The lies about gen 6

[Christ4Me]

Angels are often called "men" in scripture.

Genesis 19:5,8
[5]And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
[8]Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

The Sodomites had thought they were men. Lot did not care to inform them otherwise but tried to deferred them from their evil intentions by offering his two daughters instead in the spirit of political correctness in his day when it was wrong to say no to homosexuals.

Goodness, even Jesus was called a man. And yet we know, He is God.

Romans 5:15
[15]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

1 Timothy 2:5
[5]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Christ had existed as the God, men had seen in the O.T. before He became incarnated as the prophesied Son of man to give His life as a ransom for many. Referencing the Son of God as the Son of Man does not negate the reality that angels, let alone, fallen angels cannot marry and neither can women in scripture be called "wives" to them in scripture when God would never do an "unholy" matrimony.

Angels cannot die and neither can fallen angels for why the fallen angels are judged to be cast into the lake of fire to burn for ever and ever day & night. So wiping out their "so called offspring" by a global flood, doesn't really stop them if they really could. It is inconsistent with scripture & it makes God an unwitting party to their evil plans to prevent the Christ child from coming & yet you know God is all knowing.

 

[Taken]

You specifically stated that the sons of God were men who were led by God. That line.of logic would mean that God led men to take ungodly women....if you're saying the daughters of men were ungodly. This makes absolutely no sense.

@Cassandra

Now if “sons of God” are limited to ONLY men....how does that harmonize with:
WHEN the foundations of the Earth was being established...BEFORE man was created......the morning stars are in heaven Singing....and all the sons of God were shouting for joy...

Who are the “sons of God” in heaven shouting for joy?

Job 38:
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

 

[Taken]

Sorry but that does not mean they could not have sex when they took on human form! All that means is that in heaven there is no sex!

Right.....besides all Angels are males.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Christ4Me I'm not following your assumptions and logic .....sorry. Lol

 

[TLHKAJ]

@Cassandra

Now if “sons of God” are limited to ONLY men....how does that harmonize with:
WHEN the foundations of the Earth was being established...BEFORE man was created......the morning stars are in heaven Singing....and all the sons of God were shouting for joy...

Who are the “sons of God” in heaven shouting for joy?

Job 38:
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Exactly. That verse popped into my mind as well....confirming the sons of God are angels, as well as Adam, and (according to the NT) those who believe on Christ and are given the power to become sons of God .....born again, new creations.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They were the faithful sons from the line of Seth who conformed and intermarried with the unfaithful daughters of Cain. This led to the state of the world in the days of Noah when he was the only faithful person in the world

This would be incorrect!

You have to make loads of assumptions to arrive at this conclusion:

1. None of the daughters of Seth were pretty. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair.
2. None of the daughters of cain were faithful.
3. None of the daughters of seth were unfaithful.
4. This marriage produced famous people?
5. Why would these faithful be called faithful if they married unfaithful women? They would have to be unfaithful from the get go.

But let us look at the passage:

Genesis 6
King James Version

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


A) the term sons of God. Hebrew Bene Elohim. It only appears three times in all the OT, here and twice in Job. both times in Job it is absolutely clear they are angels. there is no reason to redefine it here, given the few times it is used. Remember Job was written before Moses edited and authored Genesis.

B) What would make a sexual union of Sethites and Cainites so different as to produce the Nephilim, the Gibborim , and the famous ones?

giants is Nephilim and the word giant is an unfortunate translation. The Hebrews who wrote the LXX used the word titanus to translate Nephilim and we translate it as titan or giant. But these were the supposed watchers.

MIghty Men are gibborim and mean valiant , brave strong warrior like!

No it is more logical and biblical as well as cultrual to see these as angels as is written in Jude who left their first estate (habitation) "6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

these cannot be demons as demons are still running around free while these angels who left their first estate are now in everlasting chains of darkness. So these are not angels who rebelled with Satan when he took 1/3 of the angels in his rebellion. This has to be another falling!

Even mythology bears a testimony to this being angels. After he dispersion at Babel, when the nations were born and the languages confounded, it is quite natural to know that the ancient truths would become corrupted over time. This happens in every generation.

so the account of angels having sex with women and producing a hybrid race of great stature and fame became the pagan mythologies of the gods coming down, marrying women and producing the demigods as is seen IN Greece, Rome, Egypt and many other cultures.

Te gods would be for example: Zeus, Hera, Odin, Isis, And the demigods (men of renown ) hercules, appolos, mars, mercury, icarus etc.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right.....besides all Angels are males.

As far as we know! All the named Angles are male names and every biblical account of angels taking human form they are always male! But yours is a sfae conclusion based on all we know.

