Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

[JohnPaul]

The reason you are confusing people here, Matthew, is because you are not being careful with your statements. You state the following three things in rapid succession:

- They need to receive Jesus to be saved.
- All people's sins have been paid for, they just have not received Jesus.
- Jesus has saved all people from sin, death, hell, Satan and his demons.

These statements contradict each other. If Jesus has saved all people and they all need to receive Jesus to be saved, then this means that all people must have indeed received Jesus. Yet you state in phrase 2 that all people have not. Your third phrase should read, "Jesus has paid the price for all people to be saved from sin, death, hell, Satan and his demons." Then your position would be consistent.

Be careful what you teach, Matthew. Assuming the role of a teacher is a serious matter before the Lord.
God bless,
- H

That’s what I said his teachings will lead people astray, only those who accept and receive Jesus and repent can be saved.

 

[Marymog]

Whoa, hold on there!
We’re repeatedly lambasted about the Protestants being broke up in the error of their doctrines into denominations, while the Catholic Church claims it remains singular because it has the real truth. I guess they aren’t any different than us Protestants after all, lol.

Whoa, hold on there!

Certainly, you realize that once a 'local' Catholic church breaks away from The Catholic Church.....they are no longer Catholic? They then become Protestant since they are in "protest". The Catholic Church still remains singular. It didn't all of a sudden become plural. Just because they have the name catholic in their title doesn't mean they are Catholic. They would have to teach Catholic doctrine to be Catholic. The Catholic Church is not "broke up" when a local church leaves it. Sooooo your post makes no sense.

Keeping it real....Mary

 

[Marymog]

I would like to start this thread in response to other threads that are no longer available.

@APAK @amigo de christo @Cristo Rei @Reggie Belafonte

While I don’t hate homosexuals but pray for them to abstain from their heinous abominations towards God and repent for their sins, then and only then could I accept a person who is a homosexual be he man or woman into the congregation of God.

It seems like so many so called Christians are embracing this garbage and even encouraging it.


This acceptance of these homosexuals into our Churches and hanging rainbow flags on the fake churches and their homes are a sign of being in league with Satan as are those who accept this deviant filth, because that’s what it is deviant filth.

It goes against the word of God, it’s in the Holy Book and speaks out against it, yet people refuse to acknowledge this, this to me is new age liberal hippy Christianity, that’s what I like to call it, people who accept this form of false Christianity in accepting of these unrepentive individuals are not true Christians and are damned and being fooled by Satan himself to go against God’s word.

I hope this thread is not deleted and is left open for discussion, we as true Christians have a God given right to refuse such things into our flock or churches and the right to discuss it.

Thank you,
JohnPaul

Hey John Paul,

I wonder what would happen if a "church" advertised that they are welcoming of all adulterers, and you are allowed to bring the person you are having the adulteress affair with to the church services? Who would openly attend that? And would there be a public outcry?

Mary

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Whoa, hold on there!

Certainly, you realize that once a 'local' Catholic church breaks away from The Catholic Church.....they are no longer Catholic? They then become Protestant since they are in "protest". The Catholic Church still remains singular. It didn't all of a sudden become plural. Just because they have the name catholic in their title doesn't mean they are Catholic. They would have to teach Catholic doctrine to be Catholic. The Catholic Church is not "broke up" when a local church leaves it. Sooooo your post makes no sense.

Keeping it real....Mary

Then let's keep it real across the board. Every Protestant denomination can say the same thing about themselves (everyone is separating from them). And I think they do! People have to realize there is no centralized church authority anymore. The church - meaning any one organization we call the 'church' - has been corrupted, beyond repair, IMO. At this time in history just before the return of Christ, it's you, your Bible, your God given discernment by the Holy Spirit, and your fellowship with others with like attitude (and I mean fellowship like in 'open Bible study and worship' kind of fellowship, not cold, dead, meaningless, ritualistic, liturgical fellowship - you know, 'church'). It's every man for himself now. Man has ruined the Christian faith.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I would like to start this thread in response to other threads that are no longer available.

