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The church denomination I attend weekly is United Methodist. They are generally progressive with their views and theology. I can tell by how they speak on various political subjects like social justice: Last week, our pastor made sure to denounce racism and call it antithetical to Christian teachings. It’s true because the Bible says so in Galatians 3:28. However, I felt like he was preaching to the choir because nobody in our congregation lynches black people, hurts black people, or treats other races as inferior. But it’s okay: Progressives like to preach tolerance, so there is no harm no foul.

Not every United Methodist preacher is progressive, though. Some can be conservative. Nothing wrong with that (I am after all a Republican), but it can be bad when taken too far.

Years ago our congregation hired a very conservative preacher, but unfortunately he was a conservative of the fundamentalist variety. He made many unfriendly remarks about other denominations like Catholics and Mormons, saying they aren’t real Christians. One time he gave a sermon about how Islam is a fake religion and concluded that Christianity—or at least his version of Christianity—is the only correct religion “because of our experiences.” I thought this was a very weak argument given that Hindus and Muslims can also have very impactful spiritual experiences that make them feel like their religion is correct as well. No doubt our fundamentalist pastor’s thinking abilities weren’t too astute.

He quit preaching at our church after a few months. No one knows why, but I suspect it was because the elders forced him to resign for continually making derisive remarks about other Christian denominations and other religions.

His way of preaching went against Bible principles to love one another and show respect for others despite their differences. This teaching makes sense: If Christians show bigotry and narrow-mindedness, nonbelievers won’t want to convert. It’s through showing kindness, mercy, and love that we can win the hearts of nonbelievers.
 

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Best way to win converts
Offer them an attractive package or threaten them with disadvantage.
 
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Truth matters!

di are you opposed to black history month? Just cos they are black?

or women history month?

Is white history month ok?
Or man history month?

MLK said not by the color of our skin but by the content of you’re character!
 

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The church denomination I attend weekly is United Methodist. They are generally progressive with their views and theology. I can tell by how they speak on various political subjects like social justice: Last week, our pastor made sure to denounce racism and call it antithetical to Christian teachings. It’s true because the Bible says so in Galatians 3:28. However, I felt like he was preaching to the choir because nobody in our congregation lynches black people, hurts black people, or treats other races as inferior. But it’s okay: Progressives like to preach tolerance, so there is no harm no foul.

Not every United Methodist preacher is progressive, though. Some can be conservative. Nothing wrong with that (I am after all a Republican), but it can be bad when taken too far.

Years ago our congregation hired a very conservative preacher, but unfortunately he was a conservative of the fundamentalist variety. He made many unfriendly remarks about other denominations like Catholics and Mormons, saying they aren’t real Christians. One time he gave a sermon about how Islam is a fake religion and concluded that Christianity—or at least his version of Christianity—is the only correct religion “because of our experiences.” I thought this was a very weak argument given that Hindus and Muslims can also have very impactful spiritual experiences that make them feel like their religion is correct as well. No doubt our fundamentalist pastor’s thinking abilities weren’t too astute.

He quit preaching at our church after a few months. No one knows why, but I suspect it was because the elders forced him to resign for continually making derisive remarks about other Christian denominations and other religions.

His way of preaching went against Bible principles to love one another and show respect for others despite their differences. This teaching makes sense: If Christians show bigotry and narrow-mindedness, nonbelievers won’t want to convert. It’s through showing kindness, mercy, and love that we can win the hearts of nonbelievers.
The other side of the coin...if all these denominational groups and various world religions can all have major, mutual exclusive contradictions over beliefs in Deity and doctrines and yet some how all are correct...that would drive me to atheism.
 

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Best way to win converts? “Preach the Gospel at all times.Use Words if necessary.”
Apparently Jesus and his apostles used words...lots of them. So "preaching the gospel" has to have both aspects. Words backed up by actions and conduct.
And how we preach is also important. How did the first Christians do that so that they gave everyone a chance to hear Christ's message?

Acts 5:42...
"And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not stop teaching and preaching the good news of Jesus as the Christ." (NASB)

Acts 20:20...
"how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was beneficial, and teaching you publicly and from house to house".

Matthew 10:11-15...
"And whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it, and stay at his house until you leave that city. 12 As you enter the house, give it your greeting. 13 If the house is worthy, see that your blessing of peace comes upon it. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 14 And whoever does not receive you nor listen to your words, as you leave that house or city, shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment, than for that city."

