"If you love me, you will keep my commandments."

[Bob Estey]

Yes the two are above all, they are Grace ! Jesus said about that not on jot of the OT Law he changed, So no Jew could accuse Jesus of changing anything in that regard, but that Grace covers all and gives light to all the OT Law, under Grace and this is how they are totally changed ! but still the same foundation of God !

When people claim that the OT commandments are finished ? well yes they are in that sense of old, but now are a new under Grace ! Big difference huge difference but non the less, not one jot is wrong ! and all comes to light under Grace changed ? so they are now lit up due to Grace.

The Law was a teacher for the People of God and when as Moses said, would come, that's when when the Egg she is hatched and come to light !

Anyone who claims that the OT Law is of what it was, now under the OT is a cancer. as it is noting to do with what such was under the OT. such was dead works. but needed Jesus the Christ to bring them to life.

If anyone discards any commandment, one is cursed, because they are under delusions.

All The Commandments are from God ! and anyone who looks down on any is a total fool.

I have a religious mate who he and his Mob only claim the two and the rest were to be tossed out, but that is a carnal position, one who does not understand Grace at all. that's why he is looking for Jesus. because he is not found !

The problem with sin is that it gets us into trouble here on this earth. That is why I recommend we not sin.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

The problem with sin is that it gets us into trouble here on this earth. That is why I recommend we not sin.

wait… so you dont think sin will get you into trouble on judgement day?????

 

[Bob Estey]

wait… so you dont think sin will get you into trouble on judgement day?????

Where did I say that?

 

[Jim B]

No you're mistaken about the love for God a Christian is suppose to exercise toward him, and the love for your neighbor a Christian is suppose to exercise. Someone who is speaking out against that kind of love that's mandatory to exercise toward God and his neighbor, can believe they're guided by God spirit all they want but God spirit guides a Christian to exercise that kind of love not speak out against exercising that kind of love.

Nice job changing the subject! We have been discussing keeping God's commandments and, since I've shown that Christinas are not under the law, to which you can't respond, you start writing about the love for God a Christian is suppose [sic] to exercise toward him, and the love for your neighbor a Christian is suppose [sic] to exercise.

Changing the subject is equivalent to admitting you're wrong.

 

[GEN2REV]

Nice job changing the subject! ...

Changing the subject is equivalent to admitting you're wrong.

And you've been proven wrong in your staunch position that Christians should never obey a single Commandment - while you yourself hypocritically obey NINE of the Commandments - in multiple other threads.

So come on down off your high-horse there, pardner.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Nice job changing the subject! We have been discussing keeping God's commandments and, since I've shown that Christinas are not under the law, to which you can't respond, you start writing about the love for God a Christian is suppose [sic] to exercise toward him, and the love for your neighbor a Christian is suppose [sic] to exercise.

Changing the subject is equivalent to admitting you're wrong.

Loving God with your whole heart, mind, and soul is how much a Christian is to love God, you're the one speaking out against that kind of love, not me. A Christian also is to love his neighbor as himself/herself, that's how much a Christian is to love, you're the one speaking out against that kind of love by speaking out against those commandments how a Christian is to love God and his/herself neighbor.

 

[Jim B]

Loving God with your whole heart, mind, and soul is how much a Christian is to love God, you're the one speaking out against that kind of love, not me. A Christian also is to love his neighbor as himself/herself, that's how much a Christian is to love, you're the one speaking out against that kind of love by speaking out against those commandments how a Christian is to love God and his/herself neighbor.

I am not, by any means, speaking out about loving God or loving your neighbor. We have been discussing whether Christians are required to keep God's law, and you twist it to say that I'm speaking out about those commandments. That is absolute nonsense, an ad hominem reply.

Since you can't discuss keeping the law you obviously are in the wrong. I will not discuss this with you further until you return to discussing the subject at hand: keeping God's commandments.

"For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace." Romans 6:14

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I am not, by any means, speaking out about loving God or loving your neighbor. We have been discussing whether Christians are required to keep God's law, and you twist it to say that I'm speaking out about those commandments. That is absolute nonsense, an ad hominem reply.

Since you can't discuss keeping the law you obviously are in the wrong. I will not discuss this with you further until you return to discussing the subject at hand: keeping God's commandments.

"For sin will have no mastery over you, because you are not under law but under grace." Romans 6:14

No what we're talking about is the scripture at John 14:15 which says: if you love me keep my commandments which is what John stated to Christians after Jesus had died and been resurrected and ascended to heaven. So Christians are to obey Commandments such as loving God with you whole heart, soul, and mind and your neighbor and yourself just as you are to obey not to murder people or steal from people because if you love God with your whole heart, soul and mind and your neighbor as yourself that's the kind of loving person you will be. The law covenant wasn't ever meant to save anyone but that doesn't mean you don't love the way God says you should love him and your neighbor.

 

[Jim B]

No what we're talking about is the scripture at John 14:15 which says: if you love me keep my commandments which is what John stated to Christians after Jesus had died and been resurrected and ascended to heaven. So Christians are to obey Commandments such as loving God with you whole heart, soul, and mind and your neighbor and yourself just as you are to obey not to murder people or steal from people because if you love God with your whole heart, soul and mind and your neighbor as yourself that's the kind of loving person you will be. The law covenant wasn't ever meant to save anyone but that doesn't mean you don't love the way God says you should love him and your neighbor.

You need a new Bible! John 14:15, “If you love me, you will obey my commandments. Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him." John didn't say this to Christians; Jesus said it to His disciples.

