Abortion and deceit

[Pearl]

I was being facetious to make a point. I wasn't agreeing with the idea that abortion should be left up to choice.

It was the ruling powers that made abortion legal that are the bad guys here, and women who know no different take advantage of the permissive abortion laws. Before that came about desperate women still had abortions but done by other women in non-sterile conditions and women could die. And people who performed those horrible acts as well as those who aided and abetted could go to jail. Making it legal was supposed to save lives but it has the opposite effect. I have never agreed with it.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Matthew 7:1
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Sister, in proper context, that verse means that we should first consider our own faults before we judge another. If we are committing willful sin, we can't judge another for sinning. That is hypocrisy.

Matthew 7:1-5
[1]Judge not, that ye be not judged.
[2]For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
[3]And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
[4]Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
[5]Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

 

[Pearl]

I hear you: It shows how awfully deceived many Christians have become. It’s our job to enlighten them and bring them back to the truth.

Nobody on this thread has said it is okay to kill a baby.

 

[Pearl]

Cat ears are not horns.

Ah - cat ears. It is not obvious though. Sorry

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Nobody on this thread has said it is okay to kill a baby.

I don’t disagree with that. Instead what they are saying is an unborn baby isn’t alive, so no killing technically took place. They are engaging in poor rationalizations and self-deception.

 

[TLHKAJ]

It was the ruling powers that made abortion legal that are the bad guys here, and women who know no different take advantage of the permissive abortion laws. Before that came about desperate women still had abortions but done by other women in non-sterile conditions and women could die. And people who performed those horrible acts as well as those who aided and abetted could go to jail. Making it legal was supposed to save lives but it has the opposite effect. I have never agreed with it.

That's the propaganda we've been fed as a society. The real reason for legalizing baby killing is that the powers that be are luciferin and they take joy in knowing babies are legally being sacrificed daily. (Another reason is that they are racist, white supremacists who purposefully place "planned parenthood" clinics in poor and predominantly black communities.)

I know someone who used a coat hanger. It didn't kill her. In fact, she went on to have almost 10 more abortions ...plus at least 5 that she chose to carry to term. If a woman is desperate enough to kill her baby, let it happen at her own hands and suffer the consequences.

Whether abortion is legal or not, the elite cult has their doctors who will do their bidding. I, as a child who was born into a cult bloodline family, was raped, impregnated, and forced to endure late term (around 7 or 8 months along) abortion at age 10. It was done in a hospital setting by a cult doctor. They gave me something orally to cause contractions, and I fought so hard not to push my baby out, because I knew they would kill my baby!! The doctor inserted a dead mangled up chicken into me and made it look like I birthed some horrid creature.... then he took forceps and pulled my baby boy from my body. The rest you can imagine .....lots of blood and grief upon grief upon grief.....

Not all rape victims wish to kill their babies. In fact, I have a cousin who went to great lengths to keep her baby. I tried to hide her. (We were both teens.) But she was found and forced to abort.

This is another testimony that somewhat fits my experience...

 

[Stan B]

Um, God doesn’t point his finger and dictate that a miscarriage take place. Miscarriages or stillborns happen due to natural processes, not the Holy Spirit.

Of course God has pointed His finger and dictated that an abortion/miscarriage take place. It’s all there in the Bible. Try reading the Bible before you start writing your own!

Under certain circumstances, abortion is demanded under Mosaic Law. God has also used abortion as a weapon against rebellion and lawlessness!!

 

[TLHKAJ]

I hear you: It shows how awfully deceived many Christians have become. It’s our job to enlighten them and bring them back to the truth.

You'll see that those who advocate for abortion just spill over with hate and vitriol and accusations to justify their beliefs. There is a deep darkness that is very evident. It won't get better. The darkness will increase and the love of many is growing cold.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

That's the propaganda we've been fed as a society. The real reason for legalizing baby killing is that the powers that be are luciferin and they take joy in knowing babies are legally being sacrificed daily. (Another reason is that they are racist, white supremacists who purposefully place "planned parenthood" clinics in poor and predominantly black communities.)

I know someone who used a coat hanger. It didn't kill her. In fact, she went on to have almost 10 more abortions ...plus at least 5 that she chose to carry to term. If a woman is desperate enough to kill her baby, let it happen at her own hands and suffer the consequences.

