities inhabited.
....

No wonder you can't understand what we all are talking about, the Bible version you use has corrupted that Isaiah 54:3 verse.

Here is what the Isaiah 54 Scripture says per the KJV Bible...

Isa 54:1-3
54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.

2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;

3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
KJV

The majority of Bible versions interpret that verse being about Israel inheriting the Gentiles with their inhabiting the cities in the land.

Come one man.

Once again, You left the context of the op. All you want to talk about is how the church has replaced Israel. This op is not about that.

If you want to talk about that, please open another thread.

God restoring the church is NOT going to make the nations or the people of Israel look to God and say WOW, HE IS GOD.

I am on topic, because by your later posts you staring suggesting the false idea that only Jews would inherit the lands that God promised to Israel. I showed you Scripture that proves that is not true, but you reject it, because it doesn't fit your pet theories.

And you mentioned nothing... about the Luke 14 and Matthew 22 Scriptures where Jesus gave a wedding feast parable about the "children of the kingdom" (Jews) rejecting Him, and His telling His servants to go out to the highways and instead bring in strangers to His feast, while those Jews will be cast to the "outer darkness".

 

[Davy]

You think The Battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:12-16) is a battle against physical Israel ...so you think it is a battle against GOD. You are saying the fake Nation of Israel has Saved people in it.

Yes, the future battle of Armageddon will be about armies out of the northern quarters coming to destroy Israel, both the Israel in the West, and the Israel in today's holy land. That is what the gathering of the Ezekiel 38 Gog/Magog nations is about.

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.

9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV

Needless to say, those armies won't be successful.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

gog and magog is talking about people and their land ...the fake nation of Israel. it isn't about two sets of people.

If JESUS is The True Witness (Israel) ...then the false prophet is....

Do you guys think The Book of Revelation after Chapter 5 is only for those living at the very end of time? Why would GOD do that?

 

[Davy]

gog and magog is talking about people and their land ...the fake nation of Israel.

If JESUS is The True Witness (Israel) ...then the false prophet is....

Do you guys think The Book of Revelation after Chapter 5 is only for those living at the very end of time? Why would GOD do that?

No, the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38 is about 'Rosh' (the word "chief" in the Hebrew), which is from an old name for Russia. And one can easily see by the alignment of nations mentioned allied with them, that it is pointing to today's alliance of Russia and Islam (Libya, Persia = Iran, Iraq, Gomer = Georgia, Ethiopia = later land that branched off old Ethiopia, like Sudan, Cappadocia = old area where Turkey is today.)

 

[pittsburghjoe]

No, the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38 is about 'Rosh' (the word "chief" in the Hebrew), which is from an old name for Russia. And one can easily see by the alignment of nations mentioned allied with them, that it is pointing to today's alliance of Russia and Islam (Libya, Persia = Iran, Iraq, Gomer = Georgia, Ethiopia = later land that branched off old Ethiopia, like Sudan, Cappadocia = old area where Turkey is today.)

"Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog,"

It isn't two sets of people. Stop the ridiculousness.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

maybe, false prophet Israel will encircle a camp of Messianic Jews. Or it's more symbolic than that. Jews fighting against Christianity.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i beg everyone in this thread to listen to this video:

 

[Davy]

"Son of man, set thy face toward Gog, of the land of Magog,"

It isn't two sets of people. Stop the ridiculousness.

Can't you read past Ezekiel 38:1?

Ezek 38:2-6
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.
KJV