@APAK @amigo de christo @Cristo Rei @Reggie Belafonte

While I don’t hate homosexuals but pray for them to abstain from their heinous abominations towards God and repent for their sins, then and only then could I accept a person who is a homosexual be he man or woman into the congregation of God.

It seems like so many so called Christians are embracing this garbage and even encouraging it.


This acceptance of these homosexuals into our Churches and hanging rainbow flags on the fake churches and their homes are a sign of being in league with Satan as are those who accept this deviant filth, because that’s what it is deviant filth.

It goes against the word of God, it’s in the Holy Book and speaks out against it, yet people refuse to acknowledge this, this to me is new age liberal hippy Christianity, that’s what I like to call it, people who accept this form of false Christianity in accepting of these unrepentive individuals are not true Christians and are damned and being fooled by Satan himself to go against God’s word.

I hope this thread is not deleted and is left open for discussion, we as true Christians have a God given right to refuse such things into our flock or churches and the right to discuss it.

Thank you,
JohnPaul

We need to understand some basic truths. The world is the world! We need to accept them where they are at. They do not have the holy Spirit so are incapable of discerning this wrong. Doesn't mean we approve of this sexual sin, just recognize it belongs to the world.

However if one calls themselves a fellow believer and approves of homosexuality, we must stand against that at all costs.

It is not our job to judge the weorld, but judge within the body to rid it in love of the evils we bring in.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus has saved all people from death, sin, hell, the grave, Satan and his demons.

To be saved to the kingdom of God one needs to accept the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, it would be beneficial for them to grow and know the living God and the Son Jesus Christ which is life eternal, and they will receive the Holy Spirit. Their life will be changed as they seek for God by faith, their old man will slowly die away as the new man inside of them grows by learning about God and what has been done for all of mankind because of Jesus and because of the Apostles going out to teach in which the gospel has reached whole world according to Paul, in Romans, and Colossians.

People who become believers God has promised to give them a new spirit, and a new heart, that God hears their prayers, that Jesus baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire, that by faith you are justified and can have peace with God in and through Christ Jesus, at the end of life you will be resurrected and be rewarded accordingly to how you lived your life, another promise newness of life by the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living with in you, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, and the like (G 5).

Spiritual growth will keep a person healthy in their faith and not wavering and doubting between if they are saved or not. They will know for a fact by faith in being saved by grace through faith, and will be at the end of their life resurrected and going to see God to be judged.

Where we might just be presenting our case, was it Jesus who made us right with God or was it our self and what we did. That will be the only two choices in my best estimation.

The you have those who are on the outside who did not have faith and love for God or others. And the inside where those who had faith inGod and love for others.

That is what I believe by faith, people pick and choose this day who they will serve it is always ourselves or God. To have love for God first and to have love for others, or not.

Dying without faith according to revelation 22 they are placed outside the kingdom where darkness resides, but inside the all consuming fire God is there to be a shining light for all to see and the gates of the city never close anyone off, but due to no faith people are placed outside the gates.

@Hidden In Him thank you for your comment.

 

[Marymog]

Then let's keep it real across the board. Every Protestant denomination can say the same thing about themselves (everyone is separating from them). And I think they do! People have to realize there is no centralized church authority anymore. The church - meaning any one organization we call the 'church' - has been corrupted, beyond repair, IMO. At this time in history just before the return of Christ, it's you, your Bible, your God given discernment by the Holy Spirit, and your fellowship with others with like attitude (and I mean fellowship like in 'open Bible study and worship' kind of fellowship, not cold, dead, meaningless, ritualistic, liturgical fellowship - you know, 'church'). It's every man for himself now. Man has ruined the Christian faith.

Thanks Ferris.

