only God can be born of a virgin mother
a virgin is consecrated to God forever
Worship is only an accusation!
The 'blessed virgin Mary'
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only God can be born of a virgin mother
a virgin is consecrated to God forever
Worship is only an accusation!
David in NJ
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You added t God's words which is sin. Nowhere did God ever say that Mary remained a "perpetual virgin".
Mary's virgin vaginal wall was burst open when her baby came out of her.
The miracle was GOD bringing forth a Male Child to Rule the world from a virgin who never knew a man prior to this.
now you not only deny the perpetual virginity of Mary but the virgin birth too?
no Mary gave birth to Christ while remaining a virgin! It was a miraculous conception and a miraculous birth!
Isa 7:14 a virgin shall conceive AND bear a son
virgin before and consecrated to God
Virgin conceived
Virgin gave birth
Virgin forever!!!!!!
(body only - God is his father)
Good point. That is the crux of it all. The Spirit prepared the body of the Word from the flesh of the womb of Mary, even as He made a body of a woman from the flesh of Adam's rib.
Mary was no more the Mother of the Second Adam, than the first Adam was the father of the first woman Eve.
David in NJ
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For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God;
but woman is the glory of man.
For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
Nor was man created for the woman,
but woman for the man.
For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.
mary is not the mother of Jesus?
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Lk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
mary consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6.
For into us a child is born (Mary body), unto us a son is given. God gave the son! The content of Jesus the Christ was given by God - was not given by Mary. God is the father of Jesus (seed of God), and all who believe. Glory!
Good point again.
The body of the child was born of Mary, by Christ the Son was born of God:
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Christ was born of God unto Mary and all them that believe to be saved by.
The government upon His shoulder is not the Mothership of Vesta-Mary.
Vesta-Mary is not the Mother of Almighty God.
The good thing about heresies, is the learning we get from needing to refute them, so that our understanding of the truth of Scripture is greater.
The more the Mariologists try to prop up their false doctrine, the more we see the erroneous mind at work to wrest Scripture from it's truth.
Since The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are One God, then the Mariologists must not just call Her Mother of God, but Mother of the Lord God Almighty and Father, which of course makes Her Goddess above God:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God; and the head of God is Mother of God.
Will the Mariologists call Her Mother of the Almighty God and Father?
Or else say the Son is not God even as the Father?
Or will they create some in-between Godhood for the Son, so they can squeeze Mary in as God the Wife of God the Father?
The Paganism of Vesta renamed Mary creates such ridiculous scenarios to avoid.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
This is how confusion comes into the body of Christ, through false doctrine of Jews or Christians. And the meandering turns it takes to prop it up are as a twisting river that never ends.
Reminds me of the Beatle's Song, "Oh Long and Winding Road, du dum!!"
Catholics that stick to believing Jesus only according to the Scriptures for salvation and redemption are members of the body of Christ, and always have been. It's those that go off into sacred traditions and myths of pagans that get sidetracked into idolatry.
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God; and the head of God is Mother of God.
Will the Mariologists call Her Mother of the Almighty God and Father?
Or else say the Son is not God even as the Father?
Or will they create some in-between Godhood for the Son, so they can squeeze Mary in as God the Wife of God the Father?
The Paganism of Vesta renamed Mary creates such ridiculous scenarios to avoid.
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
This is how confusion comes into the body of Christ, through false doctrine of Jews or Christians. And the meandering turns it takes to prop it up are as a twisting river that never ends.
Reminds me of the Beatle's Song, "Oh Long and Winding Road, du dum!!"
Catholics that stick to believing Jesus only according to the Scriptures for salvation and redemption are members of the body of Christ, and always have been. It's those that go off into sacred traditions and myths of pagans that get sidetracked into idolatry.
Nestorianism (5th Century) This heresy taught Mary only gave birth to Jesus’ human nature. The founder the heresy, Nestorius, did not even want Mary to be called “Mother of God” but instead wanted her to be called “Mother of Christ”.
Nestor only chipped away at the top of the iceberg: Christians that are under no influence of Marianism at all, don't even want that good woman to be called Mother of Christ. The only 'human nature' He had was the flesh, but His soul and Being was God.
There is no such thing as being 'dual natured', which is a double minded soul: the soul is either God's or dead.
Mary was neither mother of God nor of Christ, but was simply the woman the body of Christ was made of, which she gave birth to:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
The body of the Son begotten only of God, was made of the flesh of the woman only, and also made under the law by circumcision of the flesh on the 8th day according to the law.
