Homosexuality

[mjrhealth]

Now in real simple terms, satan stands in the courtroom, looks at the homosexual points to them and cries sinner, Christ looks at satan and says, my blood has paid for their sins in full, christian stands in the courthouse, takes the side of satan, points to homosexual and cries sinner, Jesus looks at christian, and says, " my blood has paid for their sins once and for ever it is finished just as it has paid for yours".

In all his Love

 

[lawrance]

Homosexuality.... is it a sin? Yes.

But it is only a sin against God and against the body of the person committing that sin.

Are these things anything to do with the body of Christ? No.
You cannot do these things and claim to believe in Christ or love God.
But these are no different to any other sexual sin committed against the body,
All sin is an abomination to God just as adultery and any other sexual sin is no different in the eyes
of God. This is a worldly matter it is not Kingdom of God matter.

Whilst on earth we should never treat anyone differently because of a sin. yes we can as if you steal from me i will treat you.
We should not treat homosexuals differently to adulterers or even theives.
We are not here to police the humans who do not belong to God. everyone belongs to God.

Homosexuality like all sin is simply the way of the world. We know that the antichrist will rise in a Godless era. In the bible it says...


Daniel 11:36-39

King James Version (KJV)

[sup]36 [/sup]And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
[sup]37 [/sup]Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
[sup]38 [/sup]But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
[sup]39 [/sup]Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.


In our hearts the love of truth is paramount. Do you love Gold, silver, power, wealth or anything more than God?

Christ said:- " Set your hearts on the things which are heaven where rust and moths don't corrupt or decay them." There is no greater truth a man can possess than to know that God is real.
The only way to God is Jesus Christ. It isn't the sin you should be concerned with but the truth which saves them from these things. Christ is the only way to save these people but you can do nothing if they ignore the truth.

Homosexuality is a wordly issue and has nothing to do with believers. we live hear and this is a Christian country and if they don't like it they can shove off.

We get all the trash coming to our country dictating to us that they are offended with our Christian nation. i say well pack up and go because i would not go to there nation and complain.

Now in real simple terms, satan stands in the courtroom, looks at the homosexual points to them and cries sinner, Christ looks at satan and says, my blood has paid for their sins in full, christian stands in the courthouse, takes the side of satan, points to homosexual and cries sinner, Jesus looks at christian, and says, " my blood has paid for their sins once and for ever it is finished just as it has paid for yours".

In all his Love

My blood has payed for their sins ! what rubbish ! Satan pushes that line.
You are now free to sin as much as you like ( hog worship ) not Christian at all.

 

[Faithful]

Satan.

Stands as the accuser against the good. He has no reason to stand as accuser against the sinner who does not believe in God.
His case is already won against such. It was Job the good man who takes his interest. The one who does believe in God.

Now in real simple terms, satan stands in the courtroom, looks at the homosexual points to them and cries sinner, Christ looks at satan and says, my blood has paid for their sins in full, christian stands in the courthouse, takes the side of satan, points to homosexual and cries sinner, Jesus looks at christian, and says, " my blood has paid for their sins once and for ever it is finished just as it has paid for yours".

In all his Love

Jesus says, " I stand at the door and knock, if any man will hear my voice and open the door I will come in."

A person must freely accept the grace of God which is forgiveness through the truth about Christ Jesus.

Christ has obtained forgiveness for all, but not all want it. A free gift and one which is given by grace because it cannot be earned or gotten any other way.

We get all the trash coming to our country dictating to us that they are offended with our Christian nation. i say well pack up and go because i would not go to there nation and complain.

My blood has payed for their sins ! what rubbish ! Satan pushes that line.
You are now free to sin as much as you like ( hog worship ) not Christian at all.

Why would you want to carry on sinning?
I really do not understand your train of thought. We know that those who come to Christ know they are sinners and want forgiveness. No one said anything about a free pass to sin.

