Is believing/faith a work ?

[brightfame52]

You're belief in Luther's faith only has got you 'thinking' bazaar things like Noah could just think about building the ark and the ark would just magically appear out of thin air. Paul was incorrect when he said "work out your own salvation" he should have said think out you own salvation. James 2:25 Rahab was justified when she THOUGHT about receiving the messengers and then THOUGHT about sending them out another way. James 2:24 you see how by THINKING a man is justified. James 2:21 Abraham was justified by his THOUGHTS when he THOUGHT about offering Isaac.

Look, is believing an activity of the mind, something a person does ?

 

[brightfame52]

Disobedience to God's law or command is sin/doing unrighteousness so you are claiming men are saved not by obeying God but by disobeying God????

Since you claim obeying God is a work of merit, then if we substitute "work of merit" for "obedience" in the following verses, then we have:

Romans 6:16 Paul spoke of "obedience unto righteousness" should read works of merit unto righteousness.

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; but should say Jesus is the Author of salvation unto all then that do works of merit.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:" should read in flaming fire, God will take vengeance upon those who have no works of merit.

Romans 6:17-18 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." but ye have done works of merit that freed you from sin.

Hebrews 8:11 "by faith Abraham...obeyed" should read by faith Abraham did works of merit.

Hebrews 5:8 "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;" Christ learned works of merit by the things which he suffered.

Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." by the works of merit of one many shall be made righteous.

Is obedience something done by a person ?

 

[brightfame52]

If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by ones meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.5

 

[brightfame52]

If faith that saves or justifies before God was of ourselves it would give occasion to boast, which is contrary to being saved by grace through faith Eph 2:8-9

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Taken]

Is believing/faith a work ?
OP ^

No.

Believing is a Freewill choice of man.
Faith is a Gift from God.

 

[brightfame52]

What the carnal religionist has done in corrupting the word of truth, they have made faith, the act of believing a condition to get saved. They teach that God foresees this act of the sinner and then Hes influenced or moved to reward the sinner with salvation or eternal life. Folks that's not salvation by grace through faith Eph 2:8, but its salvation by works, by the foreseen merit of man , and its an abomination to the Lord ! They make salvation of debt, rewarding their act of believing !106

 

[mailmandan]

LOL!!No ==believing is believing NOT a work!! Think!

Works-salvationists would like us to believe that faith is just “another” work in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Works-salvationists would like us to believe that faith is just “another” work in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works.

remember brother. Fatalists believe it is a work also

never can fathom how me trusting in the work of someone else totally is a work of my own..

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Is obedience something done by a person ?

Yes, the blind man washing his eyes in the pool, Naaman dipping in the river 7 times, Noah building the ark, men repenting and being baptized and not in any instance is obedience earning God's free gift.

If repenting and being baptized in order to receive the free gift of salvation is "works based salvation" whereby God OWED salvation, then Naaman dipping or the blind man washing his eyes must be "works based healing" therefore not of grace whereby God OWED them their healing.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

If we believe and teach that a sinner is justified before God by their own action of faith/believing, then we by default are teaching justification by ones meritorious act, whether its admitted or not.5

Romans 6:17-18 those Romans were justified by their having "obeyed from the heart"
James 2:21-24 Abraham was justified by his obedience in offering Isaac.

Nowhere ever does the Bible define obedience to God as a work of merit.

Obedience to God will not be perfect leaving one in need of grace therefore imperfect obedience is nothing to boast about. Yet obedience to God is not the same thing as working to keep the law perfectly in order to be justified by the law. If one could keep the law perfectly then one would have no sin therefore not be in need of grace meaning his reward is owed him (Romans 4:4) and he could boast about his perfect law keeping and meriting his reward.

So there is an obvious difference in perfect law keeping that merits the reward and faithful obedience to God's will that merits nothing.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

What the carnal religionist has done in corrupting the word of truth, they have made faith, the act of believing a condition to get saved.

This means God saves the faithless, unbelieving, unrepentant, disobedient, rebellious man. Yet no verse teaches such but instead teaches the faithless (John 3:18) impenitent (Romans 2:4-5) disobedient (2 Thessalonians 1:8) will be lost NOT saved.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Look, is believing an activity of the mind, something a person does ?