Christians are to obey Commandments is contrary to Scripture. Why do you go on and on about what the Bible supposedly says when I have shown you over and over that you're twisting doctrine?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You need a new Bible! John 14:15, “If you love me, you will obey my commandments. Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him." John didn't say this to Christians; Jesus said it to His disciples.

Christians are to obey Commandments is contrary to Scripture. Why do you go on and on about what the Bible supposedly says when I have shown you over and over that you're twisting doctrine?

Jesus told them to teach everything that he commanded them, to the nations, that includes what he commanded them at John 14:15. (Matthew 28:19,20) You're speaking out against the love that Jesus taught his apostles. We christians don't murder people because that commandment, thou shalt not kill, is based on love, love for people. Christians don't kill people they love. Christians don't steal because that law that says, thou shall not steal, is based on love, christians don't steal from people they love. You're speaking out against that love Jesus taught his disciples, but obviously that's who you have chosen to be.

 

[Brakelite]

Therefore I am no longer obliged to obey God's Commandments.

You really really need to rethink this. Seriously.

 

[Jim B]

Jesus told them to teach everything that he commanded them, to the nations, that includes what he commanded them at John 14:15. (Matthew 28:19,20) You're speaking out against the love that Jesus taught his apostles. We christians don't murder people because that commandment, thou shalt not kill, is based on love, love for people. Christians don't kill people they love. Christians don't steal because that law that says, thou shall not steal, is based on love, christians don't steal from people they love. You're speaking out against that love Jesus taught his disciples, but obviously that's who you have chosen to be.

You are making false and nonsensical allegations. I will not continue to discuss this with you. Since you claim I have no Christian love, you are SERIOUSLY MISTAKEN, prompted by Satan!

 

[Jim B]

You really really need to rethink this. Seriously.

Do you not own a Bile with the New Testament? I think clearly! I'm sure that you're in league with Barney Bright, who I am ignoring from now on. Should I also ignore you, since you seem to be cut from the same cloth?

Galatians 3:10, For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You are making false and nonsensical allegations. I will not continue to discuss this with you. Since you claim I have no Christian love, you are SERIOUSLY MISTAKEN, prompted by Satan!

Jesus taught his Apostles the kind of love they are to strive to have for the true God, that they are to strive to love God with their whole heart and their whole soul and their whole mind. I'm not going to speak out against Christians striving for this kind of love that Jesus says we must have for the true God, I'm going to disagree with anyone who says a Christian does not need need to strive to love the true God that much. The love we must strive to have for our neighbor is we must strive to love them as ourselves, anyone who's speaking out against this kind of love we are to strive for concerning our neighbor, I'm going to disagree with, because we must strive to love our neighbor as ourselves. It is a command, meaning we must strive to love the true God with our whole heart with our whole soul and with our whole mind and our neighbor we must strive to love them as ourselves.

 

[Brakelite]

Do you not own a Bile with the New Testament? I think clearly! I'm sure that you're in league with Barney Bright, who I am ignoring from now on. Should I also ignore you, since you seem to be cut from the same cloth?

Galatians 3:10, For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

I have no argument with the scripture you quoted above. All who rely on their obedience to the law for salvation are doomed to failure. But why does that necessarily mean obedience to God's Commandments is now, once salvation is obtained through the blood of the Lamb, an option that may be ignored? What did the apostle John say about those who claim they love God, but don't even love their brother nor keep God's Commandments?

 

[Jim B]

I have no argument with the scripture you quoted above. All who rely on their obedience to the law for salvation are doomed to failure. But why does that necessarily mean obedience to God's Commandments is now, once salvation is obtained through the blood of the Lamb, an option that may be ignored? What did the apostle John say about those who claim they love God, but don't even love their brother nor keep God's Commandments?

One keeps the principles of the law because they've been given the Holy Spirit who guides them into all truth. And Jesus is the Lord whom we obey, not the OT law.

Again, Galatians 3:10, For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

 

[Brakelite]

Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

So why would you not want to keep everything that is written in the book of the law? It's the ones who disobey, reject, and say 'that's not for me' who because they don't obey the law, must be under the curse right? It's the disobedient, not the obedient, who are under the law and it's curse.

 

[Brakelite]

Thank you for your opinion, even though it is not Scriptural.

Not an opinion.
KJV Romans 8:2-4
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

One keeps the principles of the law because they've been given the Holy Spirit who guides them into all truth. And Jesus is the Lord whom we obey, not the OT law.

Again, Galatians 3:10, For all who rely on doing the works of the law are under a curse, because it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not keep on doing everything written in the book of the law.”

Several things need to be pointed out about how wrong you clearly are:

1. Everything Jesus taught came from the OT.
2. Jesus did not contradict any of the OT prophets, nor did He ever state that He intended to do so.
3. Moses prophesied that Jesus would teach the same things He taught.
4. Jesus quoted Deut. 8:3 where it says man is supposed to live by every word that came from God.
5. If Jesus told anyone to disregard the OT writings, He'd be a false prophet.

Antinomian arguments stem from the delusion that Christ came to teach in opposition of the OT and their self-willed attitude. Their position ignores what Isa. 42:21 says that the Messiah would raise the moral standard, not lower them. You say you obey Jesus and that He is your Lord, but it's all talk because you argue in favor of disobedience.

 

[Jim B]

So why would you not want to keep everything that is written in the book of the law? It's the ones who disobey, reject, and say 'that's not for me' who because they don't obey the law, must be under the curse right? It's the disobedient, not the obedient, who are under the law and it's curse.

So how are your animal sacrifices going? I hope you don't get arrested for keeping everything that is written in the book of the law.