Mary was mother only of the flesh, even as circumcision was only of the flesh.
Mariology like all idolatry is the creation of the carnal mind that sees no difference between Spirit and flesh, because all they can see with their eyes is flesh.
This explains why they are therefore trying to believe and live by sight, through 'miraculous' appearance of their idols in statues, trees, the clouds, and bathrooms in Texas gas stations:
Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Nestor only chipped away at the top of the iceberg: Christians that are under no influence of Marianism at all, don't even want that good woman to be called Mother of Christ. The only 'human nature' He had was the flesh, but His soul and Being was God.
There is no such thing as being 'dual natured', which is a double minded soul: the soul is either God's or dead.
Mary was neither mother of God nor of Christ, but was simply the woman the body of Christ was made of, which she gave birth to:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
The body of the Son begotten only of God, was made of the flesh of the woman only, and also made under the law by circumcision of the flesh on the 8th day according to the law.
Mary was mother only of the flesh, even as circumcision was only of the flesh.
Mariology like all idolatry is the creation of the carnal mind that sees no difference between Spirit and flesh, because all they can see with their eyes is flesh.
This explains why they are therefore trying to believe and live by sight, through 'miraculous' appearance of their idols in statues, trees, the clouds, and bathrooms in Texas gas stations:
Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Illuminator
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Sorry, but the mother of Jesus is not a reusable incubator. We honor Mary because God honored her first. That's no twist.
Mary is the mother of the entire person of Christ who is God and our salvation
Hence mother of God and mother of our salvation!
Hence mother of God and mother of our salvation!
Sorry, but the mother of Jesus is not a reusable incubator. We honor Mary because God honored her first. That's no twist.
No you are right. Wrong choice of words my apologies if I offended you.
David in NJ
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Hence, heretical teachings from the mother of harlots = Revelation ch17
Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”
So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written:
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,
THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
OF THE EARTH.
I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Sorry, but the mother of Jesus is not a reusable incubator.Sorry, but the mother of Jesus is not a reusable incubator. We honor Mary because God honored her first. That's no twist.
Is that what Mariologists think of faithful wives and mothers of several children?
So they have to conjure up some ever-virgin untainted by dirty man?
Sounds like the feminazi crowd.
David in NJ
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Sorry, but the mother of Jesus is not a reusable incubator. We honor Mary because God honored her first. That's no twist.
Please define what you mean by this "reusable incubator" ?
Do you believe it is sinful for women to be married and fulfill the God given command to reproduce?
Mary was married to Joseph as was ordained by God = a marriage made in Heaven.
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”
So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife,
and did not know her until she had brought forth her firstborn Son.
And he called His name Jesus.
#1. God hates divorce.
#2. God never told Joseph that Mary was not his wife.
#3. God ordained Joseph and Mary to have children from their marriage after Jesus was born.
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Only begotten: MonoGenus
Mono is for only and is for alone.
God the son was begotten of the Father alone: None other begat Him.
Only God alone can beget God, and only God can begotten of God alone, and not of man nor woman.
There is none other than the Father who begat the Son. No mother begat the Son, which would have to be God the Mother.
Mariologists are idolaters who bring in the damnable heresy of God the Mother, who begat the God the Son.
God bless every Christian identifying themselves as Catholic, who trust alone in the Son Jesus Christ for eternal salvation, and not in any other 'God' than the Father who begat Him.
Christians are MonoChrist. Mariologists are monomother. monomamma.
Mono is for only and is for alone.
God the son was begotten of the Father alone: None other begat Him.
Only God alone can beget God, and only God can begotten of God alone, and not of man nor woman.
There is none other than the Father who begat the Son. No mother begat the Son, which would have to be God the Mother.
Mariologists are idolaters who bring in the damnable heresy of God the Mother, who begat the God the Son.
God bless every Christian identifying themselves as Catholic, who trust alone in the Son Jesus Christ for eternal salvation, and not in any other 'God' than the Father who begat Him.
Christians are MonoChrist. Mariologists are monomother. monomamma.
David in NJ
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And, Jesus the man was begotten of the Father but the Son was from Eternity.
But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever,
and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.” Hebrews 1:8-9
God the Father begot Jesus, the only begotten of the Father full of Grace and Truth.
The Eternal Son of God was never created, but a body was prepared for His coming into the world.
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but a body You prepared for Me.
Hebrews 10:5
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