Do We Believe Everything Jesus Said?

[stunnedbygrace]

Good thought. Perhaps three and a half years in? Like, when the abomination of desolation stands in the temple? It does seem that way...like "mid trib"...not to veer off topic...sry.

Yeah stop it, I’m the only one allowed to veer off topic. I’m the only one authorized to derail every thread I go into.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You know, I apologized to Dave for derailing his thread yesterday or the day before. He said, oh no, not at all, you always let the Spirit lead it where He will!

 

[Nancy]

Yeah, but he’s around. I scratched my head at him just a few days ago.

 

[Nancy]

But Byrd is good at bringing up a verse you may not have considered into your thoughts.
Problem is, you have to try to figure out from what he’s said WHICH verse he’s referring to.

He can give me brain freeze, that one!
J/k @bbyrd009

 

[Nancy]

Yeah stop it, I’m the only one allowed to veer off topic. I’m the only one authorized to derail every thread I go into.

Understood, Ma'am! (at attention and saluting)

"I’m the only one authorized to derail every thread I go into"

Yes, we should stick with what we do best

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You made me laugh. Stinker. At least you’ve noted my talent.

 

[Nancy]

You made me laugh. Stinker. At least you’ve noted my talent.

Don't feel so alone, think we've all done it. Not of course as MUCH as you but, still :)

 

[Cooper]

When Jesus said we would do greater works than He did...

I have trouble with that, not because I think it's impossible but I feel it is far above me. Like I still have a long way to go seeking God before Im flowing in the same miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus did.

There was the conversion of three thousand on the day of Pentecost, the world-wide proclamation of the gospel, the salvation of so many souls, and the building of the church, after Christ returnrd to glory.

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[quietthinker]

When Jesus said we would do greater works than He did...

I have trouble with that, not because I think it's impossible but I feel it is far above me. Like I still have a long way to go seeking God before Im flowing in the same miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus did.

ie assuming that 'greater' means miracles, signs and wonders. So I think about it; if it means miracles, signs and wonders what is greater than raising someone from the dead? at least nothing I can think of. Maybe my expectation is skewed or my understanding of what 'greater' means needs revising?

 

[quietthinker]

It’s a humongous puzzle.
There are many pieces.

I join a zoom gathering of a few people where this 'humongous puzzle' is addressed without theological barrows being pushed. Subsequently questions arise that lead to unexpected solutions or further questions....come along!

 

[quietthinker]

I love talking with you guys so much. I just really do.

And then throw in THIS!
How does He come in secret and suddenly like lightning flashes, when men least expect it AND come from Bozrah with His robes stained red AND come when every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him.

And how is it that when He comes again, (if it’s at the end of the tribulation) that men will be marrying and partying and drinking? Have you READ about the tribulation? No man will be having parties or planning wedding feasts, for crying out loud, so that’s not where THAT verse goes.

lol....men join their jig saw puzzle in ways the pieces are not meant to fit and when an inconsistency is pointed out they get defensive and huffy because the sacrosanct structure is questioned in a way that threatens to unravel their mistake.....which of course is intolerable. It's easier to compartmentalise and keep the contradictions from shaking hands, nay, from even acknowledging that things don't add up.

Such is the mindset which thinks they do God service by slaying his servants.

 

[quietthinker]

This is that one mass event-- not in the world as Him coming a second time as men imagine. But rather, as Him coming, "that we should be where He is", which is in heaven.

When the clocks stop (when the end comes) for us each in our own order...we leave in our own order. But because the clocks have stopped-- We arrive together, where "every eye shall see."

The angels that turned up when Jesus departed said to the disciples 'this same Jesus which was taken up from you into heaven will so come in like manner as you saw him go into heaven' Acts 1:11

 

[Robert Gwin]

You mean, they lose any and all fear? I agree. But small human kids do that repeatedly. It’s why you have to spank them.

As for the parables, I agree. They are not meant to be read and understood by the letter. It is the spirit of them that imparts the life of the word to a man. And humility.

So go on. :) We want to hear what you see in the parable. It’s what the thread’s about - everything Jesus said!

Sure Grace will be glad to. The parable was about a change in rulership over God's people. When Jesus came to earth, they had gotten quite corrupt, severe class distinctions between the shepherds and the flock. The rich man is easy to identify for two reasons, who the parable was spoken in front of, and the fancy garb they wore. He was referring to the Pharisees, who had elevated themselves over the people of God. Jesus actually told them point blank: (Matthew 21:43) . . .I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.

