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being filled with the Spirit has nothing new age about it, it it how he leads us and guides us and helps us. Being open to his guidance is vital.

There were times when He has guided me when I was not even listening. No filling of the Spirit required nor seeking after one since we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God that we are saved. Matthew 9:17

Have you not received a reminder from the indwelling Holy Spirit about some of the things Jesus has taught you without a filling of the Spirit again for that to happen? Scripture below for why I have posted that.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

1 John 2:20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
 

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From that point have you ever quenched the Spirit?


Since scriptures were not numbered by verses & chapters originally, I assign that verse to the following verse to inform us how not to quench the Spirit otherwise it is ambiguous.

1 Thessalonians 5:19 Quench not the Spirit. 20 Despise not prophesyings.


Believers are, or are to be, parts of the Body of Christ, each part having particular functions as directed.
"But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him." I Cor 12:18

The Director, of course, is the Head. There is only one Head of the Body. It is not you or me!

"And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence." Col 1:18


Then how can tongues be for private use when it is not being used for the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 12:
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

No other drink of the One Spirit that we have all been baptized into is necessary to get a gift of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 12:
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

Therefore no gift of the Spirit, especially tongues, are for private use as if they can have that gift without any other member of the body of Christ to interpret it.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

That might be someone's AT [Absolute Truth], but not mine! I strive each day to avoid taking on definite ATs. Perhaps I do hold some, but not that one! They worked hard on me in the UPC to make it so, but without success. I seek rather His face, His kingdom and His righteousness... as He leads me. I want to be like John the Baptist there with only one Head!

"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way." I Cor 12:31



I can thank the Lord for keeping you from that which robs believers of the joy of their salvation, but what you have is what they have; tongues for private use as gained by another drink of the One Spirit. So something is wrong here. I know you do not see it, but there it is.
 

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C4M: "Paul said so in context of comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is better; not how cool it is by itself

LOL, you conveniently ignore Paul's wording: he says, "he who speaks in an uninterpreted tongue EDIFIES himself." Edification from the Spirit is always spiritually uplifting. Paul limits the superiority of prophecy to a group setting WITH OUTSIDERS PRESENT.

In context, Paul is explaining why prophesy is the best gift to seek after over all spiritual gifts and began to show why by comparing tongues against prophesy because tongues is not a sand alone gift. 1 Corinthians 14:1-4 You are overlooking why he is comparing tongues against prophesy for why he said what he did in verse 1.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Even Peter admits Paul's words are hard to understand but overlooking the message to insert tongues for private use by that other baptism with the Holy Ghost is wresting scripture to their own destruction, brother.

1 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.

And I have seen believers fall backwards like they do in Khundalini in seeking this other baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which is the one assumed for private use.

 

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The Gift of Tongues, is a gift of a foreign language that you are able to speak, for the benefit of those who can't understand your language.

This is what Peter is doing in Acts 2.

Then there is no praying in tongues when it is better to know what you had prayed for normally to give the father genuine thanks in Jesus;s name for answers to prayers.

Believers are misreading 1 Corinthians 14:14 as if Paul is praying in tongues when in context of verse 13, Paul is saying for tongue speakers to pray for interpretation while they are speaking in tongues by the Spirit as Paul clarified in verse 14 that it was his spirit praying, not the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

So while Paul is speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Ghost, he is praying that someone else will interpret that tongue so he can understand it and benefit from that tongue also.
 

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14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

The >GIFT OF TONGUES<.....is not "unknown".

Notice in Acts 2.

Thats the "GIFT of Tongues"....its not a personal prayer language that you are confused about, endlessly.
 

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The >GIFT OF TONGUES<.....is not "unknown".

Notice in Acts 2.

Thats the "GIFT of Tongues"....its not a personal prayer language that you are confused about, endlessly.

I am agreeing with you but I am speaking against praying in tongues which many claims God's gift of tongues can also be for private use & it is not.
 

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Why is there always so much contempt against those who have the gift of tongues? All this bickering ... I wonder, do they feel lacking spiritually ... incomplete? I think that because it is not tangible to them and they can't seem to acquire it, they deny it exists or are just confused about it and cannot seem to accept anyone else who has it.
Someone expresses their life changing experience with God and inevitably here comes the Posse and tries to discredit or even demonize this person.
Shameful ... lacking something ... maybe even envious they don't experience that closeness with God? The real question to each of us is: "What spiritual gift do I have and am I using it?"
I don't have the gift. I was led to Christ by someone who had it. I have been prayed for in tongues, which I thought was not edifying. But that's okay - God u derstood their prayers for me! I attended a Four Square Church for 12 years, led by a spirit filled Pastor who claimed he had the gift - but I never heard him utter a word of it. It was private and for personal edification. And unless there is an interpreter, it should be private.
Personally, I agree with Berserk's posts ... and I have read most of them. And by the way I think he is more educated then any of us on this forum!
 
