So you support laws from the secular state to force all people,not just christians,to do Biblical things but do not support laws that would force people to follow the Bible....brilliant Aspen....what you support is sin plain and simple,the free reign of sin with consequences paid for by the state.I support freedom to make choices and face consequences while you support freedom for some and servitude for others....typical liberal wanting to pick the winners and loosers.
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So you support laws from the secular state to force all people,not just christians,to do Biblical things but do not support laws that would force people to follow the Bible....brilliant Aspen....what you support is sin plain and simple,the free reign of sin with consequences paid for by the state.I support freedom to make choices and face consequences while you support freedom for some and servitude for others....typical liberal wanting to pick the winners and loosers.
How can anything be more than a sin ?...a moral perversion is a sin.
Aspen and the Godless secular state always speak with one voice...keep your morality and give us your money....having no interest in the morality and standards that can change hearts and lives,being only interested in that which will temporarily clean up the mess and allow it to continue.....and of course keep one's prefered political ideology in power.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
LOL you guys cannot even agree with each other on how much you disagree with me or for what reason! All you guys do is fight. Don't you remember what Christ said? A house divided cannot stand.
There is a species of dog that was created by humans for fighting, but it is now extinct. The reason for extinction is because the animals could not breed without killing each other. I think it fits you guys perfectly.
You support socialsm which forces all to pay the consequences of the choices of a few
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
aspen2,
Cant quite see why you added that as we know it exists, otherwise it couldnt have been specifically condemned.
But who else would add to a sin that it exists? I dont recall ever seeing 'it exists' as part of a response to murder, or theft or malice or adultery or any other sin.
Cant quite see why you added that as we know it exists, otherwise it couldnt have been specifically condemned.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
To one who does not seem to see anything froma biblical perspective perhaps,the bible say that whatever an individual sows that shall he/she also reap....socialism says whatever a man/woman sows that shall his neighbor also reap.The principle of sowing and reaping was put in place by God to lead people to the right path narrow as it is and you say its irrelevant
- I call baloney.
Are you going to choose to walk this statement back or do I have to start quoting the things that you have actually said?
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I see, you are still trying to make this about socialism....
If I was really interested in living in a socialist state I would move to Sweden. It is obvious to all that the only reason you are throwing out this red herring is to try and discredit me - lol, whatever Strat.
I have speculated further at times, but my core belief is exactly what is written above. The problem with you quoting me is that you enjoy taking my word out of context, but if you find it necessary to do so, knock yourself out.
aspen2
and have asked you ...
"Cant quite see why you added that as we know it exists, otherwise it couldnt have been specifically condemned."
You are trolling. I have told you I know it exists and have said "But who else would add to a sin that it exists? I dont recall ever seeing 'it exists' as part of a response to murder, or theft or malice or adultery or any other sin."
and have asked you ...
"Cant quite see why you added that as we know it exists, otherwise it couldnt have been specifically condemned."
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
And you refuse to acknowledge the difference between the sin of homosexuality and the sins of murder, theft, malice, or adultery, which is the involvement of two consenting adults so why are you even bothering to have another circular discussion?
aspen2,
You are still trolling; your response still doesnt address the point put to you that they all exist yet I have never heard anyone say 'theft exists you know.'
Besides, theft and murder arent necessarily between two adults, or even consenting ones.
You are still trolling; your response still doesnt address the point put to you that they all exist yet I have never heard anyone say 'theft exists you know.'
No. You do. 'Consenting adults' is the world's criteria. God's is that sexual sin, unlike other sin, is sin against ones own body, which is given as, and for holy living as a temple. (ie 1 Cor 6)
Besides, theft and murder arent necessarily between two adults, or even consenting ones.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
You are not in control of this conversation, BMS. I am not responsible for trying to guess and then produce the answer you want from me. I will give you my opinion - take it or leave it. I am not going to bother trying to clarify 'consenting adults' for the third time - you know exactly what I mean, you just don't like it. Tough.
Aspen2,
Hopefully that is now clear and you wont make the same error.
So are you clear now? 'Consenting adults' is the world's criteria, you wont find it as a criteria for sin in God's Biblical testimony, but you will find non-believers citing it. For God’s purposes sexual sin, unlike other sin, is sin against ones own body, which is given as, and for holy living as a temple. (ie 1 Cor 6)
Hopefully that is now clear and you wont make the same error.
-- Quoting you verbatim and including the previous comment you are speaking about is "taking out of context." Uh huh....
You have actually shown time and time again that your position goes well beyond, " I believe homosexuality is a sin AND I believe people who choose not to follow God's laws should be able to live in a manner that God allows them to live, which includes homosexuality"
1. You state that a person who votes against Gay Marraige is "violating the Civil Rights of homosexuals" and you felt they should be punished.
You have held this position even though the U.S. gov't states it is not a violation of civil rights and the Supreme Court finds laws against gay marraige to be Constitutional.
2. You have falsely claimed that Christians vote against Gay Marraige because they are trying to convert homosexuals,
3. The official stance of your church is to not support Gay Marraige and your Pope said flat out that Gay Marraige will lead to the complete destruction of society as we know it..........yet you say you don't have to listen to him because he didn't say it "Ex Cathedra".......something that has only been done TWICE in the history of the Catholic church.
However, you choose to accepted and defend many other Catholic beliefs and edicts that were not given "Ex Cathedra" and arguing their validity because the church's stance. Tranlsation: Cafeteria Catholic.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Your three points do not contradict my stance on homosexuality, at all. How disappointing.
-- You are correct. Your stance is indeed disappointing.
Your actual statement was:
"All I have ever said about homosexuality is that it is a sin AND that people who are not Christian should be able to choose to live openly as homosexuals without legal persecution."
As I have shown, your "All I have ever said" statement is dishonest. You have said much more than that.
I shall recap for you. I encourage you to read them again:
1. You stated that a person who votes against Gay Marraige is "violating the Civil Rights of homosexuals" and you felt they should be punished.
You have held this position even though the U.S. gov't states it is not a violation of civil rights and the Supreme Court finds laws against gay marraige to be Constitutional.
2. You have falsely claimed that Christians vote against Gay Marraige because they are trying to convert homosexuals,
3. The official stance of your church is to not support Gay Marraige and your Pope said flat out that Gay Marraige will lead to the complete destruction of society as we know it..........yet you say you don't have to listen to him because he didn't say it "Ex Cathedra".......something that has only been done TWICE in the history of the Catholic church.
However, you choose to accepted and defend many other Catholic beliefs and edicts that were not given "Ex Cathedra" and arguing their validity because the church's stance. Tranlsation: Cafeteria Catholic.
Honestly Aspen, dishonesty and hypocrisy are no way to support any cause....
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