Whether abortion is legal or not, the elite cult has their doctors who will do their bidding. I, as a child who was born into a cult bloodline family, was raped, impregnated, and forced to endure late term (around 7 or 8 months along) abortion at age 10. It was done in a hospital setting by a cult doctor. They gave me something orally to cause contractions, and I fought so hard not to pish my baby out, because I knew they would kill my baby!! The doctor inserted a dead mangled up chicken into me and made it look like I birthed some horrid creature.... then he took forceps and pulled my baby boy from my body. The rest you can imagine .....lots of blood and grief upon grief upon grief.....

Not all rape victims wish to kill their babies. In fact, I have a cousin who went to great lengths to keep her baby. I tried to hide her. (We were both teens.) But she was found and forced to abort.

This is another testimony that somewhat fits my experience...

Some of the biggest supporters of legalized abortion are white nationalists. Abortion disproportionately affects black Americans, and racists want to make sure to keep the black population down, horrible as that is. Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood, and she was known for having a very unfavorable opinion of blacks. “Pro-choice” feminists love to ignore this notorious fact.

 

[Pearl]

You'll see that those who advocate for abortion just spill over with hate and vitriol and accusations to justify their beliefs. There is a deep darkness that is very evident. It won't get better. The darkness will increase and the love of many is growing cold.

Who in this thread is an 'advocate for abortion' I must have missed it.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Of course God has pointed His finger and dictated that an abortion/miscarriage take place. It’s all there in the Bible. Try reading the Bible before you start writing your own!

Under certain circumstances, abortion is demanded under Mosaic Law. God has also used abortion as a weapon against rebellion and lawlessness!!

In your second reply to me on this thread, you falsely accused me of manufacturing fake pro-life scriptures (an odd accusation given that the Bible is full of real pro-life scriptures), and I easily debunked your claim by quoting Luke 1:41. And now you’re doing exactly what you were accusing me of (making up fake scripture) by claiming the Bible contains pro-abortion commands to combat “rebellion and lawlessness.” A fine example of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Stan B]

I don’t disagree with that. Instead what they are saying is an unborn baby isn’t alive, so no killing technically took place. They are engaging in poor rationalizations and self-deception.

If they say that an unborn fetus is not alive, the must have gotten it from inspired Scripture.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also James 2:26

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Who in this thread is an 'advocate for abortion' I must have missed it.

All people with “pro-choice” views are inadvertently advocates for abortion. They are heavily engaged in self-deception, so they aren’t consciously aware of the fact they support abortion, but they support abortion nevertheless.

 

[Pearl]

If they say that an unborn fetus is not alive, the must have gotten it from inspired Scripture.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also James 2:26

You have obviously not felt a live 'fetus' kicking you black and blue from the inside and never seen picturs of unborn babies sucking their thumbs. If that's not live what is?

 

[Pearl]

All people with “pro-choice” views are inadvertently advocates for abortion. They are heavily engaged in self-deception, so they aren’t consciously aware of the fact they support abortion, but they support abortion nevertheless.

Believing that a woman - especially a non-Christian woman - make choices we disagree with and strongly oppose does not make a person a supporter of abortion.

 

[Stan B]

You have obviously not felt a live 'fetus' kicking you black and blue from the inside and never seen picturs of unborn babies sucking their thumbs. If that's not live what is?

It is not a living breathing human being. They cannot breath while submerged in the umbilical sack full of fluid. When a baby is born, the first priority is to make sure it can breathe.

The Bible says that Adam was just a hunk of clay until God breathed into him the breath of life, and he became a living being.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Who in this thread is an 'advocate for abortion' I must have missed it.

Advocating to allow women to choose to kill their babies is the same as being an advocate for abortion. I didn't name anyone.

 

[Ziggy]

Not all rape victims wish to kill their babies.

I can attest to that.
Hugs

 

[TLHKAJ]

An unborn child obviously has a life, as a lifeless/soulless blob of flesh cannot be filled with Holy Spirit as John the Baptist was in the womb of his mother Elizabeth.

Luke 1:5-15
[5]There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
[6]And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
[7]And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
[8]And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
[9]According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord.
[10]And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
[11]And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
[12]And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
[13]But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
[14]And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
[15]For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The problem is ...those who have no regard for truth will not accept it though you place scriptural proof right in front of them. That's the sad thing and why I will probably not stick around to read more evil justifications of murdering the most innocent.