Abortion and deceit

[GEN2REV]

I know this is veering a bit from the OP ...but I believe it is connected: the importance of seeds. There is life in seeds. And this whole "food shortage" and the so-called "seed shortage" (wood shortage, etc, etc) has been manufactured. It's part of the plan of those who serve satan and rule the world. I was watching a homesteading conference video and one guy who worked at walmart (and didn't want to be identified) reported that a month or so prior to the whole "covid" scare, his employers at WM were instructing them to throw away all the seeds. Perfectly good and viable seeds were put into the dumpsters. Now, tell me they didn't know what was coming around the bend!! Of course they do. It's all part of their plan. And they have no regard for life ....especially human.

Wow. I might've pocketed as many as I could if I was that guy. My BS (bad science) meter would've been going berserk.

Do you remember when they were taking all the hand sanitizer off the shelves right before Covid started under the ridiculous excuse that it had ingredients that "weren't effective enough"??

That was so obviously BS (bad science) that I bought a couple bottles of the stuff they had banned for reasons of its "ineffectiveness" and still have some left that I use to this day.

Lately, it's never been so true that everything they tell us is an absolute LIE.

 

[Rita]

The problem is ...JB and Stan are advocating for all abortions on their supposed belief that the unborn aren't alive.

I have come across that conclusion before when I did a Christians ethics course at the London Bible college. It’s not my view, but I do know many, one a Christian gynaecologist that I greatly respected who had that outlook. We never argued about the differing views , we never threw insults at each other.
Rita

 

[TLHKAJ]

Wow. I might've pocketed as many as I could if I was that guy. My BS (bad science) meter would've been going berserk.

Absolutely! I was thinking the same thing. And I really hope they did exactly that!

Your "BS" (bad science) meter makes me smile. I have a pretty strong and intact "BS" meter myself.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I have come across that conclusion before when I did a Christians ethics course at the London Bible college. It’s not my view, but I do know many, one a Christian gynaecologist that I greatly respected who had that outlook. We never argued about the differing views , we never threw insults at each other.
Rita

I'm not referring to insults. My stance is that as a Christian, we should place importance on innocent life ....not cater to the idea that life is something to throw in the trash just because we want to keep the peace. That's ridiculous, and honestly, I believe it shows a lack of character to be so fearful that one is not willing to state the truth for fear of insulting someone who has a total disregard for life.

 

[Jim B]

Satan wants to abolish the idea of mothers , fathers and families as the primary human society.

Abortion wounds human dignity. Over time people will be thinking of human life as if it were planted, cropped and harvested. Satan's plan.

So you prefer that some mothers and/or fetuses who have no chance of living outside the womb should die? Suppose the mother had previously given birth. Should her children be deprived of a mother who would have otherwise lived?

What about if the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest? Should the mother -- sometimes just a young teenager -- have her life permanently destroyed?

What do you think of God killing all the firstborn of Egypt? (Exodus 11:4-5) Or permitting Herod to kill all the young children? (Matthew 2:16)

 

[Rita]

I do have a problem with it because God places a huge value on "seed." IMO, it's a slap in the face of God. And no one can guarantee that conception hasn't taken place within minutes or a couple hours after intercourse. It is murder of convenience. And for this same reason, I oppose most forms of birth control since they do not prevent conception. They only make the uterus a hostile environment for the embyo to implant on the uterine lining, so the baby passes.

Just for the record it’s not something I would use……

 

[Rita]

I'm not referring to insults. My stance is that as a Christian, we should place importance on innocent life ....not cater to the idea that life is something to throw in the trash just because we want to keep the peace. That's ridiculous, and honestly, I believe it shows a lack of character to be so fearful that one is not willing to state the truth for fear of insulting someone who has a total disregard for life.

Sorry but how do you think we both knew that we had differing opinions unless they had been communicated.
All I said was that we chose not to argue about it and therefore chose not to communicate in an insulting way. That is slightly different to not being willing to convey the truth, which in this case was different to one another.

 

[GEN2REV]

Your "BS" (bad science) meter makes me smile. I have a pretty strong and intact "BS" meter myself.

Yes, it comes included with the Holy Spirit.

The Bible calls it discernment and it's almost palpable when the alarms are going off.

Jesus tells us in John 6 that reading His Word is the spiritual ingestion of His Spirit - which is pure Truth.

I haven't watched NEWS in years because it was tantamount to ingesting trash.

 

[GEN2REV]

What do you think of God killing all the firstborn of Egypt? (Exodus 11:4-5) Or permitting Herod to kill all the young children? (Matthew 2:16)

These aren't very legit examples to make your case.