Also when angels took on human form, they ate, deficated etc. So there isnothing saying that when they came to earth they also did not have active sexual organs. And Genesis 6 certainly says they did!

 

[Christ4Me]

Scripture does not say, angels have to change something to marry, or to reproduce. It says they do not marry in heaven.

Scriptural teaching about Angels, is they did/do have access to the Heavens and Earth. Angels that maintain their status “as a son of God”, remain holy.

Uh, God does not reproduce.

The Father is not married to Mary for Mary to be called a wife to God. Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost in the virgin Mary whom was betrothed to a man named Joseph.

Who said God did that for them? They did it for themselves....ie FREEWILL.

The marriage covenant is something God performs as in He who joins them together, let no man separate.

Therefore God would never join fallen angels to women to be called wives in His words.

~ sons of God, are spirits that are lead by the Spirit of God ~
~ Angels are created....lead by the Spirit of God and can willfully fall away, without option to repent.
~ Earthly men are created....and can willfully repent and become spirit quickened and lead by the Spirit of God, and are Kept by the Power of God from falling away.

And? Can that which is born of the Spirit reproduce something born of the flesh? Yes, Human men can do that all day long.

That is an assumption.

“ALSO”....? What and What IS FLESH?

That is a totally unnecessary and disingenuous accusation!
I have NOT ONCE, said, quoted, referenced a book called Enoch.

Wandering off on presumptions and accusations does not support your own claims or lend credence to your credibility.

Have you ever applied these warnings below to what you believe in? If not, prove that you did by pointing out popular fables that turn believers from the truth if what you believe is not one of the very fables we were warned about.

Titus 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

1 Timothy 4:7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

 

[Christ4Me]

Sorry but that does not mean they could not have sex when they took on human form! All that means is that in heaven there is no sex!

Since God performs the marriage covenant of joining the man and woman together as one flesh, how can the women be called wives to these sons of God in His words if they were fallen angels? And would that not make it an unholy matrimony? How can God be a part of that?

Same sex marriages are happening today and God is not joining them together either to be married in His eyes. No way.

 

[Christ4Me]

@Cassandra

Now if “sons of God” are limited to ONLY men....how does that harmonize with:
WHEN the foundations of the Earth was being established...BEFORE man was created......the morning stars are in heaven Singing....and all the sons of God were shouting for joy...

Who are the “sons of God” in heaven shouting for joy?

Job 38:
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

@Ronald Nolette

That was God reminding Job in how he was among the sons of God each time they came to present themselves to the Lord and to worship Him each morning in songs regarding His acts in creation. In other words, Job ought to know better.

If you recall the 2 times that the sons of God came together in the Book of Job, and Satan was among them, Job was singled out to Satan both times as being among the sons of God.

 

[Taken]

Exactly. That verse popped into my mind as well....confirming the sons of God are angels, as well as Adam, and (according to the NT) those who believe on Christ and are given the power to become sons of God .....born again, new creations.

The likening of “sons of God”....to both angels and humans....is specifically because it is both angels (ARE) and humans (HAVE) spirits, thus can HAVE a personal relationship with (Spiritual) God, which is His purpose for creating (angels and humans)....a desired love exchange.

 

[Christ4Me]

The likening of “sons of God”....to both angels and humans....is specifically because it is both angels (ARE) and humans (HAVE) spirits, thus can HAVE a personal relationship with (Spiritual) God, which is His purpose for creating (angels and humans)....a desired love exchange.

The English word "sons" was derived from "ben" which is builder of the family name.

Israel's family roots is traced back to Seth as the godly lineage that had replaced Abel.

The term sons of God is referring only to Israel's family tree in scripture and so it does not make sense to use the phrase for angels at all. Proof of this is how the family tree traced back to Adam as the forerunner of the sons of God.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

This is where you get sons of God from as pertaining to Israel's family tree.

Before Judaism, the sons of God were known by blood. Before Christ, the sons of God were known by blood lines and Judaism. No more.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Romans 8:14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Philippians 2:15That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Then you have this refuting the notion that fallen angels can sired off springs against God's will.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Know of any Special Victims Unit tracking down fallen angels having sex with women by fornication?

Know of any protests by feminists for abortion rights because the women are being raped by fallen angels to this day?

Know if Shaq's father was arrested for being a fallen angel?

If it is not happening now, nor in David's day, it isn't happening back then either.

 

[Taken]

[@Ronald Nolette

That was God reminding Job in how he was among the sons of God each time they came to present themselves to the Lord and to worship Him each morning in songs regarding His acts in creation. In other words, Job ought to know better. [/QUOTE}

Sons of God where in heaven shouting for joy Before mankind was created.