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Tongues isn't the gibberish uttered by the frauds like Swaggart, Hinn, Jennings, and others. Tongues refers to languages, known languages. The Apostles were anointed with that gift so they could journey into the world and spread the good news in the language those they encountered would understand.
 

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Why is there always so much contempt against those who have the gift of tongues? All this bickering ... I wonder, do they feel lacking spiritually ... incomplete? I think that because it is not tangible to them and they can't seem to acquire it, they deny it exists or are just confused about it and cannot seem to accept anyone else who has it.

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We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6) and operates in many present-day disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ."

In your own words, what do you believe this statement is saying?

How do you read this comment to mean?

Are they saying that every one that gets baptized in the Holy Spirit, will speak in tongues?

Are they saying that if a believer does not speak in tongues, they do not have the Holy Spirit and so they are not saved?

If not, some clarification please, because I cannot see how that can be even partially correct when that would cause division within the body of Christ. It can bring even more hurtful questions.

Should the believer worry because the Holy Spirit is not praying out loud in tongues for them?

Does this mean God does not care about them as much as He does others?

Or are you reading that comment as meaning something else? I just don't see how.

Someone expresses their life changing experience with God and inevitably here comes the Posse and tries to discredit or even demonize this person.
Shameful ... lacking something ... maybe even envious they don't experience that closeness with God? The real question to each of us is: "What spiritual gift do I have and am I using it?"

How about discerning carefully in what they are posting as they were believers in Christ all that time before going up seeking to be saved?

A neighbor across the street testified to me that she was reading the Bible one day at the kitchen table when all of a sudden the Holy Spirit came over her and she spoke in tongues. She claimed that was when she was saved because she got the Holy spirit & tongues all at once.

Then I asked her what she was reading that led her to believe in Jesus Christ. At first, she did not know what I had meant but then she figured out and continued her testimony that she had gone to her pastor & had asked what had happened to her since she was a believer for most of her life. The pastor pointed to something in the Book of Acts. Then she went on to share that others at her church were doing everyday things when that had happened to them and at this, she rolled her eyes at as if not believing that report which she did not care to elaborate on.

In the course of our conversation, she does not believe that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved, BUT it would be hard for her to stop others from using her changed testimony to support that false teaching.

So yeah. When tongues for private use is gained by a notable phenomenon and not by the calling of the gospel, I am going to scrutinized it because they may have been believers long before that phenomenon had occurred.

I don't have the gift. I was led to Christ by someone who had it. I have been prayed for in tongues, which I thought was not edifying. But that's okay - God u derstood their prayers for me! I attended a Four Square Church for 12 years, led by a spirit filled Pastor who claimed he had the gift - but I never heard him utter a word of it. It was private and for personal edification. And unless there is an interpreter, it should be private.

How can it be private when Paul would be praying for an interpreter on the tongue the Holy Spirit is manifesting in Paul so Paul could understand that tongue for Paul to benefit from that tongue?

1 Corinthians 14:27-28 is Paul instructing that after 2 or 3 speak in tongues and another interpret, if someone speaks where there is no interpretation, it just means that person is a foreign visitor speaking out of turn for why he can be commanded to be silent because he is not speaking with God's gift of tongues ergo.. God's gift of tongues will come with interpretation because it is NOT for private use.

Personally, I agree with Berserk's posts ... and I have read most of them. And by the way I think he is more educated then any of us on this forum!

Berserk is my brother in Christ as are you, but he is wrong about tongues for private use and is just wanting to believe what he had experienced is of God for how he got that tongue when the apostle John says not to believe every spirit but test them & the tongues they bring. in 1 John 4:1-6
 

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We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6)
None of these scriptures promise the gift of tongues. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is essential. One sign, tongues, is evidence. It does not imply that those who do not have it do not have the Holy Spirit. The gift of prophecy is another and more valued. Wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, discernment of spirits, interpretation of tongues are other gifts, all for edification and service to the Body of Christ. We all have our purpose and are gifted.
Christians can have one or more of these gifts. God prepares work for us to do and equips us each according to His purpose.
I'm just not sure about the gift of judging and criticism or implying that "Maybe his tongues are from Satan". Oh, I guess that's the gift of the discernment of spirits ... better be sure about that one. I hear a lot of people on this forum claiming to have that gift and falsely implying that others are led by Satan.

