Secure Eternal Salvation

[Pearl]

that’s the difference between true Christians and you heretics

Well it's a good job burning at the stake is no longer allowed.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

name one
Be specific

Catholic lie: 'Righteousness apart from works' actually means 'righteousness apart from just works by themselves'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

The problem with this whole "conditional" idea of salvation

Salvation is conditional on continued believing.

"By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." 1 Corinthians 15:2​

It used to be that both OSAS and not OSAS agreed on this. It's just that the original OSAS said the true believer could never stop satisfying that condition. Now we have a new OSAS that says not even continuing to believe is required to be saved. Despite the fact that scripture states in more than one place that one must hold firmly to what they heard in the beginning to be saved.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you had fact, I would be open.
But all you have is speculation and YOUR truth.

so yeah

YAWN

Speculation?
I gave you historical fact as recorded by Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

And, there is only Truth (John 14:6) - not your "truth" or mine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...Ya think Saul went went place to place taking a poll if believers were converted or not?

And by that idiotic logic - I don't believe that YOU did eaither.

Funny how YOU can reads the hearts of 1st century Christians when the Bible tells us that only GOD knows the hearts of men (1 Kings 8:39).

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Fact is “individuals” decide what “name tag” applies to “themselves”, except for people like you, who thinks it’s okay for YOU to decide what to “CALL” them.

The Fact is “atheist” is defined too....
shall it be okay for me to “call you” that....like YOU decide for others “WHAT” you “CALL” them?

Unfortunately for YOU - you don't understand what an idiotic comparison that it.
"Protestant" was defined LONG before I ever entered this world.

And, it's clear to any thinking person on this forumthat I'm NOT an atheist.
An atheist rejects the existence of God.

Maybe YOU should invest in a dictionary . . ..

 

[theefaith]

Well it's a good job burning at the stake is no longer allowed.

do you know what is at steak? Usually a baked potato!

 

[Taken]

And by that idiotic logic - I don't believe that YOU did eaither.

Funny how YOU can reads the hearts of 1st century Christians when the Bible tells us that only GOD knows the hearts of men (1 Kings 8:39).

You trying to speak for me AGAIN, is still a FAIL!

I said nothing about reading the hearts of ANYONE.

 

[theefaith]

Catholic lie: 'Righteousness apart from works' actually means 'righteousness apart from just works by themselves'.

Works alone yes!

 

[Taken]

Unfortunately for YOU - you don't understand what an idiotic comparison that it.
"Protestant" was defined LONG before I ever entered this world.

And, it's clear to any thinking person on this forumthat I'm NOT an atheist.
An atheist rejects the existence of God.

Maybe YOU should invest in a dictionary . . ..

When did you quit being an atheist?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Speculation?
I gave you historical fact as recorded by Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary.

And, there is only Truth (John 14:6) - not your "truth" or mine.

Ok. So you get your truth from a dictionary

I get mine from the inspired word of God

good luck

 

[GodsGrace]

We know 'belief' and 'faith' are the same thing from this:

“Abraham believed (pisteuo) God, and it (pisteuo) was credited to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:3​

'Believed' is the same word as in James 2:19 where James talks about the demons who also 'believe' (pisteuo). The difference is the demons believing does not justify because they believe something about God (God is the one and only God), not believe God's promise as Abraham did.

If you need further proof that a 'belief' and 'faith' are the same thing (pistis in the Greek) consider the fact that right in James' passage he equates the belief the demons have with the same belief a person may have and calls that dead faith, and a faith that can not save.

FB
You're right that belief and faith in the N.T. is the same...
The problem is that there are two types of BELIEVE/BELIEF in the English language.

One is a belief of the mind.
I can believe that I am going to work tomorrow.
This is a mind belief.

But when the N.T. speaks of belief, it means the Greek type of BELIEVE/BELIEF.
This is a heart belief.
When we say that we believe in Jesus, we mean that we trust Him and follow Him and have faith in Him.

So the demons KNOW that God/Jesus exist...
this is the mind belief.

But demons do not BELIEVE in God/Jesus the way we do.
It is not a heart belief...
It is not a salvific belief.

 

[ScottA]

Salvation is conditional on continued believing.

"By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you." 1 Corinthians 15:2​

It used to be that both OSAS and not OSAS agreed on this. It's just that the original OSAS said the true believer could never stop satisfying that condition. Now we have a new OSAS that says not even continuing to believe is required to be saved. Despite the fact that scripture states in more than one place that one must hold firmly to what they heard in the beginning to be saved.

That doesn't even make sense, nor is it the gospel.

Anyone who is actually saved, no longer "believes", but knows the gospel and embodies it...which is a struggle in the flesh, but easy in the Spirit.

But that struggle is passing away in death, for which there is no more condemnation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ok. So you get your truth from a dictionary
I get mine from the inspired word of God

good luck

You got "your truth" about your Ptotestant Fathers divorcing themselves from the Church in the 16th century from the Bible??

Can you shoe me the Capter and Verse?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You trying to speak for me AGAIN, is still a FAIL!
I said nothing about reading the hearts of ANYONE.

Not true.

YOU said that Sauol DIDN'T persevute the Church - that he persecuteedd "unconverted believers".
Youw own idiotic words from post #1515:

Yes Saul persecuted men and woman,

“unconverted” believers, before Saul became Converted

The ninle says nothing about them being "unconverted".
It states plainly that Saul persecuted the CHURCH . . .
1 Cor.15:9
For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the CHURCH of God.

Philippians 3:5-6
… circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews (Saul); concerning the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the CHURCH; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

How does that foot in your mouth taste?

 

[BreadOfLife]

When did you quit being an atheist?

When did YOU quit being a thinking person?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You got "your truth" about your Ptotestant Fathers divorcing themselves from the Church in the 16th century from the Bible??

Can you shoe me the Capter and Verse?

Lol, I got my truth from the word

I do not listen to men, thats your modus operendi

 

[Taken]

How does that foot in your mouth taste?

Nothing new....Old and boring circle of spitting out gaslighters.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol, I got my truth from the word
I do not listen to men, thats your modus operendi

In other words - you can't show me from Scripture ANYTHING about giving your 16th century Protestant Fathers permission to splinter off ito their own sects that teach different and conpeting doctrines.

That's what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Nothing new....Old and boring circle of spitting out gaslighters.

And yet, you STILL can't refute the Scriptural proof that Saul persecuted the Church - and NOT a bunch of "unconverted believers" (1 Cor.15:9, Phil3:5-6).

Good job . . .