Put into prison because he was forgiven and then didn’t forgive. Did you read the parable?
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Put into prison because he was forgiven and then didn’t forgive. Did you read the parable?
Yes I did. He was not put into prison for reason of lack of his forgiveness. I mean, that triggered the actual reason . . . did you read the parable? . . . the reason being, he was a debtor. He owed a debt that he could not pay.
He was put into prison because he couldn't pay his debt.
His debt had been forgiven, but that forgiveness was recinded because he demanded repayment from someone else.
How do you relate this to a person who not only has their record of their dept been wiped clean, but has also been given a new life? And assurances that we will never be separated from Him again?
Much love!
That's not what reconciliation is, so I don't think you are interpreting it correctly.
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Yes I did. And the record of that debt has been blotted clean. At the cross. So this goes back to the honesty of God. He is not disengenuous. And it goes to the efficacy of the cross. It seems that you see a shorter reach of Jesus' death than do I.
Again, this is a parable, and trying to decode every detail into doctrine for our lives today isn't what a parable is.
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The man in the parable had the record of his debt blotted out too.
Is that so? I'm reading that his master loosed him, and released him, or freed him from the debt. Said he didn't have to pay it.
It's like the difference between the banker assuring you he's not going to take you to collections, or in the other case, he burns your contract, and can't take you to collections.
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Wrangler
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I agree with @stunnedbygrace. The man who was deeply in debt was forgiven his debt THEN put in prison.
This tells us he was imprisoned for a reason other than his debt; namely, his refusal to forgive. This aligns with other Scriptures perfectly.
Taken
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We agree on many things...but not that ^.
The Lake of Fire, Fire Pit, IS IN the Earth, commonly called Hell.
That which is CAST into the Fire Pit is CAST DOWN INTO the Earth, and the SMOKE from the Lake fo Fire shall rise UP able to be seen ON Earth.
Rev 19
[3] And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
The eternal torment IN the Lake of Fire Absolutely Applies to fallen angels, who ARE spirits, who CAN NOT die, and forever will suffer being separated from God.
The Lake of Fire will ALSO be where LIFELESS Body’s of men and LIFELESS Soul’s of men....WILL BE CAST into. There is no torment or suffering of a Lifeless body or Lifeless soul. (And they were never quickened, ie their spirit born again in eternal life.)
You Mention Outer Darkness...
YES AGREE, THAT cast INTO Outer Darkness does come into the scenario...
Nothing implies THAT applies to angels.
Nothing implies THAT applies to lifeless bodys or lifeless souls of men.
It is my Understanding that is Gods Great Vengeance, that Applies to “souls” of men, that “life” remains IN that Soul and is cast into the suffering of Eternal Darkness, forever separated from God.
Scripture reveals Gods Punishment UPON men WHO, took a role in Advocating AGAINST God, Preaching AGAINST God, Persecuting men BECAUSE they Believed....Eternal torments...
Glory to God,
Taken
Keep considering the implications of your thoughts on the parables as they relate to the clearly taught doctrines of our salvation.
The efficacy of Jesus' death.
All things in heaven and earth are reconciled by Jesus' death. All things in that way. That means nothing in any other way. Animal sacrifice was the one other way, and that's over, and they still only hid sins, they didn't remove them.
Only in Jesus death.
You cannot add to your reconciliation to God, and if you are reconciled you are in fact reconciled. Restored to friendship.
But is there another covenant God had with anyone that worked that way? Where your standing with God was gained or lost based on what you did and didn't do? Wouldn't that describe the Jews under the covenant of Law, to whom Jesus spoke these things?
I think you are like the one who would say God is unjust, because Jesus told a parable about not giving up on asking God for what you want. So here Jesus tells a parable about how important forgiveness is, but it's not to undermine the reconciliation Jesus was about to purchase for us . . . even when we were His enemies.
Being reconciled to God by Jesus' death while being His enemies, having now received the reconciliation, how much more so by His life?
And somehow we add to what the Son of God did for us, with a few years of pain? This needs re-examination.
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It's not time. You won't, and don't accept my answer, you need to see this yourself.
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Ah…that sounds like a cop out.
Tell us what the parable means. Once again, you’ve only told us what it can’t mean, not what it does mean.
When will it be time?
I figured you'd likely take it that way. You need to see this yourself. You need to learn how to understand a parable without the opportunity to just flatly reject what you think it doesn't say.
Find the harmony.
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Who did Jesus tell these parables to? In what time? To whom does it apply? Find the harmony.
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Wrangler
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Again, completely missing the point. Your theory is THE ONLY REASON anyone ever goes to prison is debt.
Oceanprayers
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I thought the whole population of those faithful to Christ is what constitutes the church?
And that's why the verse in 1st Corinthians that tells us if you destroy God's temple, He will destroy you is referring to murdering one another, or even includes those in the world or the church who would try to lead us out of the faith.
And that's why the verse in 1st Corinthians that tells us if you destroy God's temple, He will destroy you is referring to murdering one another, or even includes those in the world or the church who would try to lead us out of the faith.
BarneyFife
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