The lies about gen 6

[Ronald Nolette]

Since God performs the marriage covenant of joining the man and woman together as one flesh, how can the women be called wives to these sons of God in His words if they were fallen angels? And would that not make it an unholy matrimony? How can God be a part of that?

Same sex marriages are happening today and God is not joining them together either to be married in His eyes. No way.

I think you are worrying too much about a word and ignoring the bigger fact that teh angels came and had sex with women. The act of intercourse is what makes one a wife. Given this is near creation, I don't worry about the term wives. The fact is the angels had sex with women and produced a hybrid race that became famous.

 

[Christ4Me]

I think you are worrying too much about a word and ignoring the bigger fact that teh angels came and had sex with women. The act of intercourse is what makes one a wife. Given this is near creation, I don't worry about the term wives. The fact is the angels had sex with women and produced a hybrid race that became famous.

Not really. A Marriage Covenant is something God performs in joining a man and a woman together for that woman to be called a wife to that man in His words.

Since angels were never created to reproduce for marrying and given in marriage, then neither will fallen angels.

What you guys are not seeing in according to your belief is why would God call fallen angels the "sons of God" in His words?

Why would God perform an unholy matrimony?

To say they were angels defeats your belief when God would not give them in marriage to call any woman a wife to them in His words.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not really. A Marriage Covenant is something God performs in joining a man and a woman together for that woman to be called a wife to that man in His words.

Since angels were never created to reproduce for marrying and given in marriage, then neither will fallen angels.

What you guys are not seeing in according to your belief is why would God call fallen angels the "sons of God" in His words?

Why would God perform an unholy matrimony?

To say they were angels defeats your belief when God would not give them in marriage to call any woman a wife to them in His words.

Well unbelievers get married apart fvrom god and they are still called wife- Once again you are focusing on this tid bit and forgetting teh simple fact angels came down and had sex with human women which is by biblical definition the act of marriage!

REmember what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 6:16
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Who are the sons of God?

Good question. I think it is the first recognition of the split in mankind between those who wanted an independent knowledge, allowing themselves self-rule, and those who chose to return to living by the word of God.

In short, it is the difference between those who chose to live by faith in God's word and those who chose to live by their own autonomous knowledge, making decisions whether to obey God's word at times and at other times to go their own way.

Faith, for me, is defined as the choice to live *exclusively* by the word of God. Failure to do so by those of faith are sins that are repented of as they take place.

Those who only sometimes choose to obey God's word are those who believe in their own independence from God. Following God sometimes may be viewed at as a form of faith. But in reality, it is a choice for independence from God, relying on God only when it is deemed as useful in the pursuit of an independent life.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Good question. I think it is the first recognition of the split in mankind between those who wanted an independent knowledge, allowing themselves self-rule, and those who chose to return to living by the word of God.

In short, it is the difference between those who chose to live by faith in God's word and those who chose to live by their own autonomous knowledge, making decisions whether to obey God's word at times and at other times to go their own way.

Faith, for me, is defined as the choice to live *exclusively* by the word of God. Failure to do so by those of faith are sins that are repented of as they take place.

Those who only sometimes choose to obey God's word are those who believe in their own independence from God. Following God sometimes may be viewed at as a form of faith. But in reality, it is a choice for independence from God, relying on God only when it is deemed as useful in the pursuit of an independent life.

Well by your own definition, these "sons of God" chose not to live by the Word of God and thus not sons by your definition.

But if we let the Bible speak for itself and see that the term "sons of god" in the only other two times used in teh OT are angels, we know these are angels as well.

 

[Christ4Me]

Well unbelievers get married apart fvrom god and they are still called wife- Once again you are focusing on this tid bit and forgetting teh simple fact angels came down and had sex with human women which is by biblical definition the act of marriage!

REmember what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 6:16
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

Actually that is saying any joining of a man and a woman outside of marriage is fornication thus a sin, making the woman a harlot as well as the man since it takes two to commit adultery and so it takes two to commit fornication or harlotry.

When joined in marriage, they become one flesh per His words in God performing that marriage covenant, thus avoiding fornication.

1 Corinthians 7:1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

 

[theefaith]

I think you are worrying too much about a word and ignoring the bigger fact that teh angels came and had sex with women. The act of intercourse is what makes one a wife. Given this is near creation, I don't worry about the term wives. The fact is the angels had sex with women and produced a hybrid race that became famous.