Here is where you and your Protestant friends go wrong. Scripture makes it clear there IS a centralized church authority:

Jesus said he will build a Church (“I will build My Church”) His choice of Peter as the foundation, or head, of this Church Christ confers on Peter his own divine authority (“the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven”) for ruling the Church (“bind” and “loose”). This power to “bind and loose”, repeated also in Mt 18:18 to the Apostles as a whole, is understood as applying first to Peter and his successors, and then to the rest of the Apostles and their successors in union with Peter (Mt 16:18-19). And that church decides who is right and who is wrong when there is a disagreement between two members of that church (Mt 18:15). And if the person refuses to accept the decision of the church it is the church who decides who is to be excommunicated (Mt 18:17). In Mt 28:18-20 Jesus told the Apostles that the authority he is giving them derives from his own divine authority. (“All authority…” / “Go therefore”.) The Apostles’ authority and mission comes directly from Christ himself. The nature of this mission is to lead or govern (“make disciples”), sanctify (“baptizing them”), and teach (“teaching them to observe”). Christ promises to remain present with them always in support of this mission (“I am with you always”). In Acts 15 the Church exercised that authority over all Christians at the Council of Jerusalem. They used those keys of binding a loosening that Jesus gave them and they (The Church) was guided by the Holy Spirit (vs 28) in that decision on what was binding upon all Christians.

Scripture is clear in its exhortation to believers to submit to the authority placed over them in the Church of which the Holy Spirit has made them overseers (Hebrews 13:17, I Thessalonians 5:12-13, Acts 20:28).

Now I could go on and on and on Ferris with more passages from Scripture (Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 5:1-5, Titus 1:5, Acts 14:23, 16:4, 20:28 1 Timothy 5:17-20) but I won't bore you with what Scripture really has to say about "church authority".

Just because there are men in The Church who have become corrupted doesn't mean The Church has become corrupted and lost its authority. Judas was once part of The Church leadership. He became corrupted. Does that mean we should throw away the authority of the other 11 Apostles?

Well, as you may have noticed I gave multiple passages from Scripture to show that there is a centralized Church authority. The Apostles used that authority. Can you provide any passages from Scripture to show that that authority ended AFTER the Apostles died?

Bible study Mary

PS: We know that Scripture is hard to understand and there are ignorant and unstable people who distort Scriptures, to their own destruction. Sooo your theory that "It's every man for himself now" is OPPOSITE of what Scripture teaches. "Man has ruined the Christian faith" BECAUSE he thinks that it is every man for himself. That is how Scripture gets twisted.

 

[Marymog]

This is a very serious topic that had gone without a serious response by the true church...and its more that just homosexuality.

Here's a list taken from Wikipedia, if this source can be credible on this issue, of all that officially support LGBT+ activities. I would say it is out-of-date by now

Just for N. America....

List of Christian denominations affirming LGBT people - Wikipedia

List of Christian denominations affirming LGBT people

North America

Anglican
United Church of Christ's motto which expresses its support for LGBT rights

Church of the Pilgrims in Washington, D.C. indicating its support for LGBT rights

Metropolitan Community Church, a LGBT-affirming Christian church in New York City

Grace Gospel Chapel, in Seattle

• Episcopal Church (United States)[32]
• Evangelical Anglican Church In America[33]

Baptist

• Alliance of Baptists[34]
• Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists[35]
• Cooperative Baptist Fellowship[36] NOTE: Each congregation determines its own position

Catholic

• American National Catholic Church[37][38]
• Ecumenical Catholic Church[citation needed]
• Ecumenical Catholic Communion[39]
• Evangelical Catholic Church[citation needed]
• Old Catholic Church[40]
• Traditionalist Mexican-American Catholic Church

Lutheran

• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America: the ELCA's document A Social Statement on Human Sexuality: Gift and Trust [41] notes "While Lutherans hold various convictions regarding lifelong, monogamous, same-gender relationships, this church is united on many critical issues. It opposes all forms of verbal or physical harassment and assault based on sexual orientation. It supports legislation and policies to protect civil rights and to prohibit discrimination in housing, employment, and public services. It has called upon congregations and members to welcome, care for, and support same-gender couples and their families and to advocate for their legal protection."
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada[42]

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Those denominations listed under your "Catholic" heading are not Catholic. Do some research kiddo....

