Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Christ4Me]

So your bible says this...

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The bold is how one really receives the remission of sins by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

The words are not crossed out but discerned as interjected in there that is why many believers are misled into reading is if water baptism is how the remission of sins comes about.

You may see me as ignoring those words but I say everybody that disagrees with me is ignoring the word "Repent" for what the Jews did in having crucified Jesus Christ in unbelief and they were called to repent by believing in Him which was the very same means the Gentiles had received the remission of sins as the Jews had done & Peter plainly stated it that by believing in Him is how they had received the remission of sins. Acts 10:43

My Word of God says this...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

If you apply that to mean water baptism then every one would know when one is born again of the Spirit, right? But Jesus said otherwise.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Reads to me that Jesus is comparing a contrast between Jews being born into the Kingdom of Israel by natural birth ( born of water ) and one being born again of the Spirit.

1 John 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
[8] And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

When Jesus had died, they had pierced His side with a spear where they witnessed the water & the blood separating from Him, proving He was dead. Apparently when a person is dead, the water separates from the blood when exiting the dead person's wound, proving he is dead.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

 

[user]

The bold is how one really receives the remission of sins by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

The words are not crossed out but discerned as interjected in there that is why many believers are misled into reading is if water baptism is how the remission of sins comes about.

You may see me as ignoring those words but I say everybody that disagrees with me is ignoring the word "Repent" for what the Jews did in having crucified Jesus Christ in unbelief and they were called to repent by believing in Him which was the very same means the Gentiles had received the remission of sins as the Jews had done & Peter plainly stated it that by believing in Him is how they had received the remission of sins. Acts 10:43



If you apply that to mean water baptism then every one would know when one is born again of the Spirit, right? But Jesus said otherwise.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Reads to me that Jesus is comparing a contrast between Jews being born into the Kingdom of Israel by natural birth ( born of water ) and one being born again of the Spirit.



When Jesus had died, they had pierced His side with a spear where they witnessed the water & the blood separating from Him, proving He was dead. Apparently when a person is dead, the water separates from the blood when exiting the dead person's wound, proving he is dead.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye....


"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16).

"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" (John 3:5).

"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins . . ." (Acts 2:38).

"And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" (Acts 10:48).

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death" (Romans 6:3-4).

"But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11).

"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ" (Galatians 3:27).

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism . . ." (Colossians 2:11-12).

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us" (I Peter 3:20-21)

 

[PinSeeker]

God's commands are a necessity not just suggestions men can take or leave with no consequence.

Nobody's insinuating otherwise.

(Peter's) commanding them does not "assure compliance".

It's not a commandment. It's an answer to their question regarding how to be saved.

Men are not forced to comply to God's commands but there is a price to be paid (condemnation) for non-compliance.

Well yes, but possibly no. There is no more condemnation for sin for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). That does not mean there are no consequences for sin, but there is no more condemnation.

Therefore compliance to God's command to repent and be baptized is a necessity, an essential if one does not want eternal condemnation/wrath of God....

Agreed! But the compliance itself that is brought about by the Spirit. God's salvation is not earned by man.

...there are consequences for non-compliance to imperatives.

Absolutely! But you are conflating two different things.

Compliance to the imperatives is necessary, essential to be saved/not lost.

Nope. I agree that compliance to the imperatives is necessary and essential, and the Spirit will ensure that they are carried out in us, because, as Paul says, it is God who works in us (by His Spirit), so that we then will and work for his good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). Salvation is of the Lord. It is His to give (or not) and depends on nothing that we do or do not do. Paul also says:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:4-10; emphasis added)​

That's straight Scripture, really, Ernest. If you believe them to say something else other than what they say, is that not a problem? I say it is, but you're your own person.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye....

Read this little excerpt from John 10, User:

"So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, 'How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.' Jesus answered them, 'I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep." (John 10:29-30)

Notice what he says in verse 30, there, User, "You do not believe because you are not among My sheep."

He does not say, "You are not among My sheep because you do not believe." It's the other way around:

We are first placed among His sheep, or given to the Shepard (Jesus) by the Father (this is God's purpose of election), and then we believe (and repent). As Jesus goes on to say, "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

Think about that, my friend.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[post]

Acts 10:44 "While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word."

We know from Acts 11:15 the HS fell on them "as I began to speak". The HS fell upon them BEFORE Peter spake those saving words....they could not believe what they had not heard.

