Christians are not under the New Covenant

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That’s why I said we must have understanding or we can only have misunderstanding

we need facts not the fantasy the fundamentalist preacher bellows on Sunday morning!
 

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That’s why I said we must have understanding or we can only have misunderstanding
But the RCC demands compliance to "misunderstandings" rather that permitting parishioners to read the Bible for themselves so they can see the difference and come to a "true understanding" of what the scriptures REALLY says for themselves!
 

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But the RCC demands compliance to "misunderstandings" rather that permitting parishioners to read the Bible for themselves so they can see the difference and come to a "true understanding" of what the scriptures REALLY says for themselves!

Interpretation provides meaning!

Meaning provides understanding!

Understanding produces unity!


Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Does it mean “faith alone”? “Accept Jesus as your personal lord and savior”?

Or does it mean the Christian sacrament of baptism?

which one?
 

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Mary is the mother of God
Nope! Here are all the verses that use "Mary - mother of --- "

Mat 27:56...among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb'edee.

Mar 15:40...There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salo'me,

Mar 15:47...Mary Mag'dalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.

Mar 16:1...And when the sabbath was past, Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salo'me, bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Luk 24:10...Now it was Mary Mag'dalene and Jo-an'na and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told this to the apostles;

Act 1:14...All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Act 12:12...When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying.
I couldn't find any verses that said "Mary, mother of God" anywhere. So I guess God did not need a mother, right? Maybe the RCC is wrong about that "tradition."
 
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we need facts not the fantasy the fundamentalist preacher bellows on Sunday morning!
  • What kind of "facts" that are missing on a Sunday morning are your referring to?
  • What kind of "facts" of the RCC are better than the missing facts of the Protestant pulpits?
  • Have you been to a fundamentalist church to know this or is it your observations from TV evangelists?
  • What kinds of "fantasy" does the "fundamentalist preacher "bellow out" that you are concerned about?
Why do you think the Reformation took place?
 
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Mary is the mother of the man Jesus who is God's son. How can she be mother to both the Father and the Son?

a mother is mother of a person
The whole person
And the person of Jesus Christ is God
So she is the mother of God
Not the mother of the divinity or divine nature
The apostles with authority from Christ declare it!

Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

scripture says mother of God

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Fundamentalism is darkness
Christ is the light!
 

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That's called heresy!

a mother is mother of a person
The whole person
And the person of Jesus Christ is God
So she is the mother of God
Not the mother of the divinity or divine nature
The apostles with authority from Christ declare it!

Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

scripture says mother of God

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?


to deny it would be heresy

Fundamentalism is darkness
Christ is the light!
 

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Nope! Here are all the verses that use "Mary - mother of --- "

Mat 27:56...among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zeb'edee.

Mar 15:40...There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salo'me,

Mar 15:47...Mary Mag'dalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he was laid.

Mar 16:1...And when the sabbath was past, Mary Mag'dalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salo'me, bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.

Luk 24:10...Now it was Mary Mag'dalene and Jo-an'na and Mary the mother of James and the other women with them who told this to the apostles;

Act 1:14...All these with one accord devoted themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers.

Act 12:12...When he realized this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John whose other name was Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying.
I couldn't find any verses that said "Mary, mother of God" anywhere. So I guess God did not need a mother, right? Maybe the RCC is wrong about that "tradition."

Try these
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

apostolic tradition
Teaching authority of Christ in his church

Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Fundamentalism is darkness!

Christ is the light of the world!

Fundamentalism is extremist and a violation of the Christian virtue of moderation! Phil 4:5

Jesus did not say learn of me cos I’m full of pride, presumption, & arrogance but Learn of me meek for I am meek and humble of heart!

It is impossible to reason with a fundamentalist or have logical conclusions cos they have no logic and no reason!

Fundamentalism: faith without reason!

Fundamentalism is unbiblical: Phil 4:5 Matt 11:29

Fundamentalists claim to believe the doctrine of the “Bible alone” but don’t believe what the Bible actually says!
 

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Check out the praise forum

I made two threads and no mention of Mary!

amazing!