 

[marks]

Thanks Ferris.

Here is where you and your Protestant friends go wrong. Scripture makes it clear there IS a centralized church authority:

Jesus said he will build a Church (“I will build My Church”) His choice of Peter as the foundation, or head, of this Church Christ confers on Peter his own divine authority (“the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven”) for ruling the Church (“bind” and “loose”). This power to “bind and loose”, repeated also in Mt 18:18 to the Apostles as a whole, is understood as applying first to Peter and his successors, and then to the rest of the Apostles and their successors in union with Peter (Mt 16:18-19). And that church decides who is right and who is wrong when there is a disagreement between two members of that church (Mt 18:15). And if the person refuses to accept the decision of the church it is the church who decides who is to be excommunicated (Mt 18:17). In Mt 28:18-20 Jesus told the Apostles that the authority he is giving them derives from his own divine authority. (“All authority…” / “Go therefore”.) The Apostles’ authority and mission comes directly from Christ himself. The nature of this mission is to lead or govern (“make disciples”), sanctify (“baptizing them”), and teach (“teaching them to observe”). Christ promises to remain present with them always in support of this mission (“I am with you always”). In Acts 15 the Church exercised that authority over all Christians at the Council of Jerusalem. They used those keys of binding a loosening that Jesus gave them and they (The Church) was guided by the Holy Spirit (vs 28) in that decision on what was binding upon all Christians.

Scripture is clear in its exhortation to believers to submit to the authority placed over them in the Church of which the Holy Spirit has made them overseers (Hebrews 13:17, I Thessalonians 5:12-13, Acts 20:28).

Now I could go on and on and on Ferris with more passages from Scripture (Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 5:1-5, Titus 1:5, Acts 14:23, 16:4, 20:28 1 Timothy 5:17-20) but I won't bore you with what Scripture really has to say about "church authority".

Just because there are men in The Church who have become corrupted doesn't mean The Church has become corrupted and lost its authority. Judas was once part of The Church leadership. He became corrupted. Does that mean we should throw away the authority of the other 11 Apostles?

Well, as you may have noticed I gave multiple passages from Scripture to show that there is a centralized Church authority. The Apostles used that authority. Can you provide any passages from Scripture to show that that authority ended AFTER the Apostles died?

Bible study Mary

PS: We know that Scripture is hard to understand and there are ignorant and unstable people who distort Scriptures, to their own destruction. Sooo your theory that "It's every man for himself now" is OPPOSITE of what Scripture teaches. "Man has ruined the Christian faith" BECAUSE he thinks that it is every man for himself. That is how Scripture gets twisted.

Our perceptions and opinions based on those perceptions are no substitute for the Word of God.

Hebrews 13:17 KJV
17) Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

It's no good for you to not submit to the overseers of the assembly. Let them lead with joy and love, and join them in rejoicing, letting each have the fulfillment of the work God has given to each.

Let the eye an eye, and the hand be a hand.

Much love!

 

[APAK]

Those denominations listed under your "Catholic" heading are not Catholic. Do some research kiddo....

you figure it out with Wikipedia kiddo...upset are you, then live with it

 

[Marymog]

you figure it out with Wikipedia kiddo...upset are you, then live with it

OK....I will help you figure it out:

The American National Catholic Church (ANCC) is an independent Catholic church established in 2009[2] as a self-governing entity. It is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church,.....

The Ecumenical Catholic Church (ECC) is a small Christian denomination, mainly oriented toward the LGBT community......Its liturgy is also similar to that of the Roman Catholic Church, but it is independent and not under the jurisdiction of the Vatican or the Roman Catholic hierarchy;

The Ecumenical Catholic Communion (ECC) is an American-based independent Catholic church. Its members understand themselves as following the Catholic tradition without being in communion with the Bishop of Rome.

