To some of the "trollers" on this platform

[BarneyFife]

Not really. Trolling is for the unserious.

But I am into SERIUOS TOLRLING!!! (and shuotign, too)

 

[Aunty Jane]

Hmmmm....Out of curiosity, I did a brief rundown on how much those recommended books actually cost....?
It came to over $400.....Please tell me why anyone would pay all that money to glean information that is online for free?
Not sure why they were recommended for the "trolls".....but perhaps for those who have nothing better to spend their money on.


JW's actually provide Bibles and other publications for free to those who wish to study. There is no cost for any service, (weddings, funerals, baptisms, public lectures, etc for Witnesses) and no collections are ever taken at our meetings.

Everyone who works in the service of God does so for free. We have no paid clergy and we actively preach the good news of the Kingdom in all nations as one united brotherhood, just as Jesus instructed.....so from my perspective, all the available "tools" for Bible study are online for free as they should be. As Jesus said...."you received free, give free". (Matthew 10:8)

The need for hardcopy books is now rather outdated, although they do look nice on a bookshelf. But for those without $400 to spare....the internet is a great resource all by itself....you just have to know where to look and who to listen to.

 

[Johann]

Trolling is so much fun, so why get serious?

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Hmmmm....Out of curiosity, I did a brief rundown on how much those recommended books actually cost....?
It came to over $400.....Please tell me why anyone would pay all that money to glean information that is online for free?
Not sure why they were recommended for the "trolls".....but perhaps for those who have nothing better to spend their money on.


JW's actually provide Bibles and other publications for free to those who wish to study. There is no cost for any service, (weddings, funerals, baptisms, public lectures, etc for Witnesses) and no collections are ever taken at our meetings.

Everyone who works in the service of God does so for free. We have no paid clergy and we actively preach the good news of the Kingdom in all nations as one united brotherhood, just as Jesus instructed.....so from my perspective, all the available "tools" for Bible study are online for free as they should be. As Jesus said...."you received free, give free". (Matthew 10:8)

The need for hardcopy books is now rather outdated, although they do look nice on a bookshelf. But for those without $400 to spare....the internet is a great resource all by itself....you just have to know where to look and who to listen to.

There are also free bible software available, e-Sword, one I am using for over 40 years and the nice thing is that once downloaded there are hundreds of free modules available.
thing is though Aunty Jane, when I was on Facebook the majority of people were biblical illiterate and when I mentioned these free programs they were too lazy to download that.
I love debates, as I have watched hundreds of Jewish debates and were in intense debates myself with Immams and a few Jewish opponents hence the need to be prepared and think on your feet.
I don't know if you've noticed it, but on this forum some are also doctrinally incorrect, guess they are here for the "likes" a massive boost for a low self esteem.
Shalom
Johann

 

[Johann]

Now all you have to do is go to Bible Hub, and you will find all the Bible study tools you need.

...or download e-sword, a free bible software with hundreds of free modules, no need to go online after that since there are people that can't afford to stay online.

 

[Aunty Jane]

thing is though Aunty Jane, when I was on Facebook the majority of people were biblical illiterate and when I mentioned these free programs they were too lazy to download that.

Who taught them that being Biblically illiterate was OK? I was raised in an era where the clergy knew it all for you....he is the one who went to theological college and had a degree, so as long as I attended church every week and put my money in the plate, and "believed".....that was all that was necessary. He was responsible for me and he read me the Bible (not that I understood much of anything he said) but that is the attitude with which I was raised. People were basically taught to be lazy...and I guess it suited the minister because he didn't have to field questions he couldn't answer....people just accepted everything he said was 'gospel'.

I love debates, as I have watched hundreds of Jewish debates and were in intense debates myself with Immams and a few Jewish opponents hence the need to be prepared and think on your feet.

