Is this true?

[Ronald Nolette]

Now you said: - " We have no mandate to pray for healing of over 200+ nations." but then went on to made this statement of our purpose,: - "We have a mandate to go and make disciples in all lands and await for His return while we labor." The strange part is that, part of the Salvation process, requires the repentance of our sins and the turning away, of the people in those lands, from their wicked ways. Reports that I have read of Salvation coming to people in those multitude lands, is that God brings healing to the respective lands when people begin to humble themselves and repent of their "sins" and turn from their wicked ways.

Well if and when God chooses to prosper a land is not a mandate of the people praying like it was for Israel in 2 Chron. Remember teh church is a no nation nation. God may heal a country or may not, He is not bound to do so as he was for Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You say that you are not Old Testament People, yet the very process you apply in making disciples of the peoples in other lands, is found in 2 Chronicles 7:13-14.

The sad part is that unless you personally demonstrate, to the people who you want to make disciples of for Christ, what is contained in 2 Chron. 7:13-14 you will be called a hypocrite for not practicing what you preach.

I will never preach to people of other nations (and I have evangelized in 7) that if people get saved and pray, god will heal their land, They can pray for terh healing and it may occur, but God is not bound like to Israel to do so.

We are not to conquer nations, but people for teh gospel.

 

[Jay Ross]

Well if and when God chooses to prosper a land is not a mandate of the people praying like it was for Israel in 2 Chron. Remember the church is a no nation nation. God may heal a country or may not, He is not bound to do so as he was for Israel.

I will never preach to people of other nations (and I have evangelized in 7) that if people get saved and pray, god will heal their land, They can pray for their healing and it may occur, but God is not bound like to Israel to do so.

We are not to conquer nations, but people for the gospel.

So be it. You are entitled to your POV concerning 2 Chron. 7:13-14. I personally see no difference between the Church and Israel, since as Christians we are told in the NT that we are graphed into the same tree/vine as Israel. If we are attached to the same tree/vine, then why do you suggest that we are not under the same obligation to humble ourselves and to repent and to turn away from our wicked ways.

I have heard it preached that we are just as guilty of putting Christ on the cross as the Jews were when they had Jesus Crucified.

Perhaps, we Christians, all need to be able to see, how we have turned away from God and that we should humble ourselves and repent. Whether or not God choses to heal our land is wrapped in how we interpret the unfolding events of God's hand at work.

Shalom

 

[Abigail]

Alcoholism is not a disease! You do not catch alcoholism, nor are you genetically predisposed to be an alcoholic. those are urban legends.

No, they're not. Rather than dispose your thinking to that false idea why not show respect for the afflicted and find out the truth?

Drugs have always been around, but not in the kind of levels we see in America.

You'll have to substantiate that statement with proof.

Crime is rampant- that would not be in a "Christian Nation where the majority of voting adults are believers! Sorry, but even with the divisions within the church saved, we would vote for much stringer laws.

Of course that's not true. God knew our nature. That's why he gave his ten commandments. The odd thing is, there are Christians in America that insist they no longer apply.
In a Christian nation, a Christian theocracy, people would be killed for their sins. Because punishment for sins under God's laws was often death. As we know when we read the Old Testament.

God is the same yesterday, today, forever and does not change. This means that , were America's laws prosecuted as Christian ordinances, considering there are Christians who still insist they are sinners, any sin , breaking of the law, would be punishable by death.

Let's look at an example:
Death penalty sins in the Old Testament. - JesusAlive.cc
God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)


Let's continue. All scripture references below are from the Book of Leviticus. While maybe not worthy of death offenses, were this a Christian nation following God's orders these banned things would be punishable at the courts discretion. Maybe even death?