 

[Stan]

Homophobic, this comes across all the time. low life's push this all the time and it is a joke that Christians are pushing such a thing as we all know queers have always been around and it is just that the queers are pushing beyond the limits with the low life vermin type parading around like moronic fools. and it's this side to the so called gay life style we have to reject. but the media and PC Nazi's push all queer types as being fine and how dare you !
I never hear up standing reasonable gays oppose or condemn the moronic low life ones.

I find your post here, just as offensive if not more so than the OP and any other homophobic slurs I've heard. You sir have the language of bigotry down pat and I feel extreme shame that you call yourself a member of the Christian community. I would rather fellowship with homosexuals than your ilk.

 

[aspen]

"I stood looking at him a moment. For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal. What's all this fuss I have been making about, thought I to myself—the man's a human being just as I am: he has just as much reason to fear me, as I have to be afraid of him. Better sleep with a sober cannibal than a drunken Christian."


Ismael discovering that he had to share a bed at the Spouter Inn with a cannibal -Moby Dick

 

[lawrance]

I find your post here, just as offensive if not more so than the OP and any other homophobic slurs I've heard. You sir have the language of bigotry down pat and I feel extreme shame that you call yourself a member of the Christian community. I would rather fellowship with homosexuals than your ilk.

Hi Stan. fact is supporting the promiscuous, is the work of Satan ! it looks to me you do support such.

I am not having a go at true so called gays, as they can not help it and i do believe there is a non promiscuous type of gay. and no one i know is really offended by this lot so much, even back in the 60's etc we had this lot about and no one was really upset by them but now days there is a fascist militant nazi type dictating a whole lot of stupid rubbish and they runaround parading them self's trying to corrupt our young people and all, as if this promiscuous regressive life style is good.

Only political correct type Pagans or fools would support such filth.

 

[Kidron]

And one last item - I find it impossible to believe that Foreigner has never seen the emphasis on the condemnation of homosexual behavior within some Christian circle - especially when he just confronted Kidron for starting, yet another homosexuality thread

Actually, my thread was not about you .

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/16322-dogs-and-you/



K

 

[Strat]

When i first came here this thread was about 26 pages long,the question was is Homosexuality a Sin....the question was not is Homosexuality the only sin,not even the only sexual Sin or the worst Sin....one thing that always identifies the double minded and unsure are yes/but responses.

The yes/but response will say yes (insert Sin Here) is a Sin but......then follows an assortment of excuses,exceptions,anecdotes,circumstances,comparisons,accusations ect etc.The Bible contains no yes/but sins that i'm aware of.....this applies to any Sin..the addition of the word "but" is simply more rebellion against God and his word.

This is a prime example of the fact that Sexuality is man's favorite form of rebellion against God,its the one he excuses the most,attempts to hide the most and justify the most.

 

[aspen]

Strat - sounds like you believe that homosexuality is a sin AND the fact that it exists is an excuse. Just because God allows sin to exist, doesn't mean that sinners are excused for committing those sins. However, sin still exists in this world, no matter how much you want to condemn it in others, sorry.

 

[Strat]

Strat - sounds like you believe that homosexuality is a sin AND the fact that it exists is an excuse. Just because God allows sin to exist, doesn't mean that sinners are excused for committing those sins. However, sin still exists in this world, no matter how much you want to condemn it in others, sorry.

Drinking this early in the day ?....that makes absolutely no sense and has nothing to do with what i said..however in my post i did fail to mention nonsense as a response to the sin of homosexuality....thanks for reminding me with an example.

 

[Kidron]

When i first came here this thread was about 26 pages long,the question was is Homosexuality a Sin....the question was not is Homosexuality the only sin,not even the only sexual Sin or the worst Sin....one thing that always identifies the double minded and unsure are yes/but responses.

The yes/but response will say yes (insert Sin Here) is a Sin but......then follows an assortment of excuses,exceptions,anecdotes,circumstances,comparisons,accusations ect etc.The Bible contains no yes/but sins that i'm aware of.....this applies to any Sin..the addition of the word "but" is simply more rebellion against God and his word.

This is a prime example of the fact that Sexuality is man's favorite form of rebellion against God,its the one he excuses the most,attempts to hide the most and justify the most.