The Evangelical Catholic Church (ECC), formerly known as the Independent Evangelical Catholic Church in America (IECCA), is an Independent Catholic Church headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. Founded in 1997,[1] it claimed about 1,500 members in three parishes in 2014.[2][3] In 2017, the ECC claimed four parishes in Chicago, Illinois; Bend, Oregon; Providence, Rhode Island; and Watertown, Wisconsin.[4] Its theology differs from that of the Roman Catholic Church.....

The terms Old Catholic Church, Old Catholics and Old-Catholic churches[4] designate "any of the groups of Western Christians who believe themselves to maintain in complete loyalty the doctrine and traditions of the undivided church but who separated from the see of Rome after the First Vatican council of 1869–70".[5]

The Traditionalist Mexican-American Catholic Church, sometimes known as the Traditionalist Mexico-USA Tridentine Catholic Church, was an independent Catholic church in North America. They broke away from the Catholic Church....


Sooooooo are you now going to fix your lie? Or does everyone just have to live with your lie? “It's never wrong to do the right thing Apak!!

Defender of the truth....Mary

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.”

 

[JohnPaul]

you figure it out with Wikipedia kiddo...upset are you, then live with it

Amen my good brother, tell it like it is and accept no lies but the truth, the word of God!

 

[JohnPaul]

Jesus has saved all people from death, sin, hell, the grave, Satan and his demons.

To be saved to the kingdom of God one needs to accept the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, it would be beneficial for them to grow and know the living God and the Son Jesus Christ which is life eternal, and they will receive the Holy Spirit. Their life will be changed as they seek for God by faith, their old man will slowly die away as the new man inside of them grows by learning about God and what has been done for all of mankind because of Jesus and because of the Apostles going out to teach in which the gospel has reached whole world according to Paul, in Romans, and Colossians.

People who become believers God has promised to give them a new spirit, and a new heart, that God hears their prayers, that Jesus baptized in the Holy Spirit and fire, that by faith you are justified and can have peace with God in and through Christ Jesus, at the end of life you will be resurrected and be rewarded accordingly to how you lived your life, another promise newness of life by the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ living with in you, the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, and the like (G 5).

Spiritual growth will keep a person healthy in their faith and not wavering and doubting between if they are saved or not. They will know for a fact by faith in being saved by grace through faith, and will be at the end of their life resurrected and going to see God to be judged.

Where we might just be presenting our case, was it Jesus who made us right with God or was it our self and what we did. That will be the only two choices in my best estimation.

The you have those who are on the outside who did not have faith and love for God or others. And the inside where those who had faith inGod and love for others.

That is what I believe by faith, people pick and choose this day who they will serve it is always ourselves or God. To have love for God first and to have love for others, or not.

Dying without faith according to revelation 22 they are placed outside the kingdom where darkness resides, but inside the all consuming fire God is there to be a shining light for all to see and the gates of the city never close anyone off, but due to no faith people are placed outside the gates.

@Hidden In Him thank you for your comment.

Oh, So Hitler is a believer and accepted Christ’s death as do the repeat offending pedophiles who rape and molest kids and are involved in kiddie porn?

Your preaching is false, stop trying to be something you’re not, your preaching holds no validity.

 

[MatthewG]

That’s fine brother. You can say whatever you desire about me and what is presented, my friend. I’m going to just leave away in peace sir. God bless you and your endeavors, and have a good holiday season if you are going to be spending time with any of your family. Take care.

 

[Truman]

Jesus says to sinners everywhere..."Repent!"

 

[MatthewG]

I’m not your brother and don’t play the innocent good guy role, you try to come off as a swell guy who is spreading love when you are leading people astray by conning them into buying this load of lies to love and accept unrepentant and non celibate homosexuals into God’s flock.

I ain’t buying it and don’t need no well wishes from you either.

Good riddance.

Whatever you desire to believe about me is fine. I hope you the best. You can dislike me; but I will have love for you, regardless. That is what Jesus told us to do. If someone smites your on the cheek, turn to him your other.