If you love debates then I guess it's good to have that knowledge up your sleeve, but I am not so much about debates, rather I like to share knowledge. Things that I have learned and researched over many years, especially when I myself was impacted by it. I figured that the truth was that powerful....it strikes a cord within and you can't put it down until you have searched all its contents.
That is what I love. I don't have to win arguments, but I like to show people that there is more than one way to look at things and that there is more than one way to read and apply scripture.

The 'big picture' is what led me to my conclusions. Once I had a clear view of what God's first purpose was for us humans here on planet earth, it was easy then to fit everything into that picture, and then like an amazing jig-saw puzzle...all the pieces fell into place.

I don't know if you've noticed it, but on this forum some are also doctrinally incorrect, guess they are here for the "likes" a massive boost for a low self esteem.

What is doctrinally incorrect is a matter of opinion...there are many opinions here...who is to say who is right and who is wrong? That is Jesus' job....I can let him do what he alone is qualified to do....meanwhile, I will state the results of my own research in the hope of helping people to see another equally legitimate point of view.

 

[Johann]

I suppose it would be nice to have help books like that.
I have to use the internet for references, books are too expensive and my eyes have gotten weak for reading.
I can use the zoom on the internet and make the print much bigger.

I think about the days when the early church was just starting out, and they were the new testament. It hadn't been written yet.
They had the scriptures read to them on the Sabbath, not like everyone had a copy they could really delve into.
I think Kings and Priests were the only ones who had possesion of the written words.

I believe we are very fortunate today to have the Bible. And written in so many different languages.
But all they had was the word spoken by the Apostles and whom the Apostles sent out and made disciples.
They had to really rely on memory and each other. And mostly the holy spirit to bring things to remembrance.

And here we all are, we all have the same bible, maybe different versions but still the same concepts.
And all we do is argue about how each one reads a certain verse.

Now I don't know Hebrew and I don't know Greek and I don't know if I have the patience to try and learn a new language or two, as I still grapple with the old english of thee's and thou's.
But I trust that the words in the KJV were translated properly and as accurately as possible.
I know being able to read what is written rather than just relying on what I heard last week or last month or last year,
is a blessing to me.

I get confused with a lot of the terms people use. My grammer isn't perfect and I don't use spell check.
And I don't believe God would have his word so out of reach that even a new christian couldn't understand what he is trying to tell us.
I think we make things more complicated than it needs to be.

But that's just me and my opinion.
I appreciate being led to places where I can dig deeper (specially the maps, those are so helpful)
or understanding how the cultures were in the days it was written.
It's hard I think for westerners to understand what it's like living and being wanderers through the hot deserts of the middle east.
Unless you been there.
All I can do is imagine what it must have been like and try to put myself in that place and time.
Not easy when you really have nothing to measure it by.

Just sharing my thoughts
Thank you for sharing the video.

Hugs

Really Ziggy?

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

..a daily vocation..


More noble than those (eugenesteroi tōn). Comparative form of eugenēs, old and common adjective, but in N.T. only here and Luk_19:12; 1Co_1:26. Followed by ablative case tōn as often after the comparative.
With all readiness of mind (meta pāsēs prothumias). Old word from prothumos (pro, thumos) and means eagerness, rushing forward. In the N.T. only here and 2Co_8:11-19; 2Co_9:2. In Thessalonica many of the Jews out of pride and prejudice refused to listen. Here the Jews joyfully welcomed the two Jewish visitors.
Examining the Scriptures daily (kath' hēmeran anakrinontes tas graphas). Paul expounded the Scriptures daily as in Thessalonica, but the Beroeans, instead of resenting his new interpretation, examined (anakrinō means to sift up and down, make careful and exact research as in legal processes as in Act_4:9; Act_12:19, etc.) the Scriptures for themselves.

In Scotland people have the Bible open on the preacher as he expounds the passage, a fine habit worth imitating.
Whether these things were so (ei echoi tauta houtōs). Literally, “if these things had it thus.” The present optative in the indirect question represents an original present indicative as in Luk_1:29 (Robertson, Grammar, pp. 1043f.).