Any Jew that tried to forbid water baptism would have been trying to thwart God's will in salvation going to the Gentiles. Water baptism was then commanded to the Gentiles as it was to the Jew Acts 2 making water baptism the like manner way Jew and Gentile are saved. The Gentiles could now be saved thru water baptism without becoming a Jew, that is, be saved without having to be circumcised and not be compelled to live as a Jew as Jews wrongly thought, Acts of the Apostles 15:1; Galatians 2:14

When Peter received a vision, Cornelius was lost and in need of gospel salvation, he was not 'in heaven' but lost. The vision was to prove to the Jews salvation therefore was for the 'clean' Gentiles also and not just for the Jews. From youth, Jews had always been taught to make a distinction between what was clean and unclean. God removed that distinction between clean and unclean, between Jew and Gentile. Now that all foods are clean indicates the OT law that made distinctions was now abolished/gone. Hence salvation was to go to the Gentile under the new dispensation of the gospel, not just for the Jew.

there is something quite salient you are ignoring here.

And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
(Acts 11:13-16)​

read that slowly, and recognize that the Gentiles were baptized by the Spirit before Peter ever got to any words about H2O baptism.
God declared them clean when they heard and believed what Christ had done.

QED

you are of course free to continue arguing, but your argument = over.
it's written.

 

[user]

The bold is how one really receives the remission of sins by repenting from unbelief by believing in Him.

The words are not crossed out but discerned as interjected in there that is why many believers are misled into reading is if water baptism is how the remission of sins comes about.

You may see me as ignoring those words but I say everybody that disagrees with me is ignoring the word "Repent" for what the Jews did in having crucified Jesus Christ in unbelief and they were called to repent by believing in Him which was the very same means the Gentiles had received the remission of sins as the Jews had done & Peter plainly stated it that by believing in Him is how they had received the remission of sins. Acts 10:43



If you apply that to mean water baptism then every one would know when one is born again of the Spirit, right? But Jesus said otherwise.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Reads to me that Jesus is comparing a contrast between Jews being born into the Kingdom of Israel by natural birth ( born of water ) and one being born again of the Spirit.



When Jesus had died, they had pierced His side with a spear where they witnessed the water & the blood separating from Him, proving He was dead. Apparently when a person is dead, the water separates from the blood when exiting the dead person's wound, proving he is dead.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: 34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. 35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. 36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

this is the scripture as your bible reads...

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

you claim those word are not crossed out but you ignore and claim interjection.

lets try this...

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

you also claim only repent for those Jews because they denied Christ. But you dont suppose the following verse is for EVERYONE from that time until NOW...

Acts 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

the Lord has NOT stopped calling.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

there is something quite salient you are ignoring here.

And he told us how he had seen an angel standing in his house, who said to him, ‘Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon whose surname is Peter, who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
(Acts 11:13-16)​

read that slowly, and recognize that the Gentiles were baptized by the Spirit before Peter ever got to any words about H2O baptism.
God declared them clean when they heard and believed what Christ had done.

QED

you are of course free to continue arguing, but your argument = over.
it's written.

Acts of the Apostles 1:1-5 Jesus was speaking only to His Apostles promising them the HS for Christ had promised the Apostles the Comforter who would bring remembrance of all things to them and lead them to all truth....."but you (Apostles) shall be baptized with the HS". And the Apostles being baptized with the HS was fulfilled in Acts 2. It was just the Apostles in Acts 2 that were baptized with the HS no one else. So the 'like manner way' Jews and Gentiles are saved is the command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord for remission of sins, not baptism with the HS.

Acts 11:15
"And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them (Gentiles), as on us (Jewish Apostles) at the beginning (Pentecost in Acts 2)."
Peter had to go many years back to Pentecost to find another example of the HS falling upon men as it happened with the Gentiles in Acts 10. This implies the HS falling upon man was not a common occurrence from Pentecost in Acts 2 to Acts 10. If being baptized with the HS was a common occurrence to ALL Christians, then Peter could have cited any conversion incident (as the eunuch Acts 8) and not need to go back years to Pentecost. This implies that baptism with the HS was not a common occurrence among Christians meaning it cannot be the like manner way Jews and Gentiles are saved.

God baptizing men with the HS occurs just two times, with the Apostles in Acts 2 and Gentiles in Acts 10. This fulfilled Joel's prophesy that God would pour out of His Spirit upon all flesh (Acts of the Apostles 2:16-17). "All flesh" does not mean all men universally would be baptized with the HS, but at the time of Joel they saw the two groups Jew and Gentile made up man-kind (all flesh) for one was a Jew or non-Jew. God baptized the Apostles in Acts 2 who were JEWS and God baptized Cornelius in Acts 10 a GENTILE. Thereby "all flesh", Jew and Gentile, had been baptized with the HS fulfilling Joel's prophecy bringing baptism with the HS to an end. There has been no baptism with the HS for over 2000 years for it ended in the first century. The one baptism of Ephesians 4:4-5 is water baptism of the great commission that lasts till the end of the world. Of course there are those today who 'CLAIM' they have been baptized with the HS but they have no objective, qualitative or Biblical proof of such happening.

 

[Christ4Me]

this is the scripture as your bible reads...

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

you claim those word are not crossed out but you ignore and claim interjection.

