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theefaith

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we have free will... check
and a sin nature... define sin
The just man sins seven times a day... not 6 not 8, but 7? Show me.

Prov 24:16


Sin causes a seperation from God's grace...
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )

Quicken to bring to life
Thru baptism

Sacrament
A sacrament is a Christian rite recognized as of particular importance and significance. There are various views on the existence and meaning of such rites. Many Christians consider the sacraments to be a visible symbol of the reality of God, as well as a channel for God's grace.

Definition of rite

1a: a prescribed form or manner governing the words or actions for a ceremony
b: the ceremonial practices of a church or group of churches
2: a ceremonial act or actioninitiation rites

Num 9:2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.
Num 9:3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.

Do you keep Israel's passover

no Christians are forbidden to take part in Jewish practices feasts fasts etc
 

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Pro 24:15 Lay not wait, O wicked man, against the dwelling of the righteous; spoil not his resting place:
Pro 24:16 For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.


*This is not for you @theefaith , this is for my own benefit.
Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

May God Bless you and lead you.
Have a lovely day!
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Matthew 3:8
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
I believe the Pharisees and Saducees are being addressed with this quote.
They were coming to John's baptism. Not because they believed they were sinners and needed to be washed,
but rather to make a show of themselves before the people.
They didn't believe they were sinners, so John asked them:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

John is alluding to their lack of Faith.
Is Faith a fruit?

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

They were considering their physical geneology rather than the condition of their hearts.

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Only defending the faith as scripture says
well, you dont think that is for when someone asks you though? Look, im sure you are a decent type who means well ok, but i would ask you to examine your motives here; how might you feel if i came to your congregation and started volunteering a bunch of Prot dogma?
 

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I believe the Pharisees and Saducees are being addressed with this quote.
They were coming to John's baptism. Not because they believed they were sinners and needed to be washed,
but rather to make a show of themselves before the people.
They didn't believe they were sinners, so John asked them:
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

John is alluding to their lack of Faith.
Is Faith a fruit?

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

They were considering their physical geneology rather than the condition of their hearts.

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still a biblical principal or mandate
Not just repentance but fruits also
Good works
Virtues prayer etc.

Eph 2:10
Heb 10:24
 

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well, you dont think that is for when someone asks you though? Look, im sure you are a decent type who means well ok, but i would ask you to examine your motives here; how might you feel if i came to your congregation and started volunteering a bunch of Prot dogma?

more power to ya!

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