Setting aside for a min the fact that homosexuality is a moral perversion, lets just look at it from the point of view of "mother nature" or Genesis.
Ask yourself........what is the central and main purpose of sex?
And once you ask yourself this and respond honestly...... you can quickly discern just how warped homosexual sexuality is, and from this, you can deduce simply, and effectively, and truthfully, just how morally perverse IS the homosexual lifestyle .

Now what is the purpose of sex?
Its Genesis.........Its God saying......."replenish the species (by sex)"
This is the main purpose of God created sex and the 1st Law of Nature.
So, any sexuality/sex that cannot REPRODUCE naturally the species, is UNNATURAL as it is unable to fulfill the ROLE and PURPOSE of SEX according to God, and according to Nature.



K

 

[aspen]

"The yes/but response will say yes (insert Sin Here) is a Sin but......then follows an assortment of excuses,exceptions,anecdotes,circumstances,comparisons,accusations ect etc"

Strat - sounds like you believe that homosexuality is a sin AND the fact that it exists is an excuse. Just because God allows sin to exist, doesn't mean that sinners are excused for committing those sins. However, sin still exists in this world, no matter how much you want to condemn it in others, sorry.

Crystal clear. Unless I am wrong about English being your native language.

Setting aside for a min the fact that homosexuality is a moral perversion, lets just look at it from the point of view of "mother nature" or Genesis.
Ask yourself........what is the central and main purpose of sex?
And once you ask yourself this and respond honestly...... you can quickly discern just how warped homosexual sexuality is, and from this, you can deduce simply, and effectively, and truthfully, just how morally perverse IS the homosexual lifestyle .

Now what is the purpose of sex?
Its Genesis.........Its God saying......."replenish the species (by sex)"
This is the main purpose of God created sex and the 1st Law of Nature.
So, any sexuality/sex that cannot REPRODUCE naturally the species, is UNNATURAL as it is unable to fulfill the ROLE and PURPOSE of SEX according to God, and according to Nature.



K

Interesting - I guess my dogs are engaging in a 'gay lifestyle' - who knew?

 

[Strat]

"The yes/but response will say yes (insert Sin Here) is a Sin but......then follows an assortment of excuses,exceptions,anecdotes,circumstances,comparisons,accusations ect etc"

Strat - sounds like you believe that homosexuality is a sin AND the fact that it exists is an excuse. Just because God allows sin to exist, doesn't mean that sinners are excused for committing those sins. However, sin still exists in this world, no matter how much you want to condemn it in others, sorry.

Crystal clear. Unless I am wrong about English being your native language.



Interesting - I guess my dogs are engaging in a 'gay lifestyle' - who knew?

Where did i say that the fact Homosexuality exist is an excuse for it ? make sense quickly if you can.....what i said was that people who are unsure or double minded on the issue can never say that it is a sin period without adding something to it.....they usually don't have this problem with other sins.

 

[aspen]

Where did i say that the fact Homosexuality exist is an excuse for it ? make sense quickly if you can.....what i said was that people who are unsure or double minded on the issue can never say that it is a sin period without adding something to it.....they usually don't have this problem with other sins.

All I have ever said about homosexuality is that it is a sin AND that people who are not Christian should be able to choose to live openly as homosexuals without legal persecution.

You have identified people with my opinion as 'doubleminded'; you went on by stating that doubleminded people (like me) say that homosexuality is a sin BUT then give excuses for the sin.

I disagree. Once again, I believe homosexuality is a sin AND I believe people who choose not to follow God's laws should be able to live in a manner that God allows them to live, which includes homosexuality. I have included no excuses - instead I have cited God's permissiveness as a reason to allow the behavior to exist without legal persecution.

 

[Strat]

Setting aside for a min the fact that homosexuality is a moral perversion, lets just look at it from the point of view of "mother nature" or Genesis.
Ask yourself........what is the central and main purpose of sex?
And once you ask yourself this and respond honestly...... you can quickly discern just how warped homosexual sexuality is, and from this, you can deduce simply, and effectively, and truthfully, just how morally perverse IS the homosexual lifestyle .