There would be a turn around, the abused sheep referred to as amaharets, would be given the Kingdom, and the rich man would seek just a bit of what they used to have by appealing to Abraham (God). but they would find no comfort as they had rejected all attempts by God to help them.

It took place just a short time later when the new covenant took effect on Pentecost of 33CE with the outpouring of holy spirit on Jesus' disciples who were gathered that day. Jehovah did keep the law covenant in effect for another 3.5 yrs though as a transitioning period. That is our take on it maam. It was a prophecy that was fulfilled rather quickly, unlike most in Scripture.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I join a zoom gathering of a few people where this 'humongous puzzle' is addressed without theological barrows being pushed. Subsequently questions arise that lead to unexpected solutions or further questions....come along!

You know what? I think, given our weak state, that’s good. But that leaven is still in the mind. It’s difficult. You pretty much have to do it alone AND meet.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sure Grace will be glad to. The parable was about a change in rulership over God's people. When Jesus came to earth, they had gotten quite corrupt, severe class distinctions between the shepherds and the flock. The rich man is easy to identify for two reasons, who the parable was spoken in front of, and the fancy garb they wore. He was referring to the Pharisees, who had elevated themselves over the people of God. Jesus actually told them point blank: (Matthew 21:43) . . .I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.

There would be a turn around, the abused sheep referred to as amaharets, would be given the Kingdom, and the rich man would seek just a bit of what they used to have by appealing to Abraham (God). but they would find no comfort as they had rejected all attempts by God to help them.

It took place just a short time later when the new covenant took effect on Pentecost of 33CE with the outpouring of holy spirit on Jesus' disciples who were gathered that day. Jehovah did keep the law covenant in effect for another 3.5 yrs though as a transitioning period. That is our take on it maam. It was a prophecy that was fulfilled rather quickly, unlike most in Scripture.

You lost me, sorry. I don’t remember we were talking about that parable.But yes, I agree with you on that parable AND I see more in it! That parable will happen again at judgement!

 

[Nancy]

ie assuming that 'greater' means miracles, signs and wonders. So I think about it; if it means miracles, signs and wonders what is greater than raising someone from the dead? at least nothing I can think of. Maybe my expectation is skewed or my understanding of what 'greater' means needs revising?

Can "greater" not simply mean "bigger", "more", wider in scope because they will still be on the earth as Jesus work is done, He is now with The Father. Nobody seems to bite on this possibility...hmm. :)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

lol....men join their jig saw puzzle in ways the pieces are not meant to fit and when an inconsistency is pointed out they get defensive and huffy because the sacrosanct structure is questioned in a way that threatens to unravel their mistake.....which of course is intolerable. It's easier to compartmentalise and keep the contradictions from shaking hands, nay, from even acknowledging that things don't add up.

Such is the mindset which thinks they do God service by slaying his servants.

Yes, well if you try to tear down the idols of their fathers, you better be prepared.
It’s like the list of kings. And so and so did what was right in Gods sight. NEVERTHELESS, he did not tear down ALL the idols of his father.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, well if you try to tear down the idols of their fathers, you better be prepared.
It’s like the list of kings. And so and so did what was right in Gods sight. NEVERTHELESS, he did not tear down ALL the idols of his father.

There's no such thing as "half way" with God...all or nothing, no compromise. I don't recall Jesus saying anything good about Idols, God is a jealous God and will have no other Idols, gods...before Him. There is just as much P.C. within faiths as their are in politics...it's all pride and stiff-necks who will not budge, even with scriptures being so clear. Yes, some things we should never budge on...such as all salvific scripture. He does not "share" Himself with other gods or idols...and we know there are MANY idols within the church, individually and corporately...IMHO.

 

[Nancy]

You know, I apologized to Dave for derailing his thread yesterday or the day before. He said, oh no, not at all, you always let the Spirit lead it where He will!

Awesome...I don't mind derailing as long as it does not cause strife and dissentions. I kind of like how some can veer off into other subjects...unless of course, the author of the OP should be the one making that decision, I suppose.

 

[ScottA]

The angels that turned up when Jesus departed said to the disciples 'this same Jesus which was taken up from you into heaven will so come in like manner as you saw him go into heaven' Acts 1:11

Yes, which "like manner" was not like men, but like God whom is spirit.