How long were the disciples to preach about God's Kingdom, in which Christ was to rule as king?
Matthew 24:14...
"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."

Jesus' last instructions to his disciples was ...
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

What are we to take away from those scriptures, which paint a very clear picture about what Christianity should look like, right up until the end of the age?

Paul's words in 2 Timothy 4:2-5 contain a warning about what was to come....something that would interfere with this very important aspect of the Christian faith.....

"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, use self-restraint in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

The time would come when those in the church would not tolerate sound doctrine and turn away from the truth of God's word. They would follow their chosen teachers and only believe what tickled their own ears, accepting myths instead of truth. Did this happen? It was already happening in the first century, so it is nothing new. An apostasy was foretold and an apostasy is what history records. The "church" today is a fractured and divided mess. If Christ was to return tomorrow to judge the world, who would he accept as his own? Only those who have obeyed him in everything. Can Christendom claim to have done that? Apparently that is exactly what her members will do, only to hear a shocking truth from Jesus himself.....
Matthew 7:21-23....

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’"

Who are "doing the will of the Father"? Who even knows what that means?
How many "Christians" even know what the Kingdom of God is, or what it will accomplish?

The very basic fundamental knowledge of Christianity is missing....
 
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Apparently Jesus and his apostles used words...lots of them. So "preaching the gospel" has to have both aspects. Words backed up by actions and conduct.
And how we preach is also important. How did the first Christians do that so that they gave everyone a chance to hear Christ's message?

Acts 5:42...
"And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not stop teaching and preaching the good news of Jesus as the Christ." (NASB)

Acts 20:20...
"how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was beneficial, and teaching you publicly and from house to house".

Matthew 10:11-15...
"And whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it, and stay at his house until you leave that city. 12 As you enter the house, give it your greeting. 13 If the house is worthy, see that your blessing of peace comes upon it. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 14 And whoever does not receive you nor listen to your words, as you leave that house or city, shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment, than for that city."

How long were the disciples to preach about God's Kingdom, in which Christ was to rule as king?
Matthew 24:14...
"This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."

Jesus' last instructions to his disciples was ...
All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

What are we to take away from those scriptures, which paint a very clear picture about what Christianity should look like, right up until the end of the age?

Paul's words in 2 Timothy 4:2-5 contain a warning about what was to come....something that would interfere with this very important aspect of the Christian faith.....

"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3 For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance with their own desires, 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth and will turn aside to myths. 5 But as for you, use self-restraint in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

The time would come when those in the church would not tolerate sound doctrine and turn away from the truth of God's word. They would follow their chosen teachers and only believe what tickled their own ears, accepting myths instead of truth. Did this happen? It was already happening in the first century, so it is nothing new. An apostasy was foretold and an apostasy is what history records. The "church" today is a fractured and divided mess. If Christ was to return tomorrow to judge the world, who would he accept as his own? Only those who have obeyed him in everything. Can Christendom claim to have done that? Apparently that is exactly what her members will do, only to hear a shocking truth from Jesus himself.....
Matthew 7:21-23....

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’"

Who are "doing the will of the Father"? Who even knows what that means?
How many "Christians" even know what the Kingdom of God is, or what it will accomplish?

The very basic fundamental knowledge of Christianity is missing....
 

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Who are "doing the will of the Father"? Who even knows what that means?


Jesus knew what it meant......He even shared the meaning with others.....what is the Will Of The Father? “Believe in the One that He sent”......
I have done that....that is why I am Saved....quite simple
 
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Who are "doing the will of the Father"? Who even knows what that means?

Jesus knew what it meant......He even shared the meaning with others.....what is the Will Of The Father? “Believe in the One that He sent”......
On the basis of James 2:19....
"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder."
....so, what does it mean to "believe"? Are the demons "saved"?
Can you tell me what "the good news of the Kingdom" is because Jesus told us to tell everyone about it....and he said it would be done right up to the end of this present world system that is now failing horribly. (Matthew 24:14)
When was the last time a member of any church came knocking on your door to tell you about God's Kingdom? I can answer that question very easily....NEVER.

Jesus sent his disciples out on a 'search and rescue' mission.....how do search and rescue parties conduct themselves? Do they sit in a nice comfortable building waiting on the off-chance that people may wander in? Lives are at stake here, so we had better know what we believe and why we believe it. And we had better know what the Kingdom is so that we can tell them the good news about it.

