apostles are not dead
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?
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apostles are not dead
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Bob Carabbio
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And you know exactly what I mean. They're PHYSICALLY DEAD. IF they were Born Again Christians (and not just religious Catholics) they're still alive in Heaven, along with every other Born Again Christian - ALL OF WHOM are "Saints" according to the Bible.
Yeah I know that to be canonized, Catholic "Saints" have to "prove" that they were able to "arm twist" God into doing at least a couple of things that people asked 'em in prayer for after they croak. More Roman Catholic pagan foolishness.
Didn't Jesus 'hate' what was false teaching, and often offended the religious leaders with the truth.?
Bob Carabbio
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You "Worship" your "Blessed Virgin" and your "Saints" evert time you go to them for HELP to get God to do what you want Him to.
you’re simply mistaken by fundamentalist pride that produces you’re spiritual blindness!
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!!! only in Phony "Roman Catholic Theology".
In REAL BIBLICAL Theology, there's no such thing as "Canonized Saints".
Bob Carabbio
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Or maybe - I'm NOT the one blinded by Denominational/Religious PRIDE, but the one who sees clearly right through Roman Catholic theological fantasies.
You cannot seek first a kingdom that does not exist! Matt 6:33
Only a Queen can bear a King!
Christ is King of Glory!
Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 last days began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Jesus Christ is king!
We must submit and obey the king of kings!
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23
Example of Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brothers obeyed and submitted to him. Gen 37
Gen 37:7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Obedience to Joseph is obedience to pharaoh!
Obedience to Peter and the Apostles is obedience to Christ!
Only a Queen can bear a King!
Christ is King of Glory!
Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 last days began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Matt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Jesus Christ is king!
We must submit and obey the king of kings!
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
And In the absence of the king we must submit and obey the kings ministers!
Isa 22:21-22
Matt 16:18
Matt 18:18
Matt 28:18
Lk 10:16
Jn 13:20
Jn 20:21-23
Example of Joseph under pharaoh administers the kingdom and his brothers obeyed and submitted to him. Gen 37
Gen 37:7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Obedience to Joseph is obedience to pharaoh!
Obedience to Peter and the Apostles is obedience to Christ!
hate falsehood yes but not for the sake of you’re pride!
The nature of vices and virtues!
Pride must at all times:
Protests!
In rebellion!
Say “I will not serve”!
No Protestant, fundamentalist, or charismatic can be humble!
Humility is always:
Is faithful!
Obedient!
Submission to proper authority!
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."
Jesus honored Mary so must we of we follow Jesus!
lk 10:16 he who hears you (the apostles) hears me!
Bob Carabbio
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LIke I said - nothing there about "Canonized Saints" and you'll want to Check the Original language as found in the BIBLE on those "Binding and Loosing" passages - there'll be a surprise there for you.
We do. I don't know of any Christian of any background who does not honour Mary.
Bob Carabbio
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I agree completely. There's only ONE TRUE CHURCH of Jesus Christ which is the pillar and the Ground of TRUTH.
The problem is that your Roman Catholic collection of Denominations aren't, and never were any of those things. The Roman Catholic "track record" over the last 1500 years proves that beyond any shadow of doubt.
I believe that there is and has only ever been one true Church; the church which can only be entered through the narrow gate. the Church that Jesus talked about – his bride. The biblical Church, which is made up only of those who are Born Again believers from whatever church background, or none, worldwide, past , present and future. Those who Jesus calls saints. Those who through the revelation of the Holy Spirit have seen Jesus for who he is, recognised what he did, turned from their sin and accepted him into their hearts and lives as Lord and Saviour. Anybody who hasn’t taken these steps towards him and made that commitment is not, in my view, part of the biblical meaning of Church. And in my experience many church-goers and even clergy fall outside these criteria. Those belonging to The One True Church are not from any one denomination.
Bob Carabbio
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WOW!!!! That was a vast assortment of Roman Catholic Drivel, And false self-serving conclusions about perfectly WONDERFUL Scriptures.
Bob Carabbio
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Absolutely!!! There's only ONE TRUE CHURCH, ANd all Born Again Christians from all time are part of it.
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