Berserk is my brother in Christ as are you, but he is wrong about tongues for private use and is just wanting to believe what he had experienced is of God for how he got that tongue when the apostle John says not to believe every spirit but test them & the tongues they bring. in 1 John 4:1-6
I guess you have that keen gift of the word of knowledge to examine his soul/spirit and relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Memo: the gift of tongues is mostly for personal edification!

I have heard Pentecostal Christians who have the gift claim you must have it to be saved and they are wrong. They have been misinformed. We all are wrong about many things until we grow, learn and correct our misconceptions.
 
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Tongues isn't the gibberish uttered by the frauds like Swaggart, Hinn, Jennings, and others. Tongues refers to languages, known languages. The Apostles were anointed with that gift so they could journey into the world and spread the good news in the language those they encountered would understand.
Really? On Pentecost, Peter and the disciples spoke in angelic tongues, not of this earth, while people from a dozen nations and languages listened simultaneously to their speech and miraculously discerned this language (translated it _ in their own minds _ into their language).
Read it. They could not understand how they all heard their speech in their own language. Others In the crowd (who did not discern this language) accused them of being drunk - as if babbling nonsense. Others said, No they are not drunk - it is early in the day.
 
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Really? On Pentecost, Peter and the disciples spoke in angelic tongues, not of this earth, while people from a dozen nations and languages listened simultaneously to their speech and miraculously discerned this language (translated it _ in their own minds _ into their language).
Read it. They could not understand how they all heard their speech in their own language. Others In the crowd (who did not discern this language) accused them of being drunk - as if babbling nonsense. Others said, No they are not drunk - it is early in the day.

Yes, really.
What you describe there isn't at all responsive to my observation about fraudster pastors speaking gibberish.
 
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Yes, really.
What you describe there isn't at all responsive to my observation about fraudster pastors speaking gibberish.
Acts 2:5 "Now there were devout Jews from every nation under heaven."
Vs 6. "... they were bewildered because each one was hearing them speak in their own language"
Vs. 8 "... How is it that we hear, each of us in our own native language?"
It was a miracle. That was heavenly tongues being spoken and the gift of the interpretation of tongues being received.
I was there ... I was given the gift of time travel!
 
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Discerning this comment for all to post on.

"We believe the baptism in the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance (1 Corinthians 14), is for all believers as promised by John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11), Jesus (Acts 1:4-8), and Peter(Acts 2:38-41). The fulfillment of this promise was witnessed by early disciples of Christ (Acts 2:4, 10:44-47, 19:1-6)" end of quote.

None of these scriptures promise the gift of tongues. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is essential. One sign, tongues, is evidence. It does not imply that those who do not have it do not have the Holy Spirit. The gift of prophecy is another and more valued. Wisdom, the word of knowledge, faith, healing, miracles, discernment of spirits, interpretation of tongues are other gifts, all for edification and service to the Body of Christ. We all have our purpose and are gifted.

Then you are disagreeing with that comment above?

Christians can have one or more of these gifts. God prepares work for us to do and equips us each according to His purpose.
I'm just not sure about the gift of judging and criticism or implying that "Maybe his tongues are from Satan". Oh, I guess that's the gift of the discernment of spirits ... better be sure about that one. I hear a lot of people on this forum claiming to have that gift and falsely implying that others are led by Satan.

They can only do it by scripture, like referring to Isaiah 8:19 about a supernatural tongue that is gibberish nonsense existing before Pentecost obviously since it is in the Book of Isaiah.

They cannot say that Satan copy cats God's gift of tongues when God's gift of tongues is of other men's lisp to speak unto the people, not for speaking back to God.

If we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, then God's gift of tongues cannot be gibberish nonsense as found in the world & the occult.

Or else how can those in the occult know they have departed from those spirits and that kid of tongue if God's gift of tongues can also be gibberish nonsense?

How can churches know that sinners have departed from their spirits and that tongue if God's gift of tongues can be gibberish nonsense too?

Then you have different testimonies of how they had received what they assume was the Holy Spirit with tongues later in life as a saved believer forgetting the apostle John's warning about not believing every spirit but test them & how in 1 John 4:1-6 including the tongues they bring.

And the fact that this phenomenon does not stop there that saved believers can receive the holy spirit after other signs too should alarm them but it doesn't because they just judge it as not of Him and has nothing to do with their tongues, but Jesus said they got that tongue by the same evil tree that those other they judge are getting signs of receiving the Holy Spirit "again" apart from salvation like slain in the spirit & "holy laughter.