The Egyptians of that time were likely not even fully human - especially Pharaoh and His extended family. There is much evidence that they were of the bloodline of the fallen angels and were very likely Giants. God showed His concern for those races with all the destruction of the various cities that He had Joshua, and others, completely annihilate every living thing in them; man, woman, child and animals due to their worshiping of demons and their less-than-fully-human DNA.

As far as Herod's act, God doesn't ever restrain evil from taking place. That's not His purpose at all; and He certainly isn't judged by us for any evil actions that others commit. That's a faulty accusation against His Divinity.

Do you think the U.S. would be doing so many utterly corrupt activities if God were supposed to keep evil acts from taking place? He allows people, and nations, to build up their tally of sin, storing up wrath for themselves, before He decides enough is enough.
Romans 2:5

Then the next shoe drops.

And that will take place to punish the wicked in our world relatively soon.

 

[Pearl]

1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

 

[GEN2REV]

1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church?

With respect, that's a popular cop-out among modern churchianity.

Lot was considered righteous for judging (recognizing) that the people who he lived among were absolutely evil and immoral.
2 Peter 2:7-8

It is very naive to believe we are to mind our own business as Christians and just ignore all of the evil that others do around us. If we have the Holy Spirit, we are incapable of not judging evil for exactly what it is.

Did Jesus simply ignore all of the clearly unholy people who were making a mockery of His Father's house?

It's supposed to bother us when the world completely disregards God and carries on in evil, unrighteous ways.
Psalms 119:139

If we know that evil is taking place and we don't speak up, it is accounted to our souls by God.
Proverbs 24:12

It's a modern LIE that we are not to judge others. That is a perversion of scripture. We are to judge righteous judgment. Basically, that just means you cannot judge hypocritically. If you, yourself, are not killing babies indiscriminately (and that is really the operative word in this debate 'indiscriminately'), and you know that others are, you are morally, and spiritually, within your rights to say it is evil.

The example that JB keeps throwing around about dire circumstance abortions is not the majority of cases, by far. Therefore, the legality of abortion allows indiscriminate access to the killing of unborn children.

And THAT is a crime in the eyes of God.

 

[Jim B]

With respect, that's a popular cop-out among modern churchianity.

Lot was considered righteous for judging (recognizing) that the people who he lived among were absolutely evil and immoral.
2 Peter 2:7-8

It is very naive to believe we are to mind our own business as Christians and just ignore all of the evil that others do around us. If we have the Holy Spirit, we are incapable of not judging evil for exactly what it is.

Did Jesus simply ignore all of the clearly unholy people who were making a mockery of His Father's house?

It's supposed to bother us when the world completely disregards God and carries on in evil, unrighteous ways.
Psalms 119:39

If we know that evil is taking place and we don't speak up, it is accounted to our souls by God.
Proverbs 24:12

It's a modern LIE that we are not to judge others. That is a perversion of scripture. We are to judge righteous judgment. Basically, that just means you cannot judge hypocritically. If you, yourself, are not killing babies indiscriminately (and that is really the operative word in this debate 'indiscriminately'), and you know that others are, you are morally, and spiritually, within your rights to say it is evil.

The example that JB keeps throwing around about dire circumstance abortions is not the majority of cases, by far. Therefore, the legality of abortion allows indiscriminate access to the killing of unborn children.

And THAT is a crime in the eyes of God.

Your opinion isn't worth anything without statistics to prove it. Gossip ain't truth!

 

[EloyCraft]

So you prefer that some mothers and/or fetuses who have no chance of living outside the womb should die? Suppose the mother had previously given birth. Should her children be deprived of a mother who would have otherwise lived?

I prefer the lives of the unborn be equal in dignity as anyone born. Solutions can be worked out with that in the equation. Fetuses outside the womb what?

What about if the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest? Should the mother -- sometimes just a young teenager -- have her life permanently destroyed?

The child shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of her mom or anyone.. Babies don't destroy lives. It's their lives that are being destroyed. Literally not figuratively.

What do you think of God killing all the firstborn of Egypt? (Exodus 11:4-5) Or

He giveth it's His to take away.

permitting Herod to kill all the young children? (Matthew 2:16)

What would you have God do?
God is good. He doesnt choose to do good. What He does is good because He did it. If it looks evil to me
I know I don't have enough information to judge.

 

[Jim B]

I prefer the lives of the unborn be equal in dignity as anyone born. Solutions can be worked out with that in the equation. Fetuses outside the womb what?