RN
Where is any evidence that angels had sex?

 

[theefaith]

Good question. I think it is the first recognition of the split in mankind between those who wanted an independent knowledge, allowing themselves self-rule, and those who chose to return to living by the word of God.

In short, it is the difference between those who chose to live by faith in God's word and those who chose to live by their own autonomous knowledge, making decisions whether to obey God's word at times and at other times to go their own way.

Faith, for me, is defined as the choice to live *exclusively* by the word of God. Failure to do so by those of faith are sins that are repented of as they take place.

Those who only sometimes choose to obey God's word are those who believe in their own independence from God. Following God sometimes may be viewed at as a form of faith. But in reality, it is a choice for independence from God, relying on God only when it is deemed as useful in the pursuit of an independent life.

The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault.

 

[Randy Kluth]

The race of man, after its miserable fall from God, the Creator and the Giver of heavenly gifts, "through the envy of the devil," separated into two diverse and opposite parts, of which the one steadfastly contends for truth and virtue, the other of those things which are contrary to virtue and to truth. The one is the kingdom of God on earth, namely, the true Church of Jesus Christ; and those who desire from their heart to be united with it, so as to gain salvation, must of necessity serve God and His only-begotten Son with their whole mind and with an entire will. The other is the kingdom of Satan, in whose possession and control are all whosoever follow the fatal example of their leader and of our first parents, those who refuse to obey the divine and eternal law, and who have many aims of their own in contempt of God, and many aims also against God.

2. This twofold kingdom St. Augustine keenly discerned and described after the manner of two cities, contrary in their laws because striving for contrary objects; and with a subtle brevity he expressed the efficient cause of each in these words: "Two loves formed two cities: the love of self, reaching even to contempt of God, an earthly city; and the love of God, reaching to contempt of self, a heavenly one."(1) At every period of time each has been in conflict with the other, with a variety and multiplicity of weapons and of warfare, although not always with equal ardour and assault.

Well said. The only exception I might make is the idea that Adam and Eve made an "eternal" choice against God. Like all children of God we at times make "mistakes," which are indeed sins, but not "fatal" ones. Thanks for the clear statement, which I would wholeheartedly agree with.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well by your own definition, these "sons of God" chose not to live by the Word of God and thus not sons by your definition.

But if we let the Bible speak for itself and see that the term "sons of god" in the only other two times used in teh OT are angels, we know these are angels as well.

It's disputable, obviously, whether the term "sons of god" can only apply to angels. We are clearly called "children of God" in the New Testament. That means that people can be "sons of God," and not just angels.

The choice to sin by Adam and Eve was by coercion, or under duress. That left an opening for God to redeem the children of Adam and Eve. We all sin, and that is not a choice to be separated from God eternally. So your argument fails, in my opinion.

 

[Curtis]

They were the faithful sons from the line of Seth who conformed and intermarried with the unfaithful daughters of Cain. This led to the state of the world in the days of Noah when he was the only faithful person in the world

That’s the seminary version, which is fallacious.

 

[Enoch111]

Can angels be married and have sex?

That is exactly what Scripture has recorded. And because these were unlawful unions ("going after strange flesh"), those angels are now imprisoned in Tartarus, awaiting their final judgment: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus [not "hell" as in the KJV], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment...(2 Peter 2:4)... And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6,7)

The offsprings of the unions between evil angels (called in the OT "sons of God" since they are direct creations of God) and human women were the Nephilim -- giants and men of renown. Their exploits are recorded in the mythologies of many countries. In the Bible angels generally take the form of human men and speak human languages.

 

[JohnPaul]

angels are pure spirits and CANNOT HAVE SEX!

gen 6 refers to taking wives

And it says men are the ones multiplying on the earth not angels

So the Nephilim never existed?

 

[theefaith]

Well said. The only exception I might make is the idea that Adam and Eve made an "eternal" choice against God. Like all children of God we at times make "mistakes," which are indeed sins, but not "fatal" ones. Thanks for the clear statement, which I would wholeheartedly agree with.

that was from the teaching of pope Leo 13

Humanum genus is a papal encyclical promulgated on 20 April 1884 by Pope Leo XIII.