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I guess you have that keen gift of the word of knowledge to examine his soul/spirit and relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Memo: the gift of tongues is mostly for personal edification!

Not when Paul says he would pray for someone to interpret that tongue so he would understand that tongue for the tongue to be beneficial to himself. 1 Corinthians 14:13-15

I have heard Pentecostal Christians who have the gift claim you must have it to be saved and they are wrong. They have been misinformed. We all are wrong about many things until we grow, learn and correct our misconceptions.

What I am against is this in these latter days 1 Timothy 4:1-2 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15 & that is what I am seeing when they believe the lie that they can receive the Holy spirit again when the tradition taught of us is that we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and no other time for we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God in us that He as saved us.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

No leaky vessel no more filling after we are saved. That is why we will never hunger nor thirst again to be filled after coming t & believing in Him.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

I have heard those who seek after the Spirit in the holy laughter movement hunger for more of God; more of that phenomenon; red flag any one?
 

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Then you are disagreeing with that comment above?
I gave my view of that paragraph. You didn't understand? I'll add that Paul desired that they all speak in tongues, but obviously many did not. He did value gifts that were beneficial for all over tongues- unless there was an interpreter of tongues present.
He gave specific teachings on spiritual gifts.

They can only do it by scripture, like referring to Isaiah 8:19
Thse seeking wizards, or caught up occult practices are quite discernable from Christians.

If we are to abstain from all appearances of evil, then God's gift of tongues cannot be gibberish nonsense as found in the world & the occult.
True

What I am against is this in these latter days 1 Timothy 4:1-2 2 Thessalonians 2:1-15 & that is what I am seeing when they believe the lie that they can receive the Holy spirit again when the tradition taught of us is that we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel and no other time for we are always Spirit-filled since salvation as a testimony from God in us that He as saved us.
People are confused about what the "falling away" is. It is the falling away from the little faith that they had. These are thise who did notnreceuve the baptismbif the Holy Spirit to begin with. They never really believed, didn't love Christ, did not nourish their souls with the word .
And those seeking other spirits and false doctrines that lead us away from Christ is again discernable - for me anyways.

Here's where I think you are having a problem: This concept of receiving the Holy Spirit "again and again". Let me sort it out. We are baptized by the Holy Spirit ONCE. However, we are NOT always filled with the power of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes _ as the expression goes _ we feel "dry" or empty for periods of time. We often do not sense God is with us, in every moment. We know He is, but when we are filled, we are empowered to act and do whatever it is He has planned for us to do and the experience is glorious elation. We read from scripture that this prophet or that person was filled with the Holy Spirit, then they did something significant. And so the Bible is filled with these moments when men were filled and acted in accordance to God's purpose. BUT THEY DID NOT WALK AROUND LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME, FILLED AND EMPOWERED. So it is with all Christians, we strongly feel His presense at times, but not always. So during periods of dryness we desire to get filled again. We pray, we read, we yearn for His presence. When this filling happens, wow, it chokes me up ... I cry and am overwhelmed.
 
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I gave my view of that paragraph. You didn't understand? I'll add that Paul desired that they all speak in tongues, but obviously many did not. He did value gifts that were beneficial for all over tongues- unless there was an interpreter of tongues present.
He gave specific teachings on spiritual gifts.

Which believers that defend tongues for private use, ignore Paul's teaching on gifts are not for private use in the previous chapter & more importantly, none of those gifts are gained by having another drink of the One Spirit that we are all supposed to share in that same testimony as baptized into one body by.

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Then Paul began using hyperboles in explaining why love is better than anything else for why tongues are not of angels since he is not like sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal

1 Corinthians 13:1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Paul has certainly not sold everything and given to the poor and gave his body up for burning either les he has become a ghost writer. Hyperbole. Just as referring to tongues of angels is a hyperbole, an exaggerated sense of tongues which is not being done in reality.

Then those who speak in tongues try to claim that tongues are for private use by inserting their meaning in complete disregard for why Paul is exhorting the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts in verse 1 ad then explained why by comparing tongues against prophesy for why prophesy is the better gift to seek after in the whole message of that chapter because tongues is not a stand alone gift for it needs interpretation for the tongue speaker to truly benefit when he understood what that tongue is saying as manifested by the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy. 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Discern with Him now.

2 Corinthians 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Paul cannot claim he speak more in tongues than them all unless he had witnesses to that truth therefore not for private use as this was done in the assembly as witnessed before all.