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)

2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)

3. Eating fat (3:17)

4. Eating blood (3:17)

5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)

6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)

7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)

8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)

9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)

10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)

11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)

12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)

13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)

14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9)

15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)

16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)

17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)

18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)

19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)

20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)

21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)

22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)

23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)

24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)

25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)

26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)

27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)

28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)

29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)

30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)

31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)

32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)

33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)

34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)

35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)

36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)

37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)

38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)

39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)

40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)

41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)

42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)

43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)

44. Stealing (19:11)

45. Lying (19:11)

46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)

47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)

48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)

49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)

50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)

51. Spreading slander (19:16)

52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)

53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)

54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)

56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)

57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)

58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)

60. Trimming your beard (19:27)

61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)

62. Getting tattoos (19:28)

63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)

64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)

65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)

66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)

67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)

68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)

69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)

70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)

71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)

72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)

73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)

74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
76 Things Banned In Leviticus


Many of the forefathers in America's founding were Christian. If they intended this to be a Christian nation, like that government they revolted against wherein church and state were one, they'd have done so. Though that would likely show they didn't actually revolt against much at all. They just relocated the revolting to a new continent.
"Britain's Bloody Code" https://www.historyextra.com/period/modern/a-brief-history-of-capital-punishment-in-britain/

 

[Curtis]

Seems like we will have to agree to disagree. The Translators have translated the Greek root "kainos" using only the word "new" rather than using the English expression, "like new" which puts a very different spin on our understanding. "Neos" on the other hand is understood to be "new" with respect to age such that Christ is the "neos"/new mediator of the "refurbished" salvation covenant.

The Covenant that is referred to in the Book of Hebrews is the making like new again for the Jewish Nation the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations covenant, where the processes for the duties of the priesthood and salvation has been tweaked a little with respect to covering of the Blood of Christ that removes our transgression rather than the Blood of animals in the Salvation Covenant which has existed from the beginning of mankind and which I believe that Jesus was referring to in Matt. 13:52.

Of course you can disagree with my understanding of how our relationship with God should work, but I am secure in my relationship with God and am happy that God has refurbished the covenant by which our salvation is gained.

Shalom

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The new covenant is not the old one recycled, it wasn’t given an e theme makeover, it’s been completely replaced by a new covenant founded on better promises, and the old one was faulty:

Heb 8:6 But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

 

[McFearless]

Sin must be corrected . Lambs look out for lambs , we dont just gather with error for the sake of fellowship .
If pastors would actually teach sound doctrine that would have alone helped a great deal .
Then if one is in error let the correction be made . But the problem is most pastors are no longer grave nor preach sound doctrine .
That alone would have been a major help to the church . That alone . Many too are busy lulling their churches to sleep
with songs and shows , and sin is raging wild in the churches and at most all they can say is dont judge just let them be .
Sin and error must be corrected and fast too . When it is known or seen It has to be corrected .
Re read the letter to the corinthians , both letters . See the approach . See how paul also gave them a heads up
to repent , before he had to come and correct . The idea of sin in the church was not good to the early church
they were fast to point to Christ and fast to correct error . I suggest we be the same way .
Lets examine what seeker friendly has done and did to the churches .
They left off correcting . And soon in time began accepting sins and grew only worse .
Wanna know why . Cause when leaven aint purged out , when a church does not mourn and follow the pattern JESUS set
and the apostels set , ITS GONNA LEAVEN .
And leaven indeed they have . This correct not , judge not , DIDNT work out too well , it did exactly what it does .
IT leavens . The easy thing for us all , get back into bibles and really get that pattern dug in deep .
Then we will see a huge difference between how they , meaning the apostels and Christ were , verses HOW todays men are .
And i mean a huge difference will soon be seen . Be encouraged .
But if my son were in error and decided to do something in which the end of that is death , I would have wanted someone to have warned
him NOT TO DO , instead of just being quiet and trying to let him figure it out for himself .
If error or sin is spotted , it must be corrected and fast . Do all for the sake of others . DO all for the good of others .
AND SIN aint good for anyone . Thus correct it and do so asap fast .

