Understanding the Trinity.

[Pierac]

another verse showing the Trinity

2 Corinthians 13:14

The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

This verse has nothing to do with Jesus being God or any part of some Trinity!

Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

The New Testament clearly states Jesus has a God both before and after his resurrection. We know the Bible does not contradict.

So Please explain how Jesus has a God….

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him!!!

John 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— Why do you not know Scott???

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Scott, your mediator is a Man named Jesus

1 Peter 1:3. "Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has caused us to be born-again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"

Joh 20:17 Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

Pay attention to the verse above Scott… Jesus has a God and Father just like you and me!
Wait… there’s more…

Rev 3:2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.

Rev 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

Sorry Scott, but you will never be a pillar in the Temple of any Trinity… But only in the Temple of the God of Jesus as … he clearly states in Rev 3:12!!!

I have news for you Scott… You claim that others who believe that only the Father is God, and Jesus is his Chosen agent (Christ) whom God created in the womb of Mary are not Christians. This is not cool!!!

Get ready for these words Scott… Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

You see Scott… These Men knew the power of using Jesus name… They cast out demons and preformed miracles, Yet they did not actually know Jesus… How can that be??? Perhaps they believed he was part of some Trinity instead of being the agent of God and future King of Israel? Are they like you confuse and mix up about that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit .

Guess we will find out who right in the end.
Peace, and don’t hate other who disagree!

 

[Pierac]

Trinity verse
2 Corinthians 1
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Paul taught just like Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost...

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know--

Pay attention to the scriptures and stop picking verses out of context.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Who doeth the works Scott? God through Jesus or Jesus all by Himself? What do the scriptures say??? he (GOD) doeth the works.

"Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has caused us to be born-again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead" (1 Peter 1:3).

"God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ… has blessed us… in Christ. He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself” (Eph.1:3-5).

Always God the Father is the source and origin of all works, deeds and salvation which come to us through the mediatorship of his son. From Him comes all to us through our Lord Jesus Christ so that to God the Father made all the praise be directed. The Father is the sole origin and Creator of "all things." In contrast, Jesus is the Father's commissioned Lord Messiah through whom God's plan for the world is coming to completion. The whole Bible from cover to cover categorically states that God created the universe and all the ages with Jesus Christ at the center of his eternal purpose.

 

[Wrangler]

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Another Golden Nugget.

 

[Scott Downey]

God made man in His image, according to His likeness.
Now think about it this way, it is not all that abstract.
Man is spirit, soul, and body. 3 parts to make the whole individual man, who is also all of one being.
God is Christ (the incarnation of the body), Father (the soul or mind of the LORD GOD) Holy Ghost (Spirit of the Lord), 3 parts to make the whole God, they are all of one being.
The creation of man also shows the Trinity.

Adam begot a son after his image, in his own likeness

1. Genesis 1:26
   Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”
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2. Genesis 1:27
   So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
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3. Genesis 5:3
   And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
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4. Genesis 9:6
   “Whoever sheds man’s blood, By man his blood shall be shed; For in the image of God He made man.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ is the only form of God that become incarnate, meaning God gave to Him a body.
Hebrews 10
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.
10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

 

[Scott Downey]

The soul of God
Jeremiah 5
28 They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

29 Shall I not visit for these things? saith the Lord: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Isaiah 1:13-15

13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Isaiah 42:1-3

1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ also has a soul, an incarnate being who is one with the LORD God would also have a soul, God's soul, they are joined together as one.

1. Isaiah 53:10
   Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
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2. Isaiah 53:11
   He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
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3. Isaiah 53:12
   Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
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[Scott Downey]

1. Matthew 3:16
   And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
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2. Matthew 12:28
   But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Christ is united as one Spirit with God, God demonstrates that to man when He was baptized by John in a visible way
And Christ casts out devils by the Spirit of God.

 

[Scott Downey]

This verse has nothing to do with Jesus being God or any part of some Trinity!

Deu 4:35 "To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him….39 "Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

Deu 32:39 'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isa 44:6 "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

The New Testament clearly states Jesus has a God both before and after his resurrection. We know the Bible does not contradict.

So Please explain how Jesus has a God….

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him!!!

John 8:40 "But as it is, you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God; this Abraham did not do.

Act 2:22 "Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know— Why do you not know Scott???

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Scott, your mediator is a Man named Jesus

1 Peter 1:3. "Blessed be God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has caused us to be born-again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead"

Joh 20:17 Jesus *said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"

Pay attention to the verse above Scott… Jesus has a God and Father just like you and me!
Wait… there’s more…

Rev 3:2 'Wake up, and strengthen the things that remain, which were about to die; for I have not found your deeds completed in the sight of My God.

Rev 3:12 'He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will not go out from it anymore; and I will write on him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God, and My new name.

Sorry Scott, but you will never be a pillar in the Temple of any Trinity… But only in the Temple of the God of Jesus as … he clearly states in Rev 3:12!!!

I have news for you Scott… You claim that others who believe that only the Father is God, and Jesus is his Chosen agent (Christ) whom God created in the womb of Mary are not Christians. This is not cool!!!

Get ready for these words Scott… Mat 7:22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

You see Scott… These Men knew the power of using Jesus name… They cast out demons and preformed miracles, Yet they did not actually know Jesus… How can that be??? Perhaps they believed he was part of some Trinity instead of being the agent of God and future King of Israel? Are they like you confuse and mix up about that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit .

Guess we will find out who right in the end.
Peace, and don’t hate other who disagree!

A strange attacking obfuscation. You know your opinion of the Trinity goes against the entire church of many centuries time as a strange doctrine and heresy.

 

[Bob Estey]

Then you don't subscribe to the trinity.

As I've shown in words, and diagram, you must accept that God is 3 individual persons.

