SUN and MOON

[Ziggy]

Be good for posters here to address the issue of the OP.
A Catastrophic Threat:
A nuclear Electro-Magnetic Pulse attack or a great geomagnetic storm would be a catastrophe unprecedented in scale and scope across the United States and in the case of a huge magnitude Coronal Mass Ejection, the entire planet would be devastated.

It would collapse the technological and industrial foundations of our modern society that sustains hundreds of millions of people.

We cannot guess whether terrorists or a rogue State will make an EMP attack, but no doubt this threat exists. But as for a natural EMP event, generated by an explosion of the Suns surface, there is scientific consensus that such an event is inevitable and could happen at any time. Indeed, most people who look into this issue, agree that a CME is overdue and will probably occur in the near future.

NASA estimates in its July 2014 report, that the likelihood of a CME superstorm is 12% per decade. This virtually guarantees that we should experience one in our lifetime.


If the 1856 Carrington event happened today, this would be the result:

The high intensity EMP would not only cause a national loss of all electricity supplies and the failure of most critical infrastructures, but famine, panic and loss of law and order will kill millions of Americans. The EMP Commission estimates that within 12 months of an EMP event, two thirds of Americans would be dead.

We have had many near misses, in July 2012 one narrowly missed the earth and even the small ones that have affected us, causing blackouts and damage to electronic systems. Ref: Electric Armageddon, Dr. P.V. Fry.


The Bible’s Prophetic Word is the source for reliable information about this forthcoming worldwide disaster. In over 100 prophesies, we are told all we need to know about it.

Be aware and be prepared!

Why do you think the elite around the globe want to get rid of fossil fuels and put everything on electric?
It still takes electric to run hydro or windmills.
They just passed a really big bill here 1.2 Trillion dollars for infrastructure. They say roads and bridges, but your not going to build roads or bridges without fossil fuels, unless instead of tar for roads, they pave it with gold. We don't have that much gold.
I believe the money is going for other kinds of infrastructure like intelligence agencies, maybe fixing or updating the electric grid.

Wasn't there a burst just recently a month or so ago, and they said it was facing away from the earth. But if it had been facing us, we would have had some severe consequences?

I just got hit with a click bait ad about a new AI app that will have enough power to generate electricity all across america.
I'm thinking along the lines of Tesla. I've read that the energy and fossil fuel companies won't give up their monopolies in order to bring this to fruition. I don't know, I just remember eading it along with hydro cars.

(I'm a female, and barely know how to change the oil in my car) just sayin..

The bible says a third of the earth will get toasted, Paul is it? that talks about the elements burning up.
I read what looks like a nuclear fallout in the book of Jeremiah chapter 4.

How prepared can we be? Even if you have a bomb shelter with years of provisions. What will be left when we come out of the caves?
Radiation, no foilage, unless we had underground facilities like a Noah's Ark.
Not everyone has one of those in their back yard. I know I don't.

So what kind of suggestions would you give, seeing these things are a possibility we will have to try to survive through?

Personally, I rather just move along to the next journey.
I think witnessing the aftermath of such a plight would break me.

Hugs
and Thank You

 

[Timtofly]

That just makes it worse.

The words are Spirit and even confused by God, holding mysteries in parables (like marriage), until revealed...and you dismiss it all as occult.

So sad for you.

See below.

So when Paul used Sarah and Agar as allegories he was twisting scripture?

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Or when he used the example of muzzling the ox in the law?

1Co 9:9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1Co 9:10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
1Co 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?



Somebody should tell Paul....
Just sayin..
Hugs

It is not about symbolism nor being led of the spirit. It is putting too much emphasis on the dealings of Satan himself in the spirit world.

Genesis 1:16 is about a literal creation. It is not some code for God nor some code for Satan. The error is taking one's "gift" and applying it to a place it does not belong. These two lights are not symbolic of anything. They are just two literal lights in the firmament.

 

[Timtofly]

Could new heavens mean the sun will be able to last forever? I believe so!

Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more your light by day, nor for brightness shall the moon give you light; but the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your God will be your glory.
Isa 60:20 Your sun shall no more go down, nor your moon withdraw itself; for the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of mourning shall be ended.

According to these verses, the sun and moon will definitely exist forever.

If there is a sun and moon it will not be the same two lights in the sky. Everything except the sons of God will pass away. Not even an upgrade. The NHNE is a totally different reality. Probably not even the same reality as this one as a redu.

For one thing the New Jerusalem will be in the way of the current sun and moon. If the New Jerusalem is the only light on earth, it will probably be more intense than the sun anyway. Definitely will not need the sun for the real estate the city takes up. Will the New Jerusalem even have a night, or will the light of it stay on forever? Turning the city itself off would allow for a night, if the city had an off and on switch.