@amigo de christo
To me it sounds like you’re talking about a dead god, one much like the Islamic version. Is it that you don’t trust the Holy Spirit to correct and guide us, or is it that you think you can do a better job than the Holy Spirit? I won’t walk around like the scribes with my Bible in hand pointing out every sin, it’s not effective. People who does that are like the Pharisee, thanking God that he is not like the sinner. With a focus on sin, we lose focus on Jesus. We shouldn’t focus on anything else than Jesus, don’t let sin take your focus, Jesus is the healer of your heart. The Holy Spirit will guide you. The devil, scribes and Pharisees always tried to blame and guilt people with their sins, tried to tempt people using the Torah and corrected everyone. Why would God want for us to be like them? It makes no sense, we should have real love in our hearts when guiding people or just ask people to pray about it themselves.

John 16:8-11
“And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

We are not in control and won’t ever be, if we are afraid of a little sin. We all know that God’s grace is bigger than sin, so let’s preach grace, so we don’t lead people to fall, because we both knows what happens to people who leads his little ones to fall. We also know that our view on the truth is very limited, but that Gods perfect perspective is much better than our useless and hypocritical corrections or judgement.
Even sinners know that they are sinning, the same goes for you. You don’t need me to tell me, to act as if sin is an act of ignorance is deluded and self righteous. You know it when you break Gods rules, don’t act like you did it because of ignorance, when we break Gods rules we do it deliberately gay or Christian.
People already knows that it’s wrong, no need to tell them if they know. If they have the Holy Spirit it will guide them to change, if they don’t have the Holy Spirit it doesn’t make any sense to tell them about their errors because they won’t be willing to change. You and I are powerless, pray that God change them don’t cast them out if their sin doesn’t effect other church members personally.
Trust in the Lord, he will change their hearts. It’s also not very scientific to say that people who didn’t want to judge ruined the church. I judge people based on the fruits of the spirit and If they have them, most people who, in my experience, are walking around correcting or judging people lack, kindness, mildness, patience, peace and joy. I don’t listen to words from people like that, just like I’m not interested in debating the devil. Why debate someone with a different end goal?

I want people to believe in Jesus because I think that’s the only way to wash away sin, the rest of the way, they’ll have to walk with Jesus. I also find it hard to be angry, correct or judge someone if the law doesn’t apply to them. The Bible says that the law doesn’t apply, if one is born again. So why focus on the law, let’s focus on the grace and spreading the good news, so more people are released from the bonds of the law.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So be it. You are entitled to your POV concerning 2 Chron. 7:13-14. I personally see no difference between the Church and Israel, since as Christians we are told in the NT that we are graphed into the same tree/vine as Israel. If we are attached to the same tree/vine, then why do you suggest that we are not under the same obligation to humble ourselves and to repent and to turn away from our wicked ways.

I have heard it preached that we are just as guilty of putting Christ on the cross as the Jews were when they had Jesus Crucified.

Perhaps, we Christians, all need to be able to see, how we have turned away from God and that we should humble ourselves and repent. Whether or not God choses to heal our land is wrapped in how we interpret the unfolding events of God's hand at work.

Shalom

I agree that we put Jesus on teh cross because He desired to pay for our sins.

But remember god has no covenant with any gentile nation on earth. The only covenant He made was with teh nation of Israel and the only land promised for healing was Israel. Many of us allegorize this and say it applies to any land where Christians pray for healing as citizens, but that is a reinterpretation.

We also must remember that people only take part of what God said to make God a healer of gentile lands. Here is gods full conversation in that passage:

12 And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.

13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

15 Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

16 For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, they're not. Rather than dispose your thinking to that false idea why not show respect for the afflicted and find out the truth?

You'll have to substantiate that statement with proof.

Of course that's not true. God knew our nature. That's why he gave his ten commandments. The odd thing is, there are Christians in America that insist they no longer apply.
In a Christian nation, a Christian theocracy, people would be killed for their sins. Because punishment for sins under God's laws was often death. As we know when we read the Old Testament.

