Kermos
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100% for sure the term- all creation is speaking about what occurred at the beginning.
The being God sent speaks at proverbs 8--Tells you he was created, God became especially fond of me. I came to be beside him( God) as his master worker(the one whom God created all other things through. Then he tells you ,you need to listen to him. There is no doubt this is the being sent and was named Jesus as a mortal.
In Psalm 82 that being speaks and asks God to judge the earth.
It is Michael who stood up for the sons of Daniel( Gods chosen) Daniel 12:1
100% for sure, "all creation" in Colossians 1:15 refers to all the born by the Spirit of God persons after the crucifixion of Christ, He being the "Firstborn of all creation".
You are 100% wrong that Jesus was created.
Neither Proverbs 8 nor Psalm 82 nor Daniel 12:1 indicate that Jesus is part of creation. You cannot provide a quote of any of those passages stating that Jesus is part of the creation at the time of Adam nor prior to Adam. You take Colossians 1:15 out of context, and you make evil assertions against Jesus based on your thoughts.
The prior post that God had me make to you shows how Jesus represents Himself as truly God at his discretion and truly Man at his discretion.
Here are some specific scriptural instances that prove your error:
- Paul explained the firstborn in relation to the born of God persons (John 3:3-8) in this passage related to Colossians 1:15 "For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers" (Romans 8:29).
- Jesus is the beginning of creation (Revelation 3:14) and the firstborn of creation in that:
- "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being" (John 1:3), SO THE SON OF GOD, JESUS, BEGINS THE CREATION AND COMPLETES THE CREATION (REVELATION 3:14).
- "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" (Colossians 1:15), SO THE SON OF MAN, JESUS, IS THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL THE BORN OF GOD PERSONS (JOHN 3:3-8).
- In Revelation 3:14 we find Christ referring to Himself in His capacity of truly God.
- In Colossians 1:15 we find Paul referring to Christ in His capacity of truly Man.
- Colossians 1:15 does not state that Jesus Christ was created.
- Jesus is God for the ever living Jesus proclaims this Truth "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM" (John 8:58), so according to the Christ, Lord Jesus existed in eternity past which means He is uncreated thus He is YHWH God for there is NO other (Isaiah 45:5).
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