Israel and prophecy

[Davy]

Yes, and that has happened several times.

Your point of view requires JESUS to not be Reigning now ...but what is going on in this Scripture?

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

If you want to get technical, Christ never stopped... reigning, because He is Immanuel God with us. He didn't stop being God while He was in the flesh like us. So it's important to understand the 'type' of reign He was pointing to, and His Word shows at His return He is going to literally reign over all nations with "a rod of iron". We don't see that happening today, because it's not time for that yet, He has not returned yet.

So to say He is already... reigning over all nations today, is to lie, and say He has... already returned, or will not return.

 

[Davy]

Yes, and that has happened several times.

Your point of view requires JESUS to not be Reigning now ...but what is going on in this Scripture?

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Apostle Paul also said this:

1 Cor 15:25-28
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith, 'all things are put under him', it is manifest that He is excepted, Which did put all things under Him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him That put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
KJV

The 28th verse is the key there. It reveals that only once "all things shall be subdued unto Him", only then will The Son Himself be subject to the Father (i.e., in His future Kingdom). Thus The Father is excepted in Christ's ordained reign. Verse 26 tells us the last enemy to be destroyed is "death". Per the Revelation 20 Scripture, that ONLY happens after that future "thousand years" reign with the rod of iron, and with His elect.

So are you reigning with Jesus right now, with that "rod of iron" over all nations on earth today? You'd be nuts if you said yes.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If you want to get technical, Christ never stopped... reigning, because He is Immanuel God with us. He didn't stop being God while He was in the flesh like us. So it's important to understand the 'type' of reign He was pointing to, and His Word shows at His return He is going to literally reign over all nations with "a rod of iron". We don't see that happening today, because it's not time for that yet, He has not returned yet.

So to say He is already... reigning over all nations today, is to lie, and say He has... already returned, or will not return.

You have the same evil lust that pharisees had for wanting a beast king.


Psalm 23:3-6
He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Apostle Paul also said this:

1 Cor 15:25-28
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For He hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith, 'all things are put under him', it is manifest that He is excepted, Which did put all things under Him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto Him That put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
KJV

The 28th verse is the key there. It reveals that only once "all things shall be subdued unto Him", only then will The Son Himself be subject to the Father (i.e., in His future Kingdom). Thus The Father is excepted in Christ's ordained reign. Verse 26 tells us the last enemy to be destroyed is "death". Per the Revelation 20 Scripture, that ONLY happens after that future "thousand years" reign with the rod of iron, and with His elect.

So are you reigning with Jesus right now, with that "rod of iron" over all nations on earth today? You'd be nuts if you said yes.

Do you think JESUS didn't have Victory over death already?

and i already answered the rest with this:

Matthew 13 :: King James Version (KJV)

Tares among Wheat


Why is JESUS saying there are tares in The Kingdom?

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[Davy]

You have the same evil lust that pharisees had for wanting a beast king.

You sound totally like a blind Jew Pharisee.

Do you believe on Jesus of Nazareth as God's promised Savior?

 

[Davy]

Do you think JESUS didn't have Victory over death already?

and i already answered the rest with this:

Matthew 13 :: King James Version (KJV)

Tares among Wheat


Why is JESUS saying there are tares in The Kingdom?

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Obviously, you are wanting to argue with LORD JESUS and not with me. He is The One Who revealed the parable of the tares in His Word. It is up to those who read what He said to either believe it, or not believe it.

So I don't care if you DO NOT believe what He said, I DO.

I also believe what Apostle Paul also said about it, and Apostle John, and Apostle Peter, etc. YEAH, Lord Jesus was not the only One Who taught about the matter!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

did/do the pharisees and current day Premillennialists want a beast king MESSIAH just like all the other beasts in prophecies?

Why isn't The HOLY SPIRIT clueing them in one what is symbolic ...all they can handle is the literal for some reason.

 

[Davy]

did/do the pharisees and current day Premillennialists want a beast king MESSIAH just like all the other beasts in prophecies?

Why isn't The HOLY SPIRIT clueing them in one what is symbolic ...all they can handle is the literal for some reason.

That is SO... idiotic, it doesn't even warrant a logical reply!

Repent, and believe on Jesus Christ as your Savior, and get baptized!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

That is SO... idiotic, it doesn't even warrant a logical reply!

Repent, and believe on Jesus Christ as your Savior, and get baptized!

Do you still have sin in your life? Are you waiting from some Rebuilt Temple or a mark of the beast to get Right with GOD? i ask this sincerely because i don't get why GOD'S Presence isn't yelling at you. being lukewarm doesn't cut it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i think most here are under satan's final deception. i've been under the spell myself, but once you step back from it and see how he clowned you ...you have to let others know. You really think there is going to be a thousand years where Free Will isn't a thing from direct proof of GOD. i'm begging you to consider if GOD would really do something like that.

it all stems from Daniel's 70 Weeks. handing the Covenant to the antichrist is the most ridiculous thing ever.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

by handing satan The Covenant ...i see satan standing in the Holy Place shewing himself that he is GOD.


2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i think Premillennialists are the falling away and the son of perdition is being revealed right now.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[pittsburghjoe]

If JESUS had Victory over death by not allowing Himself to become a prophetic beast king ...why are we asking for a Messianic King that is one?

 

[Davy]

If JESUS had Victory over death by not allowing Himself to become a prophetic beast king ...why are we asking for a Messianic King that is one?

Repent!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

i’m saying your thousand years after The Return doesn’t make any sense. First, GOD doesn’t give direct evidence …that ruins Free Will to choose SALVATION. satan being loosed at the end should be a wakeup call that it is NOW.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Mic 5:1-4
Now gather thyself in troops, O daughter of troops: he hath laid siege against us: they shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod upon the cheek.

But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for now shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

Bethlehem Ephratah is where the Sacrificial Lambs were.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

all beasts in prophecies are about evil kings …to want a physical Reign after The Return is to ask for a beast king just like the pharisees did.

Are you also literal with the Sword coming out of His Mouth?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

"sceptre" is the same as "rod" in Greek.

i think this is saying the Rod of Iron that JESUS Reigns with is His Throne ...The Throne He is already sitting in!

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

What is going on here? Is It saying that we don't leave The Kingdom after we are Reborn into It?

"new Jerusalem" is Now.