God is the same yesterday, today, forever and does not change. This means that , were America's laws prosecuted as Christian ordinances, considering there are Christians who still insist they are sinners, any sin , breaking of the law, would be punishable by death.

Let's look at an example:
Death penalty sins in the Old Testament. - JesusAlive.cc
God ordered death for the following sins and people.

1. Murder (Ex 21:12,14)(Lev 24:17,21)(Num 35:16-21,30-31)
2. Kidnapping (Ex 21:16)(Deut 24:7)
3. Child sacrifice (Lev 20:2)
4. Both the man and woman who commit adultery (Lev 20:10)(Deut 22:22-24)
5. Rape (Deut 22:25)
6. Daughter of a priest who became a prostitute (Lev 21:9)
7. An idolater (Ex 22:20)(Deut 17:2-5)(Num 25:1-5)
8. Breaking the Sabbath (Ex 31:14)(Ex 35:2)(Num 15:32-36)
9. A woman having sex before marriage (Deut 22:21-22)
10. Homosexuality (Lev 20:13)
11. A man and his father’s wife who have sex (Lev 20:11)
12. A man and daughter-in-law who have sex (Lev 20:12)
13. A man who marries a woman and her mother (all 3 must die) (Lev 20:14)
14. Bestiality (Sex with an animal) (Ex 22:19)(Lev 20:15-16)
15. A false prophet (Deut 13:5)(Deut 18:20)
16. A false witness (Deut 19:16-21)
17. A disobedient son (Deut 21:18-21)
18. A child who strikes his father or mother (Ex 21:15)
19. A child who curses his father or mother (Ex 21:17)(Lev 20:9)
20. Men who are fighting and hit a pregnant woman, causing her lose her baby (Ex 21:22-25) ***Note: A good verse to use against those who are pro-abortion
21. A man whose ox kills someone after previously goring other people (Ex 21:28-29)
22. A sorceress (Ex 22:18)
23. A medium or spiritist (Lev 20:27)
24. A brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend who entices you to go after other gods (Deut 13:6-11)
25. Everyone in any town that entices people to go after other gods (Deut 13:12-15)
26. A blasphemer (Lev 24:10-16,23)
27. Anyone who failed to abide by a decision of the court (Deut 17:8-12)
28. Any non-Levite who tried to set up or take down the Tabernacle (Num 1:51)


Let's continue. All scripture references below are from the Book of Leviticus. While maybe not worthy of death offenses, were this a Christian nation following God's orders these banned things would be punishable at the courts discretion. Maybe even death?

1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)

2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)

3. Eating fat (3:17)

4. Eating blood (3:17)

5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)

6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)

7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)

8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)

9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)

10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)

11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)

12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)

13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)

14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (bit of a problem for Catholics, this ‘un) (10:9)

15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (cf: camel, rabbit, pig) (11:4-7)

16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (problems here for rugby) (11:8)

17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)

18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)

19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)

20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (good news for cats) (11:27)

21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)

22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)

23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)

24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)

25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)

26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)

27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)

28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)

29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)

30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)

31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)

32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)

33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)

34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (bad news for Alan Clark) (18:17)

35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)

36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)

37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)

38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)

39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)

40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)

41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)

42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)

43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)

44. Stealing (19:11)

45. Lying (19:11)

46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)

47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)

48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (not well observed these days) (19:13)

49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)

50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)

51. Spreading slander (19:16)

52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)

53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)

54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)

55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)

56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)

57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)

58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)

59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)

60. Trimming your beard (19:27)

61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)

62. Getting tattoos (19:28)

63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)

64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)

65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)

66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)

67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)

68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)

69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)

70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)

71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)

72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)

73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)

74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (foreigners are fine) (25:42)
76 Things Banned In Leviticus


Many of the forefathers in America's founding were Christian. If they intended this to be a Christian nation, like that government they revolted against wherein church and state were one, they'd have done so. Though that would likely show they didn't actually revolt against much at all. They just relocated the revolting to a new continent.
"Britain's Bloody Code" A brief history of capital punishment in Britain

Well we are not Israel and the Mosaic Laws including teh ten in stone are not for the church. America was never a theocracy but a "Christian nation" in that the Bible and churches were the keystone of society.