Paul is not saying the tongue speaker is speaking to God because he is in the assembly where no man understands him but God does, as the tongue speaker speaks in mysteries to those around him but God understands that tongue. That does not mean he is speaking TO God because there are no mysteries to God for why he is not speaking TO God. Paul is meaning God understands what us being said as manifested by the Holy Ghost. God's gift of tongues can be self edifying but only when interpreted for Paul to benefit from that tongue.

12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

Tongue speakers ignore verse 13 and point to verse 14 as if Paul is praying in tongues when he is really praying someone will interpret that tongue. everything Paul has said about tongues is being done in the assembly and not for private use. tongue speakers for private use are inserting their tongues in there when Paul is explaining why prophesy is better than tongues because it is not for private use.

17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

The only way Paul can say that if tongues were done in the assembly where there are more than 3 witnesses to that truth. He cannot testify of tongues for private use when there are no witnesses.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Verses 20-21 is Paul giving the bottom line on what God's gift of tongues are for, being of other men's lips to speak unto the people.

22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.


And yet believers are using tongues as a sign or proof of salvation or proof f Gd calling them into the ministries or as the early Catholic Church claimed, proof that they are keeping the doctrines within. I cannot find that latter info again, but it is so. I would not be surprise that believers that fornicate use tongues as a sign that everything is still okay between Him & them. Is everything okay between Him & the catholic Charismatic Church? I think not. Therefore tongues are not supposed to serve as a sign nor proof to the believers about anything but to the believers.

And yet they preach another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues ( used to be heralded as "by that sign of tongues" ). Red flag. That is why that tongue is not coming with interpretation as it is a voice of stranger's they follow for climbing up another way John 10:1-5

Then getting back to Paul on tongues; I remind you abut verse 2 in how a tongue speaker speaks unto God but not to God but He understands what is being said as we read this below.

26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

How can Paul instruct someone to be silent IF that tongue was manifested by the Holy Ghost just because there was no interpretation? And yet at the end of the chapter he has written not to forbid speaking in tongues in the assembly but order and decency must be maintained?

Reread the 3 verses of 26-28. When you have 2 or 3 speak in tongues, one by one, and another interpret, when you have a practice like that in the assembly, a foreign visitor could very well stand up and speak out of turn. That is why he is to keep silence because he speaks to himself, meaning he understands what he is saying as God does too, not that he is a crazy person speaking to himself and to God.

There can be no speaking in tongues quietly to oneself when even whispering bothers people around them trying to listen to the sermon or in this case, when 2 or 3 speak in tongues for that one to interpret it.

Just another example of how tongue speakers for private use today try to insert that tongue for private use into scripture when that is not what Paul is saying. Indeed, they make Paul look like an idiot for exhorting prophesy over tongues as they are today hyping believers to seek another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues and not prophesy when there is no other baptism with the Holy Ghost to seek after salvation.

That is why I do not believe God's gift of tongues were ever meant for private use.
 

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Those seeking wizards, or caught up occult practices are quite discernable from Christians.

Not when they assume that because it does not come with interpretation, it is for private use.


But try convincing tongues for private use of that. Of course, only God can cause the increase. Normal prayer to Jesus for help is needed.

People are confused about what the "falling away" is. It is the falling away from the little faith that they had. These are those who did not receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit to begin with. They never really believed, didn't love Christ, did not nourish their souls with the word .
And those seeking other spirits and false doctrines that lead us away from Christ is again discernable - for me anyways.

No. You cannot be part of the vine to be cut off from unless you were part of the vine note verse 6 in John 15:1-8

You cannot be called His servants for why they are cut off to have their portions with unbelievers and still be called His servants for why they are getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready & lesser stripes for lack of knowledge for not being ready but stripes they are getting as they are still His servants Luke 12:40-49

Jesus even abides in former believers per verse 13 of 2 Timothy 2:11-13 and Paul cited an example of a former believer in verse 18 for why they are still called to depart from iniquity or else as that foundation is assured 2 Timothy 2:18-21 as that seal of adoption is also. Ephesians 4:30
 

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tongues is not a stand alone gift for it needs interpretation for the tongue speaker to truly benefit when he understood what that tongue is saying as manifested by the Holy Ghost
Wow, you seem to possess lots of agnst against those who speak in tongues.
Listen, the Bible says tongues is for personal edification. That is private, most always occuring during prayers. IF this person with the gift, ALSO has the gift of the word of knowledge and/or prophecy AND has a message FOR the congregation TO EDIFY THEM - then by all means share it - with an interpreter.
Dang, this is like beating a dead horse. You need to address that grudge. Grudges can often stunt our growth.
 
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