I have done that....that is why I am Saved....quite simple
I cannot argue with that because that is not my call....all I can do is alert people to the fact that Christendom has misled them when it comes to "doing the will of the Father"......it means not just "believing" in the one he sent, but obeying everything that he taught....not just the convenient stuff. Can Christendom's churches say that they follow everything Jesus taught? Be truthful....
 
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The other side of the coin...if all these denominational groups and various world religions can all have major, mutual exclusive contradictions over beliefs in Deity and doctrines and yet some how all are correct...that would drive me to atheism.

Why is widespread uniformity of belief necessary for someone who is uncertain about religion to develop certainty about religion?

I am an outlier among Christians because my beliefs are monolartist. Monolarty means belief in many gods but adherence to only one; it differs from polytheism, which means belief in many gods and adherence to many. What would these beliefs entail for a Christian like me? Basically, I believe in God (from the Bible) but also think gods from other religions like Hinduism are real.

How did I come to monolartist beliefs? I don't really want to share right now. There is also the fact that I've gotten into trouble on different Christian message board communities for thinking other infinite beings exist (the mods on those sites were apparently very fragile).

I'm confident enough with my own religion and beliefs to the extent of not having to look down on, rebuke, or judge other religions. In other words, I feel plenty secure with about my beliefs that I don't have to make insensitive remarks about religions that believe in other gods, claiming they're "misled" by demons or something. So again, I have to ask why it is necessary to have uniformity of religion among all humanity to be absolutely sure about religion?
 

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Truth matters!

di are you opposed to black history month? Just cos they are black?

or women history month?

Is white history month ok?
Or man history month?

MLK said not by the color of our skin but by the content of you’re character!

This has nothing to do with the thread. Let's stick to the topic.
 

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Why is widespread uniformity of belief necessary for someone who is uncertain about religion to develop certainty about religion?

I am an outlier among Christians because my beliefs are monolartist. Monolarty means belief in many gods but adherence to only one; it differs from polytheism, which means belief in many gods and adherence to many. What would these beliefs entail for a Christian like me? Basically, I believe in God (from the Bible) but also think gods from other religions like Hinduism are real.

How did I come to monolartist beliefs? I don't really want to share right now. There is also the fact that I've gotten into trouble on different Christian message board communities for thinking other infinite beings exist (the mods on those sites were apparently very fragile).

I'm confident enough with my own religion and beliefs to the extent of not having to look down on, rebuke, or judge other religions. In other words, I feel plenty secure with about my beliefs that I don't have to make insensitive remarks about religions that believe in other gods, claiming they're "misled" by demons or something. So again, I have to ask why it is necessary to have uniformity of religion among all humanity to be absolutely sure about religion?
If religion is nothing but contradictions, then it is meaningless. It would not be based upon any standard of truth. Contradictions result from lying. Why would I therefore want to have a faith based in contradicting lies? What is your belief based upon? From what you post above, it cannot be based upon the Bible, it cannot be based upon any reliable standard, uniformed truth.

You posted earlier "Hindus and Muslims can also have very impactful spiritual experiences that make them feel like their religion is correct as well".

What exactly are "spiritual experiences"? They cannot be based upon any standard of truth. Does whatever a person "feels" become that person's own standard of truth? Each person creates their own "truth" based upon their personal felt experiences? Are you suggesting that you think there is really no such thing as truth or if truth does exist, it cannot possibly be known/understood correctly?
What exactly is your beliefs based upon?
 
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On the basis of James 2:19....
"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder."
....so, what does it mean to "believe"? Are the demons "saved"?
Can you tell me what "the good news of the Kingdom" is because Jesus told us to tell everyone about it....and he said it would be done right up to the end of this present world system that is now failing horribly. (Matthew 24:14)
When was the last time a member of any church came knocking on your door to tell you about God's Kingdom? I can answer that question very easily....NEVER.

Jesus sent his disciples out on a 'search and rescue' mission.....how do search and rescue parties conduct themselves? Do they sit in a nice comfortable building waiting on the off-chance that people may wander in? Lives are at stake here, so we had better know what we believe and why we believe it. And we had better know what the Kingdom is so that we can tell them the good news about it.


