Israel and prophecy

[Hidden In Him]

once again. Explain to me what land the church has ever been given, and was cast out because she sinned against God. and her restoration to that land will be a show to them and the world that God is God.

I haven't read through the thread yet, but I'm guessing you've been beating dead horses ever since you wrote this post, Lol. I did notice a few long posts in response (though stopped reading both because there was no witness on either), and when that happens consistently it's a sign that they have no simple answer and have to resort to theories that are highly convoluted and take a lot to explain.

You could add asking why the "church" will be surrounded by nations on every side before Christ's triumphant return, and ask how the church will somehow become localized to a specific region (Luke 21:20-28). If so, it would pay to know what region this will be.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Hosea 6:1-3
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

The Kingdom is NOW.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Hosea 6:1-3
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

The Kingdom is NOW.

No it isn't. This is spiritualizing the scriptures as if God never made a covenant with a particular people in the flesh. Kingdom Now theology opens up the door to tremendous heresy, including Gnostic interpretations of the scriptures which are occultic and in some cases Satanic, and those who teach them prove by their own theology that they do not receive their eduction in the word from the Lord Himself but from a different spirit.

And stop capitalizing. We're not blind.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

go to page 4

 

[Hidden In Him]

go to page 4

You have seven posts on Page 4, and some are enlarged even worse, Lol.

Specify which posts are a response to mine, and why.

I'll be back.

 

[Oseas]

to gather gog and magog for battle is people and land, what if it is talking about the Nation of Israel?

Nation of Israel vs New Jerusalem

Rev 20:7-9
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Yes, in the final of this current millennium there will be War against Satan and his followers, as you quoted, fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them, and the THIRD HEAVEN will be closed and finish. The next will be the heaven of the heavens and will be established the Eternal time, the time will be for ever and ever.

But now, in the current time, in this beginning of the 1st century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day,
will fulfill LITERALLY Revelation 20:v.1-4:

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

verse 4 (combined with Romans 2:v.5 to 16) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

When we are Reborn ...we start seeing The Kingdom NOW.

Jhn 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


Adam got an Image Breathed into Him by GOD. Adam ruined it, but JESUS gave us The Way to fix it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

"Anyone who can see can look at the world and see the Kingdom is NOT now. That's very obvious."​

Mat 13:15
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


Matthew 13 :: King James Version (KJV)

Tares among Wheat


Why is JESUS saying there are tares in The Kingdom?

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

 

[Davy]

if there is tribe there it is Dan.

No, the tribe of Dan dwelt in ships per Judges 5:17. God actually scattered many of them first because of their doing idol worship first (Judges 18). They aren't listed in the 1 Chronicles 2 thru 12 genealogies, and completely omitted in Revelation 7.

God had promised Israel in Deuteronomy 4 and 28 that if they rebelled against Him in false worship He would scatter them among the Gentiles.

You act like there were Jews there before 1948. GOD is obviously Talking about New Jerusalem from out of Heaven.

And yes, there were Jews still dwelling in Jerusalem, and increasing in number from around the 4th century A.D. forward. Many of them would return in the 15th century because of their persecution in Spain to either convert to Christianity or leave. Several revolts by Jews, traces their history there after the Romans caused them to be scattered in the Diaspora.

 

[Davy]

it's like you are blind or something. Of course King JESUS is from the Tribe of Judah. WAKE UP.

You are deceived starting with the 70 Weeks of Daniel ...it all starts there. Look at it again and try and see how the antichrist is not involved. The 70 Weeks are over. GOD doesn't extend His Prophecy Times.

You seem to not be able to focus on a single topic. The final "one week" of Daniel 9:27 is still yet to come, as I've already shown that from the Daniel Scripture.

 

[Davy]

legitimate sans a way to uphold their end of a Covenant ...what?

Take a closer look at the Tribe of Dan, they are excluded from The Book of Revelation.

Revelation 7 :: King James Version (KJV)

Dan was cast out early because of idols, like I showed. Ephraim fell to idols also, which is why they aren't in the Rev.7 list either. If you had actually read your Old Testament you would have known that's why.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Dan was cast out early because of idols, like I showed. Ephraim fell to idols also, which is why they aren't in the Rev.7 list either. If you had actually read your Old Testament you would have known that's why.

Ok, you win, there are no real Jews today then.

Jews are waiting for a MESSIAH with Davidic blood ...but somehow the Blood JESUS had, back when that was still possible, wasn't good enough. Ridiculous.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I haven't read through the thread yet, but I'm guessing you've been beating dead horses ever since you wrote this post, Lol. I did notice a few long posts in response (though stopped reading both because there was no witness on either), and when that happens consistently it's a sign that they have no simple answer and have to resort to theories that are highly convoluted and take a lot to explain.

You could add asking why the "church" will be surrounded by nations on every side before Christ's triumphant return, and ask how the church will somehow become localized to a specific region (Luke 21:20-28). If so, it would pay to know what region this will be.

Actually all I wanted to discuss is how these prophecies will make anyone see and believe that God is the lord..

It seems no one wants to discuss the op. so......

But that is a great question..

 

[Davy]

Ok, you win, there are no real Jews today then.

Jews are waiting for a MESSIAH with Davidic blood ...but somehow the Blood JESUS had, back when that was still possible, wasn't good enough. Ridiculous.

It's not about winning, it's about staying in God's Truth per His Holy Writ.

 

[Davy]

Ok, you win, there are no real Jews today then.

Jews are waiting for a MESSIAH with Davidic blood ...but somehow the Blood JESUS had, back when that was still possible, wasn't good enough. Ridiculous.

Jesus speaking to the unbelieving Jews who sought to kill Him...

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Jesus speaking to the unbelieving Jews who sought to kill Him...

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

Yes, and that has happened several times.

Your point of view requires JESUS to not be Reigning now ...but what is going on in this Scripture?

Ephesians 1:20-23
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Has anyone proven to have original Jewish blood from before 70 A.D.? If not, how can The MESSIAH be in the future with Davidic blood?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

A new name?

[Isaiah 62:2 NASB20] (2) The nations will see your righteousness, And all kings your glory; And you will be called by a new name Which the mouth of the LORD will designate.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Kingdom of The Body of CHRIST is now.


The Royal Priesthood

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Ezra 2:61-62
And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:
62 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.