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Ferris Bueller

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each congregation has people in it who have the authority to decide what the truth is?
Yes. We don't just blindly go with what a person tells us is the truth because they insist they are the one's who determine what is truth, and what is not, as you do.
 
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Ferris Bueller

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Instead of making generic statements that the ones who have been anointed by God teach the Truth, PLEASE explain to me how we identify those people?
We know them by if they teach in accordance with the original apostles and authors of the Bible and the witness of the Spirit.

...but as i previously pointed out they all taught DIFFERENT truths. So your list can’t be accurate if they all taught different things…..
But we also recognize that there are matters of non-salvific importance that the Bible does not fully reveal and are matters of conscience and which account for some differences of doctrine.
 
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That makes ZERO sense…….You really believe that Various gifted teachers, pastors and leaders in various organizations (all of whom teach different ‘truths’) are NOT the false teachers and leaders spoken of in Scripture. Even though all teach different things….NONE of them are false leaders?????o_Oo_Oo_Oo_Oo_O Bizarre…..what man taught you that? that is NOT in Scripture.
Some are false teachers. The difference between us and you is we have the liberty to examine, test, and challenge those who claim apostolic authority and excellence. You don't. You're told to just resign yourself to blindly accepting that those who told you they are anointed really are anointed.
 
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theefaith

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Peter is one of the foundation stones. Equal with the other 12 foundation stone.

Jesus is the chief cornerstone

The key7s to the kingdom is the gospel. it is how a person enters the kingdom is through the gospel.

They keys were given to everyone who can give the gospel.

only Peter
The keys are the jurisdictional authority of the kingdom

Isa 22:21-23
 

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not by works of righteousness (such as being obedient, giving cherity, and being patient, being baptized in water) but by HIS MERCY HE SAVED US

why are you trying to save yourself my friend? WHy do you call yourself faith. when you preach works? You name contradicts your own belief system

you cannot choose to enter the new covenant by faith alone, you must be received into the covenant by baptism

acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Charity required
1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

obedience required:
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

patience required:
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patienceinherit the promises.
 

theefaith

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Matthew 10:2 puts Simon & Andrew on exactly the same level.
Matthew 4:18-22, Luke 5:1-11. "they"

you know the truth of Matthew 16:17-19 and you have no excuse: that "Rock" is Christ, 1 Corinthians 3:11, and it isn't even the same word as 'Peter' - it is belief and faith in the deity of Jesus Christ.

Scripture puts Christ first, not a man. Colossians 1:8.

do you know anything at all about the Simeon prophecy?
Luke 2:26?

why do you think God sometimes calls Peter 'Simon' and sometimes not?
coincidence? is God very good with language? is He intentional with His Word?

Simon/Simeon is a symbol of Israel. Matthew 23:39 / Luke 13:35

stop worshipping men and a woman. such spiritual harlotry produces in you a debased mind.
worship God, and Him only

not worship
And we’re not talking about Christ
We’re talking about those who have jurisdictional authority to govern the church on earth
Those who administer the kingdom in hierarchical authority
Peter is head of the church on earth, then the apostles and thier succsessors
 

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you cannot choose to enter the new covenant by faith alone, you must be received into the covenant by baptism

acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Charity required
1 cor 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

obedience required:
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

patience required:
Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patienceinherit the promises.

You can be baptized 1000 times by your priest or pope or pastor or whoever

If you have not been baptized into the death, burial of Christ and Christ himself by the Holy SPirit of God in a spiritual circumcision done wihtout hands. Your still dead in your sin.
 

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nah,,
Your following men
I just take Jesus at his word

When he said whoever eats this bread will never die. I believe him

You don't/ You mick him by taking it over and over and over week after week. and still are not assured you will never die'
Really??

Then why don't you listen to THESE words that tell us we must cooperate with His grace ir we are in danger of losing our security? (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

As I've repeatedly warned you guys - this is the danger of cherry-picking Scripture . . .
 

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Peter is one of the foundation stones. Equal with the other 12 foundation stone.
Jesus is the chief cornerstone
The key7s to the kingdom is the gospel. it is how a person enters the kingdom is through the gospel. They keys were given to everyone who can give the gospel.
Cool.
Can you show me where the BIBLE makes this claim?

Chapter and Verse, please . . .
 

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Really??

Then why don't you listen to THESE words that tell us we must cooperate with His grace ir we are in danger of losing our security? (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

As I've repeatedly warned you guys - this is the danger of cherry-picking Scripture . . .
Why don't you listen to Jesus and take him at his word. Non of these passage contradict what Jesus said in John 6.

You cause Jesus to contradict himself

You can have that Jesus, I want a jesus that keeps his word
 
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Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
 

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christ is not here on earth governing the church Peter and the apostles and their successors are
Actually Christ sent the HS to do that.

And he is also active in that

You put to much faith in and boast men my friend. I hear no joy or boasting in God from you.

That should scare you
 
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Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Matt 5: 14 is written to every believer

Luke 22 is spoken to everyone in the room. Not just Peter.
 
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