This use of ei with the optative may be looked at as the condition of the fourth class (undetermined with less likelihood of determination) as in Act_17:27; Act_20:16; Act_24:19; Act_27:12 (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1021).

The Beroeans were eagerly interested in the new message of Paul and Silas but they wanted to see it for themselves. What a noble attitude. Paul’s preaching made Bible students of them. The duty of private interpretation is thus made plain (Hovey).

J.

 

[Ziggy]

Really Ziggy?

Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

..a daily vocation..


More noble than those (eugenesteroi tōn). Comparative form of eugenēs, old and common adjective, but in N.T. only here and Luk_19:12; 1Co_1:26. Followed by ablative case tōn as often after the comparative.
With all readiness of mind (meta pāsēs prothumias). Old word from prothumos (pro, thumos) and means eagerness, rushing forward. In the N.T. only here and 2Co_8:11-19; 2Co_9:2. In Thessalonica many of the Jews out of pride and prejudice refused to listen. Here the Jews joyfully welcomed the two Jewish visitors.
Examining the Scriptures daily (kath' hēmeran anakrinontes tas graphas). Paul expounded the Scriptures daily as in Thessalonica, but the Beroeans, instead of resenting his new interpretation, examined (anakrinō means to sift up and down, make careful and exact research as in legal processes as in Act_4:9; Act_12:19, etc.) the Scriptures for themselves.

In Scotland people have the Bible open on the preacher as he expounds the passage, a fine habit worth imitating.
Whether these things were so (ei echoi tauta houtōs). Literally, “if these things had it thus.” The present optative in the indirect question represents an original present indicative as in Luk_1:29 (Robertson, Grammar, pp. 1043f.).

This use of ei with the optative may be looked at as the condition of the fourth class (undetermined with less likelihood of determination) as in Act_17:27; Act_20:16; Act_24:19; Act_27:12 (Robertson, Grammar, p. 1021).

The Beroeans were eagerly interested in the new message of Paul and Silas but they wanted to see it for themselves. What a noble attitude. Paul’s preaching made Bible students of them. The duty of private interpretation is thus made plain (Hovey).

J.

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is, due to the lack of the printing press at that time, not all bedside tables and inns had Gideon's bible.

But you didn't highlight the part that made you "really? " me,
so I'm "assuming" it's the part about not everyone having their own private bible ?

Hugs

 

[Johann]

Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Yeah, I guess what I'm saying is, due to the lack of the printing press at that time, not all bedside tables and inns had Gideon's bible.

But you didn't highlight the part that made you "really? " me,
so I'm "assuming" it's the part about not everyone having their own private bible ?

Hugs

Since the bible is the number one seller, how is it possible for NOT having a bible?
Most are online, using online content, no excuse for not having printed bible. Correct?

 

[Ziggy]

Since the bible is the number one seller, how is it possible for NOT having a bible?
Most are online, using online content, no excuse for not having printed bible. Correct?

I was... here's what I posted:

I think about the days when the early church was just starting out, and they were the new testament. It hadn't been written yet.
They had the scriptures read to them on the Sabbath, not like everyone had a copy they could really delve into.
I think Kings and Priests were the only ones who had possesion of the written words. * (meaning the synagogues themselves) *

I believe we are very fortunate today to have the Bible. And written in so many different languages.
But all they had was the word spoken by the Apostles and whom the Apostles sent out and made disciples. * ( the average lay person ) *
They had to really rely on memory and each other. And mostly the holy spirit to bring things to remembrance.

And here we all are, we all have the same bible, maybe different versions but still the same concepts.
And all we do is argue about how each one reads a certain verse.

* ( _____ ) * I just added these for clarification
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

On The House

HUGSES!

 

[Johann]

I was... here's what I posted:



* ( _____ ) * I just added these for clarification
Hugs

And here we all are, we all have the same bible, maybe different versions but still the same concepts.
And all we do is argue about how each one reads a certain verse.