No, I am claiming you guys are misreading Peter's words when he had interjected water baptism in there when repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how they will receive the remission of sins BECAUSE Peter did not repeat to the Gentiles what you had said he meant to the Jews.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

The Gentiles got born again of the Spirit and thus saved before water baptism.

I recognize the need for God's chosen people, the Jews, to be water baptized as a public confession of being believers in Jesus Christ & now His disciple to differentiate from the disciples of the Pharisees and the disciples of John the Baptist's but that is all water baptism does, believer staking the first step in being His disciples; it is not for obtaining salvation because water baptism is not how the Gentiles received the remission of sins.

Mark 2:18 And the disciples of John and of the Pharisees used to fast: and they come and say unto him, Why do the disciples of John and of the Pharisees fast, but thy disciples fast not?

Gentiles are just sinners and not representing as God's chosen people under the Old Covenant nor being a disciple of John the Baptist's, but they are commanded after they got born again to be water baptized in Jesus's name as a first step in being His disciples in running that race.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Nobody's insinuating otherwise.


It's not a commandment. It's an answer to their question regarding how to be saved.


Well yes, but possibly no. There is no more condemnation for sin for those in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1). That does not mean there are no consequences for sin, but there is no more condemnation.


Agreed! But the compliance itself that is brought about by the Spirit. God's salvation is not earned by man.


Absolutely! But you are conflating two different things.


Nope. I agree that compliance to the imperatives is necessary and essential, and the Spirit will ensure that they are carried out in us, because, as Paul says, it is God who works in us (by His Spirit), so that we then will and work for his good pleasure (Philippians 2:13). Salvation is of the Lord. It is His to give (or not) and depends on nothing that we do or do not do. Paul also says:

"But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ ~ by grace you have been saved ~ and raised us up with Him and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:4-10; emphasis added)​

That's straight Scripture, really, Ernest. If you believe them to say something else other than what they say, is that not a problem? I say it is, but you're your own person.

Grace and peace to you.

Repent and be baptized are in the imperative mood which is a commandment...they asked what the must do and they were COMMANDED to repent and be baptized. Repentance and baptism were not just mere suggestions they could take or leave if they desired to have their sins remitted but a requirement. To argue this is not a command is weaker than water.

Nothing in the context says the HS would force compliance upon those Jews in obeying the command to be baptized. Nor does the context say obedience is earning salvation. God put conditions upon His free gift of salvation, repentance and baptism, and meeting these preconditions placed upon a free gift do not, cannot earn the free gift. Submitting to water baptism no more earns the free gift of salvation than Naaman's dipping 7 times in the Jordan earned him God's free gift of healing. If salvation were completely Unconditional then all men universally would be saved, (Titus 2:11)

Salvation is of the Lord, God does save men, therefore the question is who/why does God save one man and not another? God has made obedience to His will the separating line between the saved and lost (Hebrews 5:9) and not some unconditional, random choice God made for men before the world began. And nowhere EVER does the Bible define obedience to God's will a work of merit.

 

[post]

Jesus was speaking only to His Apostles promising them the HS for Christ had promised the Apostles the Comforter who would bring remembrance of all things to them and lead them to all truth....."but you (Apostles) shall be baptized with the HS"

Your exclusionary interpretation is incompatible with Peter's in Acts 11.

Sorry; that doesn't save your case.

 

[post]

This implies the HS falling upon man was not a common occurrence from Pentecost in Acts 2 to Acts 10. I

All the more reason to take to heart what God had done here - and just one of many emphatic key indicators in this event that salvation is from God, by grace, not through mystical ritualism, even when those rituals are carried out in obedience.

The blood of bulls and goats never took away sin, yet He commanded it. Fear God, m8, and don't forget to use the brain He gave you.

 

[Truther]

Baptism doesnt save.

Of course not...

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Jesus got it wrong and modern preachers got it right.

 

[Truther]

op: acts_2:38?
Precious friends, Only by "studying God's Word Of TRUTH, Rightly
Divided," can Satan's Confusion be Vanquished Into Oblivion!:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL:

►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄

The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Especially Luke 7:29-30;
Acts_10:37; Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians 4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 ◄◄◄)

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for
us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's
{Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!?

---------------------------------------------------
FULL "study" of ALL Bible baptisms is here:

"Divider" Poll THIRTEEN Bible baptisms

LORD JESUS, thank You for This Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, That Has Solved my Confusion. May This Also be used for the
Encouragement of Many others. Amen.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Not...

16 He that believeth and is saved shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

[Truther]

No. Peter telling the Jews that had crucified Jesus in unbelief to repent which means repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how they really received the remission of sins same as the Gentiles did.