 

[ewq1938]

If there is a sun and moon it will not be the same two lights in the sky. Everything except the sons of God will pass away. Not even an upgrade. The NHNE is a totally different reality. Probably not even the same reality as this one as a redu.

It will be a new sun and moon like there will be a new Earth.

For one thing the New Jerusalem will be in the way of the current sun and moon. If the New Jerusalem is the only light on earth, it will probably be more intense than the sun anyway. Definitely will not need the sun for the real estate the city takes up. Will the New Jerusalem even have a night, or will the light of it stay on forever? Turning the city itself off would allow for a night, if the city had an off and on switch.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

There will be no night there and no "turning off" God.

 

[ScottA]

See below.



It is not about symbolism nor being led of the spirit. It is putting too much emphasis on the dealings of Satan himself in the spirit world.

Genesis 1:16 is about a literal creation. It is not some code for God nor some code for Satan. The error is taking one's "gift" and applying it to a place it does not belong. These two lights are not symbolic of anything. They are just two literal lights in the firmament.

Since you have made it perfectly clear that the world is your reality, you are not qualified to say such a thing. You have no authority.

Even so, I have offered you oil for your lamp, but you would have none.

 

[Keraz]

How prepared can we be?

Its very simple: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Acts 2:21. Romans 10:13, Joel 2:32

But to know what the Lord will use on that sudden and shocking Day, will be a great help to us.

 

[Ziggy]

See below.

It is not about symbolism nor being led of the spirit. It is putting too much emphasis on the dealings of Satan himself in the spirit world.

Genesis 1:16 is about a literal creation. It is not some code for God nor some code for Satan. The error is taking one's "gift" and applying it to a place it does not belong. These two lights are not symbolic of anything. They are just two literal lights in the firmament.

What are signs?
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The literal use of these lights are listed, seasons, days, and years. But firstly they are used as signs.
Another example for the use of signs is here:
Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

When speaking of literal signs and spiritual signs Jesus says:
Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

"Too much dealings of Satan himself in the spirit world"

I get that, but we also have to be watching so we don't walk into his traps right?
And in order to avoid those traps, we need to know how he operates in the spirit realm around us.
God says Satan is our enemy, but he didn't leave us without spiritual war tactics, manuevers , and armor to defend ourselves.

Everything in the world is symbolic. It is a physical replica of the spritual truth we live in.
From the very beginning in Genesis 1:2, the world was in a fallen state.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

This darkness can be seen here:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

When did God command the light to shine out of darkness?
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Turn, turn, turn...
Out of total darkness, God commanded the light to shine. Out of perfect light and beauty, iniquity was found.
And God saw everything he created was very good, except this one tree.
This one tree, this one temptation allowed darkness to cover the world again. And when that darkness covered the face of the earth,
God sent Jesus, the Light of the world to seperate the light from the darkness.

Everything in the book of Genesis beginning at Chapter 1 verse 1, is written in the Gospel.

I know it sounds "cultish" but you have to allow your mind to be transformed to see and understand spiritual truth.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Otherwise you will always only see through the veil. You won't see the truth with clarity.

Manna...
Moses fed the children with manna, he wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. Moses gave the physical version, the earthy version.
He could not share the spiritual version with the children of Israel, because his face was too bright (Light) to look upon.
So the truth was hidden behind a veil. And because this Light was not shone, the earth became void (carnally minded) and darkness crept in.
When Jesus came, he did not feed the people with the manna Moses fed the children with. Meaning carnal knowledge.
He gave us the bread which leads to life. And this bread is Truth, the Word of God. Spiritual knowledge.

This is where the light and the darkness become divided.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

The removal of the veil. Transitioning from a carnal mind to a spiritual mind.
And Satan became naked as a bluejay, because he has nowhere left to hide, except in pockets of dark simple minds.
The longer you keep your mind behind the veil, the stronger his roots grow in it. And those roots (thoughts) become branches and vines (deeds) .
Remove the veil, break off the branches, pluck out the root.
Look beyond the carnal world which lives in darkness and enter into the spiritual world where there is only truth and light.

Sounds easy... But we still reside in a carnal world and it's hard to look beyond our physical senses, or understand spiritual truths.
When all the world around you clouds your mind with consumerism.
You are what you eat.
Eat the spiritual fruit. It will bring joy and health to your soul.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Its very simple: Call upon the Name of the Lord and you will be saved. Acts 2:21. Romans 10:13, Joel 2:32

But to know what the Lord will use on that sudden and shocking Day, will be a great help to us.

It will be the Brightness of His Coming.

 

[Timtofly]

It will be a new sun and moon like there will be a new Earth.

Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

There will be no night there and no "turning off" God.