The child shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of her mom or anyone.. Babies don't destroy lives. It's their lives that are being destroyed. Literally not figuratively.



He giveth it's His to take away.


What would you have God do?
God is good. He doesnt choose to do good. What He does is good because He did it. If it looks evil to me
I know I don't have enough information to judge.

Your answers to my two biblical situations are inadequate.

a) God killed all the firstborn of Egypt, both children and livestock.
b) God permitted Herod to kill all the young children two years of age and younger. (and they weren't fetuses, they were young children)

How do you know that God isn't directing Christian physicians and/or midwives to terminate pregnancies?

 

[Jim B]

Suppose the fetus doesn't have lungs that allow it to live more than a few minutes outside the womb, instead dying a painful death by suffocation. Is that really what you want? I challenge you to witness an event such as that and still retain your unrealistic ideology.

 

[TLHKAJ]

With respect, that's a popular cop-out among modern churchianity.

Lot was considered righteous for judging (recognizing) that the people who he lived among were absolutely evil and immoral.
2 Peter 2:7-8

It is very naive to believe we are to mind our own business as Christians and just ignore all of the evil that others do around us. If we have the Holy Spirit, we are incapable of not judging evil for exactly what it is.

Did Jesus simply ignore all of the clearly unholy people who were making a mockery of His Father's house?

It's supposed to bother us when the world completely disregards God and carries on in evil, unrighteous ways.
Psalms 119:39

If we know that evil is taking place and we don't speak up, it is accounted to our souls by God.
Proverbs 24:12

It's a modern LIE that we are not to judge others. That is a perversion of scripture. We are to judge righteous judgment. Basically, that just means you cannot judge hypocritically. If you, yourself, are not killing babies indiscriminately (and that is really the operative word in this debate 'indiscriminately'), and you know that others are, you are morally, and spiritually, within your rights to say it is evil.

The example that JB keeps throwing around about dire circumstance abortions is not the majority of cases, by far. Therefore, the legality of abortion allows indiscriminate access to the killing of unborn children.

And THAT is a crime in the eyes of God.

Very very well stated and scriptural truth!

 

[EloyCraft]

Suppose the fetus doesn't have lungs that allow it to live more than a few minutes outside the womb, instead dying a painful death by suffocation. Is that really what you want? I challenge you to witness an event such as that and still retain your unrealistic ideology.

They should be treated like anyone else who is suffering. Why do these situations make it ok to treat the unborn as if they are not living? Why don't their lives matter to you?

 

[TLHKAJ]

These aren't very legit examples to make your case.

The Egyptians of that time were likely not even fully human - especially Pharaoh and His extended family. There is much evidence that they were of the bloodline of the fallen angels and were very likely Giants. God showed His concern for those races with all the destruction of the various cities that He had Joshua, and others, completely annihilate every living thing in them; man, woman, child and animals due to their worshiping of demons and their less-than-fully-human DNA.

As far as Herod's act, God doesn't ever restrain evil from taking place. That's not His purpose at all; and He certainly isn't judged by us for any evil actions that others commit. That's a faulty accusation against His Divinity.

Do you think the U.S. would be doing so many utterly corrupt activities if God were supposed to keep evil acts from taking place? He allows people, and nations, to build up their tally of sin, storing up wrath for themselves, before He decides enough is enough.
Romans 2:5

Then the next shoe drops.

And that will take place to punish the wicked in our world relatively soon.

Wow, praise God for refreshing truth ....! It's not well received even by those who name the name of Christ. But God will judge us by what we did with the truth. Did we receive His truth? Did we speak up and share the truth with other? It's up to the hearers/readers to receive it or reject it.

I'm blessed to see your posts. Sadly, a willingness to receive the truth is rare in the church world.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Suppose the fetus doesn't have lungs that allow it to live more than a few minutes outside the womb, instead dying a painful death by suffocation. Is that really what you want? I challenge you to witness an event such as that and still retain your unrealistic ideology.

Because of this, you advocate the killing of any unborn child. This is evil. Have you witnessed a video of what happens inside the womb during an abortion? Have you witnessed the babies fighting against the instruments that go in to rip them limb from limb??

 

[TLHKAJ]

Your answers to my two biblical situations are inadequate.

a) God killed all the firstborn of Egypt, both children and livestock.
b) God permitted Herod to kill all the young children two years of age and younger. (and they weren't fetuses, they were young children)

How do you know that God isn't directing Christian physicians and/or midwives to terminate pregnancies?

HE is God ....YOU are not. It's not our right to take life. God is the one who numbers our days.