That is not exactly what James had said nor what he was talking about. The church was disrespecting the poor as James was rebuking at the beginning of chapter 2 and the church was verbalizing their faith in God's Providence to the poor after church service in getting out of helping the poor from the bounty collected at church service. So James reference to them believing in God in pointing out the devils also believe in God & tremble was to point out their belief in God's Providence was dead in the eyes of the poor as the church's faith will not profit the poor nor save the poor seeing how the church hardly leads by example of the church's so called professed faith in God to provide.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. 19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

James referenced Abraham in regards to the offering up of Isaac as that story is well known to Jews that it was about faith in God providing.

Genesis 22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. 14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen.

The name of the place proves what faith that needs works that James was referencing Abraham and Isaac for. So the church that voice faith in God's providence should do so by leading by example to the poor so the poor can see the church's faith to profit the poor & save the poor.

So James was never talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation because it is without works. It is faith in God's Providence when sharing that faith to others, that it needs to be led by example.



Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If we had to get water baptized also for us to obtain salvation, then how can that be without works on our part?

Did Peter tell the Jews "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins?

Or...


Did Peter just tell the Jews "repent for the remission of sins"?


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Truther]

Did I suggest (see what I did there?) otherwise? No, I did not.


No, Peter encouraged, exhorted, urged sinners ~ and in these words we, by extension, are getting the same encouragement, exhortation, and urging ~ to respond positively to Acts 2:38, to God's invitation to repent of sin and believe on Christ so as therefore to receive eternal life in Christ, because the promise is for them and their children. He's saying, "Hey, you asked how, and this is how." It's a proclamation. This is what preachers and evangelists do.

Grace and peace to you.

[/QUOTE]
Is this a command or an optional request?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Christ4Me]

Did Peter tell the Jews "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins?

Or...


Did Peter just tell the Jews "repent for the remission of sins"?


38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Are there 2 gospels; one for the Jews to be water baptized for the remission of sins and one for the Gentiles to believe in Him for the remission of sins?

This same Peter said believing in Him was for the remission of sins in Acts 10:43 & Gentiles got born again in Acts 10:44 before water baptism.

Since there are no 2 gospels, you guys are not reading Acts 2:38 right for why water baptism is not for remission of sins but repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is.

Otherwise, you guys are advocating for two gospels here while ignoring Peter's call to the Jews for crucifying Jesus in unbelief to repent by believing in Him for that remission of sins.

 

[PinSeeker]

Is this a command or an optional request?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.[/QUOTE]
Neither. It's neither a command nor an "optional request." Peter is not issuing a command, nor is he making them do anything. It's an answer to a question regarding how to avoid the condemnation of God for what they had done and their sin in general, and thus to be saved... an invitation and a plea, really, for them to "make their calling and election sure" (which is the same thing) as Peter later says in his second epistle (2 Peter 1):

"Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brothers, what shall we do?'"

"And Peter said to them, 'Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.'”

Hey, I can say the same thing to you, Truther. Repent of your sin! And I need to repent of mine, too, so don't think I'm condemning you, or speaking to you from any position of authority over you, or... You understand, I'm sure. But I'm not issuing to you a command in any sense. I'm really pretty much pleading with you to join me at the foot of the cross. See?

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Truther]

Are there 2 gospels; one for the Jews to be water baptized for the remission of sins and one for the Gentiles to believe in Him for the remission of sins?

This same Peter said believing in Him was for the remission of sins in Acts 10:43 & Gentiles got born again in Acts 10:44 before water baptism.

Since there are no 2 gospels, you guys are not reading Acts 2:38 right for why water baptism is not for remission of sins but repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is.

Otherwise, you guys are advocating for two gospels here while ignoring Peter's call to the Jews for crucifying Jesus in unbelief to repent by believing in Him for that remission of sins.

So you teach the Jews must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and the gentiles can skip it for the remission of sins?

Well, Cornelius was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Also his friends and relations.

Fix that.

 

[Truther]

Is this a command or an optional request?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Neither. It's neither a command nor an "optional request." Peter is not issuing a command, nor is he making them do anything. It's an answer to a question regarding how to avoid the condemnation of God for what they had done and their sin in general, and thus to be saved... an invitation and a plea, really, for them to "make their calling and election sure" (which is the same thing) as Peter later says in his second epistle (2 Peter 1):

"Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, 'Brothers, what shall we do?'"

"And Peter said to them, 'Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.'”

Hey, I can say the same thing to you, Truther. Repent of your sin! And I need to repent of mine, too, so don't think I'm condemning you, or speaking to you from any position of authority over you, or... You understand, I'm sure. But I'm not issuing to you a command in any sense. I'm really pretty much pleading with you to join me at the foot of the cross. See?

Grace and peace to you.[/QUOTE]
I get what you are saying now....


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter SUGGESTED unto them, Repent, and DO NOTHING for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Truther]

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Read this carefully for it is required of everyone wanting to know what to do about their sinner status.

There is no alternative method to be saved.