If you wish I can quote the founding fathers in teh4 enormous amount of times they called this a Christian nation. Even a Supreme court ruling!

But all those laws you cited do not belong to the church.

Of the ten commandments?" ( were carried over to the church. But we are not to obey them because they are part of teh ten given to Moses, but we are to obey them because they are commands to the church. Let me exemplify. I am a resident of massachusetts and the speed limit on highways is 65. I go to california and the speed limit is 65. I obey the limit of 65 in California, not because it is Mass. law but because it is Ca. law!

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

The ten are a ministry of death- not life! And as Paul wrote in galatians, the law was meant to drive us to faith in Jesus, not to save.

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
To me it sounds like you’re talking about a dead god, one much like the Islamic version. Is it that you don’t trust the Holy Spirit to correct and guide us, or is it that you think you can do a better job than the Holy Spirit? I won’t walk around like the scribes with my Bible in hand pointing out every sin, it’s not effective. People who does that are like the Pharisee, thanking God that he is not like the sinner. With a focus on sin, we lose focus on Jesus. We shouldn’t focus on anything else than Jesus, don’t let sin take your focus, Jesus is the healer of your heart. The Holy Spirit will guide you. The devil, scribes and Pharisees always tried to blame and guilt people with their sins, tried to tempt people using the Torah and corrected everyone. Why would God want for us to be like them? It makes no sense, we should have real love in our hearts when guiding people or just ask people to pray about it themselves.

John 16:8-11
“And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.”

We are not in control and won’t ever be, if we are afraid of a little sin. We all know that God’s grace is bigger than sin, so let’s preach grace, so we don’t lead people to fall, because we both knows what happens to people who leads his little ones to fall. We also know that our view on the truth is very limited, but that Gods perfect perspective is much better than our useless and hypocritical corrections or judgement.
Even sinners know that they are sinning, the same goes for you. You don’t need me to tell me, to act as if sin is an act of ignorance is deluded and self righteous. You know it when you break Gods rules, don’t act like you did it because of ignorance, when we break Gods rules we do it deliberately gay or Christian.
People already knows that it’s wrong, no need to tell them if they know. If they have the Holy Spirit it will guide them to change, if they don’t have the Holy Spirit it doesn’t make any sense to tell them about their errors because they won’t be willing to change. You and I are powerless, pray that God change them don’t cast them out if their sin doesn’t effect other church members personally.
Trust in the Lord, he will change their hearts. It’s also not very scientific to say that people who didn’t want to judge ruined the church. I judge people based on the fruits of the spirit and If they have them, most people who, in my experience, are walking around correcting or judging people lack, kindness, mildness, patience, peace and joy. I don’t listen to words from people like that, just like I’m not interested in debating the devil. Why debate someone with a different end goal?

I want people to believe in Jesus because I think that’s the only way to wash away sin, the rest of the way, they’ll have to walk with Jesus. I also find it hard to be angry, correct or judge someone if the law doesn’t apply to them. The Bible says that the law doesn’t apply, if one is born again. So why focus on the law, let’s focus on the grace and spreading the good news, so more people are released from the bonds of the law.