No verse states God puts any new light in the firmament. The sun is not part of creation, per your "heaven and earth". It is just a light, and since no light is needed, the sun is not needed. Since there is no night, the light called the moon is not needed. No where does it say God put any new light(s) in the firmament. Where do you place the angels?

 

[Timtofly]

Since you have made it perfectly clear that the world is your reality, you are not qualified to say such a thing. You have no authority.

Even so, I have offered you oil for your lamp, but you would have none.

I have explained nothing about myself. You are the one making "it" about me. I never called you part of "the occult". Not sure why you would return the favor? Trying to figure people out and label them on public forums is only rank speculation. Most posters default to speculation when they have nothing to defend.

Yes, the physical world is my reality. I have yet to physically die. The Second Coming has yet to happen when all spiritual blindness is removed. Being born again spiritually is not some special knowledge. It is bearing the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, and faith.

 

[ScottA]

I have explained nothing about myself. You are the one making "it" about me. I never called you part of "the occult". Not sure why you would return the favor? Trying to figure people out and label them on public forums is only rank speculation. Most posters default to speculation when they have nothing to defend.

Yes, the physical world is my reality. I have yet to physically die. The Second Coming has yet to happen when all spiritual blindness is removed. Being born again spiritually is not some special knowledge. It is bearing the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, and faith.

You have heard nothing.

Go and buy oil.

 

[Timtofly]

What are signs?
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The stars, literal angels, have been used for signs for thousands of years. Humans call them constellations. The sun and moon are just two literal lights giving us the calendar and seasons.

 

[Ziggy]

Being born again spiritually is not some special knowledge. It is bearing the fruit of the spirit: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, and faith.

That's a good place to start.
And as the fruit grows, so will your understanding and knowledge.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

Two trees in the garden. Both bear fruit.
One leads to lfe and the other to death.
The serpent didn't entirely lie. Their eyes were opened. They did consider themselves gods. And they now knew the difference between good and evil.
Only difference is in the dying part. Sweet mixed with sour. Blessings and cursings.

That tree was put there intentionally. And the fall of man was inevitable.
The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the law of Moses.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

There are two trees in the garden. The garden is Jerusalem.
Here we see the law of Moses and the Law of Christ waging a war.
You have heard it said, but I say...
A door had been opened to approach the tree of Life in the midst of the garden.

God placed two cherubim to block the way,
and Jesus stood before them and God said, This is my son, hear ye him.

This is now the end of the sixth day. This is the end of that age. God has created the seventh day to rest in it.
And has given all authority to His Son.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Moses represents the Law and Elias represents the Prophets.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

The first tabernacle is Moses and the Law. The way into the Holiest is by the Door.
Jhn 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

Everything in Genesis is written in the Gospel.
Hugs

 

[Timtofly]

That's a good place to start.
And as the fruit grows, so will your understanding and knowledge.

Hugs

This is not about me. Creation is about God. What I know is not the point of this thread.

 

[Ziggy]

This is not about me. Creation is about God. What I know is not the point of this thread.

Then why are you arguing?
Just listen..
Listen, this aint about you.. we're just having a conversation.
Creation is about God. And it's way more than what we think it is.
So I listen and I hear and I learn and I share my thoughts.
You share your thoughts. This is good and healthy.
This has nothing to do with you and everything to do with you,
because your a part of God's creation too.
And YOU are LOVED
God Bless You
HUGS

 

[Keraz]

It will be the Brightness of His Coming.

Much has to happen before Jesus Returns. All the Prophesies between Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 19:10
Rev 19:10 says; we who worship Jesus have the Spirit of prophecy.

 

[Ziggy]

Much has to happen before Jesus Returns. All the Prophesies between Revelation 6:12 to Revelation 19:10
Rev 19:10 says; we who worship Jesus have the Spirit of prophecy.

Are we not hidden in the cleft of the Rock?
The world is moving fast outside. At the moment it looks like nuclear war, but the sun might decide to intervebe with it's own distraction.
Dr. Death who rides the pale horse is on the move. We got red horses, black horses, all kinds of horses galloping in every corner of the earth as we speak.
Pick your poison...

I'm going to stay on the Rock.
Hugs

 

[ewq1938]

No verse states God puts any new light in the firmament. The sun is not part of creation, per your "heaven and earth". It is just a light, and since no light is needed, the sun is not needed. Since there is no night, the light called the moon is not needed.

God is the new light and that light is in New Jerusalem. The city therefore does not need the light of the sun or moon but the sun and moon still exist because the rest of the world still needs their light.

 

[Timtofly]

God is the new light and that light is in New Jerusalem. The city therefore does not need the light of the sun or moon but the sun and moon still exist because the rest of the world still needs their light.

The city is 1200 square miles. 1200 miles high should be plenty of light for the rest of the earth.