May you have a blessed night sir, John.

Take care.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Just because there are men in The Church who have become corrupted doesn't mean The Church has become corrupted and lost its authority.

Right, the true church can never be corrupted. The true church is not an organization. It's the sum total of all genuine believers.

There are believers among us who are gifted to be spiritual leaders and their authority is God given. But what we lack today is an official organization of these gifted leaders among us. That ended centuries ago. You'll meet those who are gifted to be in positions of authority and leadership here and there - you know, in Bible studies, as pastors of churches here and there, etc. But no official, recognizable organization of these gifted leaders exists today. The corruption of doctrine that the various denominations of churches have adopted, including the Catholic denomination, runs so deep and irreversible (IMO) that you can't find the truth in one place. It's every man for himself now - his Bible, the discernment of the Holy Spirit, and fellowship with like-minded people who also read the Bible for themselves. THAT church lives and can never be destroyed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Can you provide any passages from Scripture to show that that authority ended AFTER the Apostles died?

If that was my argument, that there was no hierarchy of gifted believers to have authority over all believers, I'd certainly show you that scripture. But as it is, that's not my argument. My argument is they do not exist in a recognizable, official organization at this time in church history just before the return of Christ. Because the corruption of the organizations of men and their doctrines is so pervasive.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You said Hitler was saved by Jesus, which I doubt very much, and also pedos who molest and rape innocent children, some acts are unforgivable, even by God or Christ, mortal sins.

They bathe in it, I know people who are religious who bathe in their sins, they claim that the blood of Jesus covers all sin regardless, so Hitler and the Devil are saved as well ? they claim to others that Jesus is the Man ! but so does the Devil ? only they do not abide in Christ Jesus ?
It's like they believe the blood was shed for trash to survive and fester. So as to Sin they bathe in it. they push that all their Sin is forgiven regardless. so no wonder we see so called Priest molester kids and much of the Church turn their backs on the subject for years.
When I brought such a subject up or just tried to touch on it so slightly as not to offend them, well I got attacked full on. It's Not true ! at all they would claim ? If they seen any such going on they would switch automatically into denial mode.
They would go into a mode of, oh no a scandal in the Church! not to mention their own church, in that they go to would come under the eyes of all and they could not bear that ever, so they just push such away out of their minds.

One I know claims it's all about the blood of Jesus and nothing other, Not about the Holy Spirit at all he claims. he is demanding that The State is Israel is were it's all at. so it can dominate over the whole world and he gets X amount of people to dominate over or kill as he pleases. He claims the Holy Spirit is just nonsense.

I say if one does not have the Holy spirit within them, then they are not worthy of Jesus Christ at all. as Jesus will say that he never knew them.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Those denominations listed under your "Catholic" heading are not Catholic. Do some research kiddo....

I would agree that the Catholic Church is their and has been their for 2000 years, when we look to the RCC we see corruption at work all through the years and this is the case of all Churches in fact, but within there is always the worthy Christians to Jesus Christ who are truly born again.

The RCC under Pope Frances is a whore. but many in the RCC that I know and known who were full on RCC involved, not one looked up to any of the Popes from JP2 on. I thought that was odd. not to mention not all in the RCC are of the same Order. when I wanted to get into the Franciscan Order here, well they were not into St Frances of Assisi at all. That's both the C of E and the RCC. not to mention if I mention St Francis to anyone in the RCC they were totally oblivious and only on about the Patron Saint of Animals nonsense. clearly the Priest never wanted to inspire the flock on the subject of St Frances, because such could be a direct threat to expose them for the worldly religious bastards that they truly are. Not to mention such is why the numbers of faithful are dwindling in the Churches, the Priest are like toxic weeds nowadays. They do not wasn't Priest in the RCC for years as they have been undermining them and only letting the Gay ones in, ones who would never stand up for Christ Jesus but only do the will of the worldly Church. We need people like Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. Or Archbishop Fulton Sheen etc, inspiring people of Christ Jesus.