, IT is the HOLY GHOST that truly does work to correct all .
Its just that this generation has forgotten that THE SPIRIT works through men . Let that one sink in .
warn and remind is must . I must heed the SPIRIT and exhort always as i am led to do so .
The truth is , that most folks dont like the reminders i bring , cause perhaps it does indeed prick their conscious .
Perhaps they dont like the idea of being corrected or out of love having to correct others .
Me thinks people love and enjoy this idea that has been sold unto the churches . But it is super deadly .
And that idea is this , OH LIVE and let live , dont judge and whatevre you do dont correct , let GOD do it .
WHEN IN TRUTH its the SPIRIT of GOD working through some of us to do as The SPIRIT bids us to do .
Ever wonder why paul got so stirred up when he saw idolatry . Betcha the SPIRIT of the HOLY ONE
that was in HIM stirred him up and what did IT have paul to do , WELL CORRECT .
I am not the monster men think i am , NOR will i ever stop exhorting nor reminding . We already have
pulpits full of men who wont warn , wont correct , and look at what that has done to their churches . LEAVEND them full .
I love you my friend , but i wont be following the pattern of todays many churches . Cause it dont WORK , it destroys .
Be encouraged . But I must do as i am led to do and out of great love i must warn and exhort , encourage and speak the truth .

 

[TLHKAJ]

3. Eating fat (3:17)

Leviticus chapter 3 is speaking about offerings. In that case, the fat was the Lord's and not to be consumed.

 

[TLHKAJ]

75. Selling land permanently (25:23)

This isn't a universal command. It was God's instruction for His people coming into the Promised Land. The land was to stay with His people and not be sold.

 

[Curtis]

First two were good . but lets not entertain that third scenario . For fornication or a non believer abandoning it . Them two are correct .
There is but one way to fix a marriage of adultery . GOTTA cease it , repent of it .
But as you said the two reasons , aka adultery fornication , or an unbeliever leaving . Of course if the spouse dies , then its okay as well .

David committed adultery with Bathsheba and repented of it, and did not have to leave the marriage.

 

[amigo de christo]

David committed adultery with Bathsheba and repented of it, and did not have to leave the marriage.

WHY would HE . her husband was dead . Thus he could remain in the marriage .
See the simplicity of JESUS who first said , HE who puts away HIS wife and marrys another .
And then we would see scrips more clearly . I notice that when people dont want to let go of something
they are often led to a wrong understanding .
But in the case of david . HE was free to be with her due to she no longer had a husband .
Of course the murder David did , well lets just say the sword never left his house .
That thing truly did displease GOD . But David did repent . And the sword never left his house either .
BUT GOD was with HIM . But take note , The husband was dead . As we all know
if any spouse dies one is free to remarry that spouse . But not so long as her husband liveth .
Uriah was dead . I hope that sinks in real good . Cause JESUS will not contradict his word for this generation .
A word paul knew well . SO then she that be married to another man , WHILE HER first husband liveth
WILL be called an ADULTERESS . Paul knew , they all did . Let us never give people false hope .
Let the WORD of GOD convict them . THUS try reminding with JESUS words and not the thoughts of men .
Be encouraged Curtis . But i am a great lover of the things JESUS taught . The glorious truth .
THE TRUTH shall set one free . OH what great beauty and soul cleansing can be found in the Words of our LORD .
IF ONLY the CHURCH would have taught HIs teachings , IF ONLY . Be encouraged .

 

[TLHKAJ]

David committed adultery with Bathsheba and repented of it, and did not have to leave the marriage.

God also forgave his murder. I know it would have been better had he never committed adultery or murder, but God is merciful.

 

[amigo de christo]

God also forgave his murder. I know it would have been better had he never committed adultery or murder, but God is merciful.