If you recall the 2 times that the sons of God came together in the Book of Job, and Satan was among them, Job was singled out to Satan both times as being among the sons of God.

Already posted, angelic “sons of God”, lose their status as a “son of God”, when they fall away. Of course “Satan” was not included in being called “a son of God”....he had fallen away. “Satan” was not called “Satan” before he fell away.

 

[Christ4Me]

[@Ronald Nolette

That was God reminding Job in how he was among the sons of God each time they came to present themselves to the Lord and to worship Him each morning in songs regarding His acts in creation. In other words, Job ought to know better. [/QUOTE}

Sons of God where in heaven shouting for joy Before mankind was created.

That is probably you wanting to believe that regardless of the preponderous of scripture saying otherwise.

Already posted, angelic “sons of God”, lose their status as a “son of God”, when they fall away. Of course “Satan” was not included in being called “a son of God”....he had fallen away. “Satan” was not called “Satan” before he fell away.

I was not inferring that Satan was of the sons of God but he was present for those 2 times when God pointed out Job among the sons of God to Satan.

 

[Taken]

That is probably you wanting to believe that regardless of the preponderous of scripture saying otherwise.
I was not inferring that Satan was of the sons of God but he was present for those 2 times when God pointed out Job among the sons of God to Satan.

You missed the point. Holy angels are “sons of God”. Men who are lead by the spirit, are “sons of God”.

 

[JohnPaul]

Are you all-knowing?? Have you been and seen the entire world throughout the ages to say of a certainty there are no more nephilim? Jesus said that in the last days, it would be "as the days of Noah were."
From what I've seen, we are in the last days. I've seen them with my own eyes, as have many survivors of satanic ritual abuse and MK Ultra.

You have seen giants? Which is what the Nephilim were

 

[theefaith]

They are angels that serve as principalities over nations and cities. They are a lower order of angels than the ones who serve God directly. They were meant to watch over men. The angelic rebellion included these principalities who refused to serve humankind but rather became convinced that they should have a permanent rulership over them. The one who convinced them is none other than the devil...himself a higher-order angel who was looking for his own glory and honour.

Are you suggesting a hierarchical order in the angelic hosts?

 

[theefaith]

In the times of Noah and before were there not Nephilim who were wiped out during the Great Flood?

Married no but in those times Angels did come down and have sex with Mortal women, hence the Nephilim, the Giants that ruled over the Earth.

angels are pure spirits and CANNOT HAVE SEX!

gen 6 refers to taking wives

And it says men are the ones multiplying on the earth not angels

 

[Christ4Me]

You missed the point. Holy angels are “sons of God”. Men who are lead by the spirit, are “sons of God”.

Not in scripture, angels are not, let alone fallen angels, and yet you are referring to fallen angels as having left their first estate taking wives for themselves so why would fallen angels be called sons of God in scripture? It is inconsistent in His words & therefore that application cannot be true.

 

[Taken]

Not in scripture, angels are not, let alone fallen angels, and yet you are referring to fallen angels as having left their first estate taking wives for themselves so why would fallen angels be called sons of God in scripture? It is inconsistent in His words & therefore that application cannot be true.

Follow the ORDER and WAY!

Holy Angels in Heaven..........”sons of God”.
Come down to Earth............”sons of God”.
See pretty Female Humans....humans out of the earth.
“sons of God”.......................take human woman as their wife.
“sons of God”....ARE NO MORE, “sons of God”, CAN NO MORE “return to their Heavenly Estate”,
.......they gave up their “STATUS”!
.......they gave up their “ESTATE”!
.......they gave up their “HOLINESS”!

They exercised their FREEWILL to STAY ON EARTH, LOSE their status, their estate, the holiness......and take human wives, have sex, reproduce....AND HEY.......
other “sons of God”, visiting earth.......SAW the “GIANT, commanding, Powerful, Fearful, offspring”.........and MIMICKED!

It IS A lesson...EVEN “angels can be opportunists, be “ GREEDY”, Use their power of SIZE and Strength to FRIGHTEN men into acquiescing to the GIANTS.

Same thing men in Sitting “POWER” positions (kings, presidents, etc.) DO...
USE FEAR....to accomplish their GREED, through FEAR and OPPRESSION!

Man has FREEWILL TOO...
Trust GOD is supreme Power.....Stand ”WITH” HIM...and (hope you do not fall into the FEAR of an evil spirit or wicked man).....
or as JESUS OFFERED...STAND “WITH AND IN” Him...(and KNOW His Power IN you will KEEP you from joining up with evil spirits and wicked men!)
or be AFRAID of Evil Spirits and Wicked men, constantly FEAR mongering to be AFRAID of THEM!