I cannot argue with that because that is not my call....all I can do is alert people to the fact that Christendom has misled them when it comes to "doing the will of the Father"......it means not just "believing" in the one he sent, but obeying everything that he taught....not just the convenient stuff. Can Christendom's churches say that they follow everything Jesus taught? Be truthful....




You are concerned with “ Religion”—- Religion says “DO”.....

I am concerned with “ Christianity” —-Christianity says “ DONE”

Jesus was the One that defined “ The Will Of The Father”.....He could have said what YOU wanted Him to say, but He didn’t——Your argument is with Him—— not me....

You want to obey EVERYTHING He taught? OK.....sell everything you own and give it to the poor....If you have two cars and I ask for one of them, give me both of them.....If I slap you, do nothing but offer me the other cheek....if you look at something that is sinful, pluck out your eye.....I could go on....

If you aren’t able to these things that Jesus commanded ( in a nutshell, you are to be “PERFECT” ),there is a “ Loop- Hole”.......It’s called “ GRACE” ......you can obtain that Grace by simply Believing the Gospel .....you can find that in 1Cor15:1-4......Do that and God will put His Spirit in you and you will “ find yourself” doing the things that please God ....
Many of those things may not be what you expected them to be.....
 

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"You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder."


James2:19 is referring to a time when the vast majority of people ( such as the Greeks or Romans ) believed in thousands of God’s.....some people though that they were enlightened or superior to others in their beliefs because they at least had the sense to know that there was only One God......the verse is saying that that bit of “ insight” in and of itself is meaningless —- even the demons are aware of that fact and it counts for nothing in your Justification before God....The demons believe that Jesus rose from the dead also....Do they believe that He “ Died for their Sins?” ..... I doubt it......
 

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The church denomination I attend weekly is United Methodist. They are generally progressive with their views and theology. I can tell by how they speak on various political subjects like social justice: Last week, our pastor made sure to denounce racism and call it antithetical to Christian teachings. It’s true because the Bible says so in Galatians 3:28. However, I felt like he was preaching to the choir because nobody in our congregation lynches black people, hurts black people, or treats other races as inferior. But it’s okay: Progressives like to preach tolerance, so there is no harm no foul.

Not every United Methodist preacher is progressive, though. Some can be conservative. Nothing wrong with that (I am after all a Republican), but it can be bad when taken too far.

Years ago our congregation hired a very conservative preacher, but unfortunately he was a conservative of the fundamentalist variety. He made many unfriendly remarks about other denominations like Catholics and Mormons, saying they aren’t real Christians. One time he gave a sermon about how Islam is a fake religion and concluded that Christianity—or at least his version of Christianity—is the only correct religion “because of our experiences.” I thought this was a very weak argument given that Hindus and Muslims can also have very impactful spiritual experiences that make them feel like their religion is correct as well. No doubt our fundamentalist pastor’s thinking abilities weren’t too astute.

He quit preaching at our church after a few months. No one knows why, but I suspect it was because the elders forced him to resign for continually making derisive remarks about other Christian denominations and other religions.

His way of preaching went against Bible principles to love one another and show respect for others despite their differences. This teaching makes sense: If Christians show bigotry and narrow-mindedness, nonbelievers won’t want to convert. It’s through showing kindness, mercy, and love that we can win the hearts of nonbelievers.
We try to win converts, but no one is saved but by receiving the gospel. The only method of true conversion is preaching the word of God, the source of faith, and delivering the gospel to those prepared to receive it. The Holy Spirit quickens His word to change the heart.

Jews win converts, Muslims win converts, Buddhists win converts, but only God changes the heart, and His Spirit is given through belief in the person of Jesus Christ and His resurrection. The cross is foolishness to men, but God opens the ears to truth and quickens our spirit with His word.

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 6:63
 
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We try to win converts, but no one is saved but by receiving the gospel. The only method of true conversion is preaching the word of God, the source of faith, and delivering the gospel to those prepared to receive it. The Holy Spirit quickens His word to change the heart.

Jews win converts, Muslims win converts, Buddhists win converts, but only God changes the heart, and His Spirit is given through belief in the person of Jesus Christ and His resurrection. The cross is foolishness to men, but God opens the ears to truth and quickens our spirit with His word.

63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 6:63
@michaelvpardo It is indeed a work of God:

"Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6.29).

So much in John 6.... :)