You do not, so you do not embrace the trinity, man-made doctrine.

Remember this from the 1st post of this thread?


Good for you. You have overcome one of the biggest deceptions in church history.

Rejoice.

No, apparently I don't subscribe to your definition of the Trinity.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

If you defy the doctrine of the Trinity, it is very possible that you are not saved. It comes down to are you not attributing to Jesus what you should be.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

None of that is scripture.

every part of the WCF is Biblical. You speak like all the other heretics on here. You are wrong on just about every aspect i have seen you write about.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It appears as if the trinity is deeply entrenched in the minds of those who have been indoctrinated with the concept for most of their lives, and yet the doctrine did not become official church teaching until the fourth century. How odd. But not unexpected as Jesus and the apostles foretold that an apostasy would overtake Christianity in exactly the same way as it did Judaism.
So over three hundred years of apostate thinking produced the trinity which Jesus never taught and which NO scripture ever mentions. Back in the first century the apostles were trying even then to restrain the inevitable falling away to “the traditions of men”. (Matthew 15:7-9; Isaiah 29:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 6-12)

If any trinitarian can produce a single clear statement from either Jesus or his Father that they are part of a triune ‘godhead’, I would like to see it. Every scripture so far has the trinity inferred, but never directly stated.....why is that? If the true nature of God is not what was revealed to ancient Israel through Moses, and to the first century Christians through Jesus Christ, then why did it take over 300 years after Jesus’ death to make the Father, Son, and the holy spirit, into one God?

Out of the three main “Abrahamic” faiths in the world, only Christendom has made God into a trinity. Judaism and Islam have never even entertained such a concept. All three faiths trace their ancestry back to “father Abraham”.

If Jesus never once said that he was God incarnate, then the trinity is a fraud.....a deception to get God’s worshippers to break God’s law without even being aware that they are doing so.....the deceiver has many hoodwinked, and I believe that it will cost them dearly as Jesus will reject “many” at the judgement for being “lawless”. (Matthew 7:21-23) If they consider themselves to be good “Christians” then why is Jesus telling them he “never knew” them? NEVER means “not ever”.......so right from the start, when these erroneous doctrines were infiltrating what became “Christianity” in Roman Catholicism in the early centuries....this is what Jesus is addressing....the “weeds” that he warned would infiltrate the Christian Church. (Matthew 13:24-30; 36-42) People act as if that never happened. Christendom is living proof that it did.

 

[GEN2REV]

No, apparently I don't subscribe to your definition of the Trinity.

That's pretty boring. MY definition?

I've shown that it's the official definition, the diagrammed definition, the WCF's definition and the OP's definition.

You refuse to correct yourself, as usual, and refuse to accept that you've been misled by decades of false teaching in the church.

Cognitive Dissonance.

 

[GEN2REV]

If you defy the doctrine of the Trinity, it is very possible that you are not saved. It comes down to are you not attributing to Jesus what you should be.

CLASSIC.

That's exactly what the Roman Catholic Church said to tens of millions of Holy Spirit-filled, Bible-Believing Christians before beating and torturing them to death.

I guess if you don't believe God is three people, you should be brutalized until you do.

 

[Bob Estey]

That's pretty boring. MY definition?

I've shown that it's the official definition, the diagrammed definition, the WCF's definition and the OP's definition.

You refuse to correct yourself, as usual, and refuse to accept that you've been misled by decades of false teaching in the church.

Cognitive Dissonance.

Well, I believe there is one guy up there, not three.

 

[GEN2REV]

every part of the WCF is Biblical.

Quite clearly not.

You speak like all the other heretics on here. You are wrong on just about every aspect i have seen you write about.

According to you, I'm wrong.

Every doctrine you have taught and supported here is completely unbiblical.

At least I stand on scripture. What do you have to stand on? Traditions of men? Like sand through God's hands. Good luck with that, Sinner.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Quite clearly not.According to you, I'm wrong.

Every doctrine you have taught and supported here is completely unbiblical.

At least I stand on scripture. What do you have to stand on? Traditions of men? Like sand through God's hands. Good luck with that, Sinner.

according to the Bible you are wrong.
The WCF comes straight from the Bible. But you heretics dont understand that, it confuses you.
Heres the WCF with every Biblical scripture to prove its truth.
https://www.opc.org/documents/CFLayout.pdf

 

[GEN2REV]

according to the Bible you are wrong.
The WCF comes straight from the Bible. But you heretics dont understand that, it confuses you.
Heres the WCF with every Biblical scripture to prove its truth.
https://www.opc.org/documents/CFLayout.pdf

Of all the Classic cases of shooting oneself in the foot.

Check out page 149, Sinner.

It completely contradicts your OSAS convictions.

Chapter 33 Of the Last Judgment
1. God hath appointed a day, wherein he will judge the world, in righteousness, by Jesus Christ, to whom all power and judgment is given of the Father. In which day, not only the apostate angels shall be judged, but likewise all persons that have lived upon earth shall appear before the tribunal of Christ, to give an account of their thoughts, words, and deeds; and to receive according to what they have done in the body, whether good or evil.

That's a doozy for you.

I guess being a Lifelong Sinner isn't such a great thing after all, is it?

Wowzers.

 

[Wrangler]

If Jesus never once said that he was God incarnate, then the trinity is a fraud

Well, putting aside the desperate reaching of what Jesus said to mean he was claiming to be a deity, it is beyond any doubt that there is no verse where Jesus taught the trinity doctrine. An inconvenient fact: Jesus never taught the trinity.

Again, they'll desperately reach for who to baptize in the name of. But again, their existence is not the trinity doctrine. Some here assert you cannot be saved if you don't believe in the trinity. It's such an important doctrine that nowhere in 66 books is this mentioned once!