Yes GOD forgave david of His murder . The thing i think some might be missing is
that David was no longer in the act of adultery once Uriah was dead .
You see , the words of JESUS is one thing i want us to follow and keep .
And if we examine mathew , two places in mark and even what paul taught
we see they clung to JESUS words as we must too .
I tell us all if i remarry it would be adultery . I had a wife and i cut her loose and thus i remain single .
And to all others i say , IF you be married put not away your wife
or husband , if one does REMAIN single or be reconciled to your husband or wife again .
ONLY save for fornication can one remarry , or in the case of the death of their spouse .
All things must be kept according to the teaching and the teachings of Christ .
But yes GOD forgave David , and David did repent as well .
Did you notice that at first David had no repentance in his heart . HE told joab , OH dont let this bother you .
But when nathan , who was sent by GOD , told david of his sin , BOY did David repent and very fast too .
That is one thing about one whose heart is truly after GOD
if they commit sin they aint gonna keep on trying to justify the evil , THEY gonna repent of it and flee it .
Our LORD is with the lambs and my advice is , let us learn ALL HE did command and teach
and let us speak the truth of His glorious words to truly build the church up .
And never let us allow sensual feelings to ever once give anyone a false hope . Its simple , if one is in error
Warn them to repent of said error . THE beauty of it is , IF they do , GOD is full of mercy to restore such a one .
But if they harden their heart and try and justify their evil , THAT wont bode well on the DAY of THE LORD .
FOR it is sin that can and will harden the heart and lead one astray From GOD . Thus i say , Let us correct any sin when we see it .
DO all for the good of the other . Hate not your neighbor in your heart , You shall in any way correct , rebuke them
and not allow sin upon them . Me thinks this generation has forgotten that . But oh yes , its hate to not correct .
Thus out of great love i will correct and let all pray for those who are willing to make a stand and correct error .
Cause as we both know , MOST dont correct a thing and thus their churches WENT FULL OUT LEAVEN .
Not on my watch . Though the more i love the people , MY the less i be loved . But be that as it may , My love for them
and for the glorious LORD has me to continually exhort the truth .

 

[Abigail]

This isn't a universal command. It was God's instruction for His people coming into the Promised Land. The land was to stay with His people and not be sold.

If America were a Christian nation under a Christian law of God the land would be God's land.

 

[Abigail]

Well we are not Israel and the Mosaic Laws including teh ten in stone are not for the church. America was never a theocracy but a "Christian nation" in that the Bible and churches were the keystone of society.

If you wish I can quote the founding fathers in teh4 enormous amount of times they called this a Christian nation. Even a Supreme court ruling!

But all those laws you cited do not belong to the church.

Of the ten commandments?" ( were carried over to the church. But we are not to obey them because they are part of teh ten given to Moses, but we are to obey them because they are commands to the church. Let me exemplify. I am a resident of massachusetts and the speed limit on highways is 65. I go to california and the speed limit is 65. I obey the limit of 65 in California, not because it is Mass. law but because it is Ca. law!

2 Corinthians 3:7
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

The ten are a ministry of death- not life! And as Paul wrote in galatians, the law was meant to drive us to faith in Jesus, not to save.

You have a very strange double speak about the ten commandments.

And you've also rescinded the idea that America would best be served were it a Christian nation and its people prosecuted under God's laws.

 

[Jay Ross]

hello

This thread was not meant to highlight the differences between the Saints whether they be Jews or Christians, however, it seems that the Christians who have posted want to show their superiority by claiming that they have a better covenant than the Israelites of old.

Christ's death on the cross was for both the Jews and Christians Salvation and the pathway to that outcome is the same for both Jew or Gentile

Oh how many Christians have fallen such that they will not humble themselves and repent of their sins.

So the cartoon was true in the point it was making.

Shalom

 

[Abigail]

hello

This thread was not meant to highlight the differences between the Saints whether they be Jews or Christians, however, it seems that the Christians who have posted want to show their superiority by claiming that they have a better covenant than the Israelites of old.

Christ's death on the cross was for both the Jews and Christians Salvation and the pathway to that outcome is the same for both Jew or Gentile

Oh how many Christians have fallen such that they will not humble themselves and repent of their sins.

So the cartoon was true in the point it was making.

Shalom

it doesn't surprise me really. I've known many a Christian who are antisemitic at the same time. Replacement theology is man made.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If America were a Christian nation under a Christian law of God the land would be God's land.

Biblically, Israel is the Promised Land...not the US.