Well said Ziggy...all we do is arguing about the interpretation/exegesis of God's written word, not to be tampered with.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What is the gospel Ziggy?

 

[Johann]

On The House

HUGSES!

Love it.

 

[Ziggy]

And here we all are, we all have the same bible, maybe different versions but still the same concepts.
And all we do is argue about how each one reads a certain verse.

Well said Ziggy...all we do is arguing about the interpretation/exegesis of God's written word, not to be tampered with.


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What is the gospel Ziggy?

That God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whomsoever believeth on him shall be saved.
John 3:16. as written:
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

That would be the simplified overview or the subtitle of the Gospel.
As you move further through the NT it becomes more defined. And an expansion or the body of the title.
But the foundation of the Gospel, the way I hear it, is John 3:16.

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

I see what I wrote and I see what the bible says.
Isn't that odd.
I say shall, and the bible says might.

interesting....

 

[Lambano]

What is the gospel Ziggy?

 

[Ziggy]

You know....
There is another gospel. It's the gospel of the kingdom where Jesus is giving a prophecy concerning the end times.
This gospel is a witness against all the nations. And then shall the end come.

Kind of like Revelation.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Gospel:
εὐαγγέλιον euangélion, yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on; from the same as G2097; a good message, i.e. the gospel:—gospel.

hmmm... don't sound good to me, but who am I to judge..
I suppose it's good we are given warning... like Nineveh..

Jesus is the gospel. He is the word of God.

Let's see how many interpretations I can come up with.. lol

I need another coffee

Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

I did it again...
I said against all nations and the bible says unto all nations..

Man, I'm slacking big time

 

[Robert Gwin]

I can personally tell you Joe, that I have posted on many sites, but by far this has proven to be the best one in the long run. Most here are quite considerate, and sincere in their beliefs. Most stay very civil when discussing their differences, and many times give the reason why they believe the way they do.

It is very rare that I want to contribute to a site such as this, but I am willing to support them but so far have been unable to figure out how. I have been posting here for a little over a year, and I am totally happy with them, and how most conduct themselves here. This has been the best site for speaking to new ones regularly as well, many from all over the world, take you for example from South Africa. Truly a privilege being able to speak with you sir. Makes it easy for us to fulfill our responsibility found at Mat 24:14

 

[Johann]

I can personally tell you Joe, that I have posted on many sites, but by far this has proven to be the best one in the long run. Most here are quite considerate, and sincere in their beliefs. Most stay very civil when discussing their differences, and many times give the reason why they believe the way they do.

It is very rare that I want to contribute to a site such as this, but I am willing to support them but so far have been unable to figure out how. I have been posting here for a little over a year, and I am totally happy with them, and how most conduct themselves here. This has been the best site for speaking to new ones regularly as well, many from all over the world, take you for example from South Africa. Truly a privilege being able to speak with you sir. Makes it easy for us to fulfill our responsibility found at Mat 24:14

Dear Robert, no need to call me 'Sir" we are co-workers and what a privilege that is.

 

[Johann]

You know....
There is another gospel. It's the gospel of the kingdom where Jesus is giving a prophecy concerning the end times.
This gospel is a witness against all the nations. And then shall the end come.

Kind of like Revelation.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Gospel:
εὐαγγέλιον euangélion, yoo-ang-ghel'-ee-on; from the same as G2097; a good message, i.e. the gospel:—gospel.

hmmm... don't sound good to me, but who am I to judge..
I suppose it's good we are given warning... like Nineveh..

Jesus is the gospel. He is the word of God.

Let's see how many interpretations I can come up with.. lol

I need another coffee

Hugs

Hmm..too much caffeine, interesting response re my question "What is the gospel/euangellion/besuras"
Here is one for you Ziggi...how many mysteries given to Paul and what are they?