No.

Thinking is not doing.

Noah just thinking about building the ark would not get the ark built, getting it built as God commanded required DOING.
Naaman just thinking about going and dipping would not have cleansed him, it required him DOING it to be cleansed by God.

For one hungry and naked in need of food and clothing, just thinking or saying be warmed and filled profits nothing, it takes DOING in giving them food and clothing. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

First and foremost to be Justified by Faith and it not be our work, it must be the subjective faith of Christ in His Suretyship obedience and faithfulness unto the will of God for us that Justifies us before God, otherwise, justified by our own faith is nothing but being justified by our works, something done by us, which is flat out contrary to justification by grace.

Man cannot be justified by doing his OWN works (sinner's prayer) but man can be justified by doing GOD's works (belief, repentance, confession, baptism). Those Jews in Romans 10:3 were lost for they were doing their OWN righteousness instead of obeying GOD'S righteousness, they would not obey GOD'S righteousness in that they would not believe, not confess, not obey the gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

Rom 4:4

Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

This scripture identifies with those of mans religion that promote that salvation is the reward for the merit of repentance or believing. Those with that mindset have totally forsaken the truth of Salvation by Grace through Faith Eph 2:8 !

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, the blind man washing his eyes in the pool, Naaman dipping in the river 7 times, Noah building the ark, men repenting and being baptized and not in any instance is obedience earning God's free gift.

If repenting and being baptized in order to receive the free gift of salvation is "works based salvation" whereby God OWED salvation, then Naaman dipping or the blind man washing his eyes must be "works based healing" therefore not of grace whereby God OWED them their healing.

Yes obedience is something man does, so that means if a person conditions salvation on their obedience, they condition salvation on works, which is contrary to scripture Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 6:17-18 those Romans were justified by their having "obeyed from the heart"
James 2:21-24 Abraham was justified by his obedience in offering Isaac.

Nowhere ever does the Bible define obedience to God as a work of merit.

Obedience to God will not be perfect leaving one in need of grace therefore imperfect obedience is nothing to boast about. Yet obedience to God is not the same thing as working to keep the law perfectly in order to be justified by the law. If one could keep the law perfectly then one would have no sin therefore not be in need of grace meaning his reward is owed him (Romans 4:4) and he could boast about his perfect law keeping and meriting his reward.

So there is an obvious difference in perfect law keeping that merits the reward and faithful obedience to God's will that merits nothing.

You are advocating salvation by works a false teaching friend.

 

[brightfame52]

This means God saves the faithless, unbelieving, unrepentant, disobedient, rebellious man. Yet no verse teaches such but instead teaches the faithless (John 3:18) impenitent (Romans 2:4-5) disobedient (2 Thessalonians 1:8) will be lost NOT saved.

God saves sinners, the ungodly, enemies. You are advocating salvation by works. Thats a false doctrine !

 

[brightfame52]

No.

Thinking is not doing.

Noah just thinking about building the ark would not get the ark built, getting it built as God commanded required DOING.
Naaman just thinking about going and dipping would not have cleansed him, it required him DOING it to be cleansed by God.

For one hungry and naked in need of food and clothing, just thinking or saying be warmed and filled profits nothing, it takes DOING in giving them food and clothing. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone

Yes it is !

 

[brightfame52]

Man cannot be justified by doing his OWN works (sinner's prayer) but man can be justified by doing GOD's works (belief, repentance, confession, baptism). Those Jews in Romans 10:3 were lost for they were doing their OWN righteousness instead of obeying GOD'S righteousness, they would not obey GOD'S righteousness in that they would not believe, not confess, not obey the gospel.

You still advocating salvation by works, a false doctrine Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

 

[brightfame52]

If and when someone teaches that salvation/justification is based upon a condition performed by man, lie faith or repentance, water baptism, its synonymous to teaching that they are justified/saved by a law, a work of theirs, so by their merit, which is contrary to grace, Rom 4:4 6

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.