 

[theefaith]

That is exactly what Scripture has recorded. And because these were unlawful unions ("going after strange flesh"), those angels are now imprisoned in Tartarus, awaiting their final judgment: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus [not "hell" as in the KJV], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment...(2 Peter 2:4)... And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6,7)

The offsprings of the unions between evil angels (called in the OT "sons of God" since they are direct creations of God) and human women were the Nephilim -- giants and men of renown. Their exploits are recorded in the mythologies of many countries. In the Bible angels generally take the form of human men and speak human languages.

the sin of Satan and his angels was pride!

hitler, Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were all men of renown, giants among men but not very tall or big

 

[theefaith]

So the Nephilim never existed?

there were giants in the earth in those days yes but it does not say they are the offspring of fallen Angels and earth women

there are still giants in the earth
Robert Wadlow
John Rogan
Jaws from James Bond etc.

 

[Randy Kluth]

That is exactly what Scripture has recorded.

You're claiming what you have yet to prove! It isn't in Scripture if you're misinterpreting it.

I realize that even in ancient times this is how that passage was interpreted. But that doesn't really sell it for me. The stronger argument seems to be that angels don't marry, because only humans marry and procreate.

There is nothing in the Bible about angels procreating. But there is a lot in the Bible about humans procreating. Furthermore, Jesus seems to say that one day humans, in their glorified state, will become like angels who do not procreate.

Matt 22.30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

And because these were unlawful unions ("going after strange flesh"), those angels are now imprisoned in Tartarus, awaiting their final judgment: For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus [not "hell" as in the KJV], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment...(2 Peter 2:4)... And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. (Jude 1:6,7)

I see how many do connect these ideas, but they really aren't spelled out as such. Angels rebelled against God by trying to carve out their own world. Humans tried to carve out their own lifestyle by adopting homosexuality. There is nothing explicitly tying Sodom and Gomorra to the idea that the "sons of God" in Gen 6 are angels.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually that is saying any joining of a man and a woman outside of marriage is fornication thus a sin, making the woman a harlot as well as the man since it takes two to commit adultery and so it takes two to commit fornication or harlotry.

When joined in marriage, they become one flesh per His words in God performing that marriage covenant, thus avoiding fornication.

1 Corinthians 7:1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

a harlot gets paid. Sex outside of marriage is either fornication or adultery. However when two join they become one flesh. Remember God didn't have a sanctuary and book to wed Adam and Eve. Marrriage happens after a couple follows whatever ordinances are required in the land and at the time and they have intercourse. In Jewish culture, if a man committeed fornication with a woman he was obliged to take her into his home as a wife.

Abraham simply paid a few sheep and fetched Isaac's bride. He had sex and they were married.

And when a man has intercourse with a harlot- the two become one flesh just like Adam and Eve!

But all this still does not negate that angels had sex with women in genesis 6 and produced a hybrid race that had special stature before the flood.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

RN
Where is any evidence that angels had sex?

All right here:

Genesis 6
King James Version

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


righteous men marrying unrighteous woman as the prevailing theory goes in many circles does not give any reason nor evidence as to why that unequally yoked union would have produced the gibborim, nephilim and men of fame!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It's disputable, obviously, whether the term "sons of god" can only apply to angels. We are clearly called "children of God" in the New Testament. That means that people can be "sons of God," and not just angels.

The choice to sin by Adam and Eve was by coercion, or under duress. That left an opening for God to redeem the children of Adam and Eve. We all sin, and that is not a choice to be separated from God eternally. So your argument fails, in my opinion.

Yes, in the New Testament era we are called the children of God. Why? because we are born again and have the spirit indwell us. This was not true in the Old Testament. God never called any of the pre Israelite saints "bene elohim", He also never called teh Israelites "bene elohim".

Once again the phrase "bene elohim" appears only three times in the OT. Twice in Job where there is no questioning they are angels and here in Genesis 6.

remember, why would these "righteous sons of Seth" be called righteous if they married the unrighteous daughters of Cain? Were there no daughters of Seth? Were none of teh daughters of Seth fair?

And why would intercoujrse between two people produce the groups called the Nephilim, Gibborim and the men of fame?

also we see the spirits who left their first habitation (heaven) and left their first estate (arche) place of autrhority, are bound in chains of darkness for ever. These are not the demons who fell with Satan for they are still free. No these are the bene elohim- who left their habitation in heaven, left their first estate principality and magistracy, and came down and saw that women were beautiful, had sex and produced the hybrid race.