Now what is the purpose of sex?
Its Genesis.........Its God saying......."replenish the species (by sex)"
This is the main purpose of God created sex and the 1st Law of Nature.
So, any sexuality/sex that cannot REPRODUCE naturally the species, is UNNATURAL as it is unable to fulfill the ROLE and PURPOSE of SEX according to God, and according to Nature.



K

Anyone who cannot say Homosexuality is a Sin without adding to it is either unsure,double minded or perhaps even involved.

All I have ever said about homosexuality is that it is a sin AND that people who are not Christian should be able to choose to live openly as homosexuals without legal persecution.

You have identified people with my opinion as 'doubleminded'; you went on by stating that doubleminded people (like me) say that homosexuality is a sin BUT then give excuses for the sin.

I disagree. Once again, I believe homosexuality is a sin AND I believe people who choose not to follow God's laws should be able to live in a manner that God allows them to live, which includes homosexuality. I have included no excuses - instead I have cited God's permissiveness as a reason to allow the behavior to exist without legal persecution.

Why do you not apply that across the board,you say we should not legislate biblical sexual morality yet you want to legislate charity through socialism...why the duplicity ? if people should be free to ignore Gods laws in one matter they should be free to do in other matters as well...if we are going for a Godless society lets be fair about it.

 

[mjrhealth]

The problem is, most are looking at the perfect man who chooses to be that way, but we are not perfect, We live in a fallen world and each day it only gets worse. There are many born with major deformities, they did not choose to be that way, it is the nature of this damned world we live in. So yes there are some who choose to be that way, but there are many others born that way and know no better. Can you tell which is which, I can certainly not. Again its like christians, they all say they are in Christ but for the most part many are not, the outside facade , appeareance is of a christian but the heart speaks of other things, can you tell who are in Christ, I cant except by the way they live, but even in that we could be wrong. When I stand befor Christ , and I wait to enter in. I hope He does not ask me to turn around and say, " what do you see", Lord hundreds and thouands of people", "do you know who they are", He says, No Lord tell me. These are those who you have called, liars, and sinners, and homosexuals and cheaters and fools. Oh, I might say. So now, He says, do you wish me to judge you as you see them or do you wish me to judge you as I see them. I know which choice I would make.

Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Luk_6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

In all His Love

 

[aspen]

Where did i say that the fact Homosexuality exist is an excuse for it ? make sense quickly if you can.....what i said was that people who are unsure or double minded on the issue can never say that it is a sin period without adding something to it.....they usually don't have this problem with other sins.

1. You have classified me as double-minded for adding something to my statements about homosexuality
2. You claim that double-minded people cannot talk about homosexuality as sin 'without adding something to it'
3. The only part I added to it is that homosexuality exists - that is all I added
4. The fact is that stating homosexuality exists in our world is not an excuse or whining or any other justification for sin, it is reality.

Why do you not apply that across the board,you say we should not legislate biblical sexual morality yet you want to legislate charity through socialism...why the duplicity ? if people should be free to ignore Gods laws in one matter they should be free to do in other matters as well...if we are going for a Godless society lets be fair about it.

Christians are called to serve the poor. Christians are not called to legislate the laws of God for the unsaved. Apples and Oranges.

 

[Kidron]

Interesting - I guess my dogs are engaging in a 'gay lifestyle' - who knew?


Apparently you knew as you are the exact person who tried to defend homosexuality in humans as "natural" by using the evidence of random homosexual animal sex acts found in the "wild"..


K

 

[aspen]

So which is it? I know you want it both ways, but your pagan term 'mother nature' either consists of organisms that participate in homosexual behavior or it doesn't.

 

[mjrhealth]

Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar_12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these

When one is walking in judgemnent one is not walking in love, when one is pointing fingers, they are too condeming themselves. Leave the judging to Jesus, and try to find LOVE somewhere in your heart.

In all His Love