The Lord God of Israel has visited?

[VictoryinJesus]

it says point blank Jehovah came and spoke to Abraham. We believe it was His spoksman, bearing His name

straightforward then …who do you say is the spokesman for Jehovah, bearing Jehovahs name?

God cannot contradict Himself.

 

[APAK]

I get what you are saying and to be clear I’m not trying to change the interpretation of Matthew. Instead, briefly I was only meditating on what the topic header is “the Lord God of Israel has visited” which now makes me think of Jesus Christ riding in on the ass/colt…Your king comes Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

there are verses where he spoke of not knowing the time of visitation? Luke 12:54-56 And he said also to the people, When you see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway you say, There comes a shower; and so it is. [55] And when you see the south wind blow, you say, There will be heat; and it comes to pass. [56] You hypocrites, you can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that you do not discern this time?​

no not to change Matthews meaning there but in the OP all the praise for The Lord God of Israel visiting His people and redeeming them does for sure have me considering did His visitation provide drink, meat, shelter, clothing and freedom to those in prison? For example Ephesians 4:8-10 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. [9] (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

To answer your question VIJ, concerning Christ's visitation: I do not think he primarily visited to provide and attend for physical needs such as drink, meat, clothing and physical release from prison. He came to free all those sinners captive in their hearts of their spirits. It was a visitation to affect the heart. Now He may have also produced miracles coincident to his visitation to win minds and hearts, to provide physical food and drink and clothing....this however was not his main purpose for his visitation.

APAK

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I do not think he primarily visited to provide and attend for physical needs such as drink, meat, clothing and physical release from prison.

Neither do I. What I was thinking on was how He gives drink to those who thirst after His righteousness promises they will be filled and never thirst again. How He said to put on the new man after righteousness and you will not be naked but instead clothed in the fruit of the Spirit of God. How He came to give bread saying “I am the bread” that if one is hungry, he shall eat and not beg nor go hungry for bread. (give us Lord our daily bread)? And yes, as you suggested “whom the Son makes free is free indeed” concerning those held captive in the prison of darkness and the shadow of death. I also don’t think he is speaking of physical needs but “seek you first the kingdom of God” ?? And all these things will be added unto you…to me all those things added unto you are 2 Peter 1:5-8 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; [6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; [7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. [8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I’m sorry for so many verses referenced here but you have me thinking on …yes how confusing it is. For instance the first time I read
Hebrews 11:27 Lexicon: By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured, as seeing Him who is unseen.

Hebrews 11:24-27 By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; [25] Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; [26] Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. [27] By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.

As seeing him who is invisible? As seeing him who is unseen? First time I notice that I’m like “whaaattt?”… I had always assumed “as seeing him who is unseen (invisible)”
Was not necessary for Moses who literally spoke as “a friend” of God … must have saw visibly yeah?…but does that assumption diminish all the references to “by Faith” “By Faith” “By Faith”?
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Genesis 17:15-17 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. [16] And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. [17] Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

Genesis 18:10-15 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him. [11] Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women. [12] Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also? [13] And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old? [14] Is any thing too hard for the Lord ? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son. [15] Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.


“At a set time I will return”
“Is anything too hard for Jehovah? At the set time I will return unto thee, when the season cometh round, and Sarah shall have a son.”

Mark 10:26-27 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved? [27] And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

Mark 14:34-38 And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch. [35] And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him. [36] And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. [37] And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour? [38] Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

point being is reminding myself “Is any thing too hard for the Lord ?”
So often I’ve heard something is impossible. Saying … “that is impossible, too impossible, even for God.” But what is Faith…if it isn’t Faith in what man says is impossible but God says with Him all things are possible.

A person can drive themselves nuts trying to rectify passages that seem to contradict each other Vicky. No doubt you believe the Bible does not contradict, if it does what value is it. Some verses are easy to understand some not so easy, and quite literally some are yet to be understood. So the question is, has Jehovah ever been seen physically by human eyes. Jn 1:18 says no, but then take a look at the account found at
(Genesis 18:1-5) . . .Afterward, Jehovah appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. 2 He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 3 Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. 4 Please, let a little water be brought and have your feet washed; then recline under the tree. 5 Seeing that you have come here to your servant, let me bring a piece of bread so that you may refresh yourselves. Then you may go on your way.” At this they said: “All right. You may do as you have spoken.”

That looks pretty clear cut as well, so does the Bible contradict? If so what does that mean? We believe Jehovah has not appeared to any man in the flesh on earth, are we correct? Time will obviously reveal the answer for sure. If you read all these Scriptures of the account, two of those "men" left, but the last one identifies those two as being angels —Genesis 18:2, 3, 22, 32; 19:1
We believe the one referred to as Jehovah was an angel as well, who was sent by Jehovah. Might be true, might not be, you have to decide, personally I do not want to go down the road of thinking the Bible contradicts itself, but time is going to have to answer this fully.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You said “we” believe…who is “we” there?

You said “we believe it was His spokesman, bearing His name?”

Bearing Whose name, spokesman for who? Do you mean Jehovahs’ spokesman, bearing Jehovahs name’? See, I believe that also but I would suggest that spokesman bearing Jehovahs’ name is Jesus Christ the high priest over the house of God …where Jehovah said (unless I’ve misunderstood) …”Hear Him” what is to “Hear Him” if not the blessing of “bearing the name of Jehovah” “a spokesman” to ALL people and nations …”Hear Him” John 7:16-19 Why go ye about to kill me?

if “we believe” it to be “the spokesman of Jehovah, bearing His name” there in Genesis 18…then who is the Spokesman, bearing the name of Jehovah in Genesis 18 …or who is the Captain of the host of the Lord appearing in Joshua 5:13-14 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? [14] And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

I am one of Jehovah's witnesses Vicky, when I say we, I mean those of my faith, or in other words We Jehovah's witnesses believe.

Although we believe it was an angel that Abraham spoke to, Jesus may very well be him maam, as he is God's spokesman which we agree on. We cannot of course say absolutely it was him, but we do not believe it was Jehovah personally.

 

[Robert Gwin]

straightforward then …who do you say is the spokesman for Jehovah, bearing Jehovahs name?

We are in absolute agreement that Jesus is God's chief spokesman Vicky.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I don’t know for sure either but can only share what it says to me. Like you suggested that each has to decide for themselves. The whole of your one post there makes me think of:
Luke 9:29-36 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. [30] And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: [31] Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. [32] But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. [33] And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. [34] While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. [35] And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. [36] And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

Especially And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone.
“two of those “men” left”: behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
“But the last one ( 1Corinthians 15:45) “Jesus was found alone”, the last one identifies those two (Moses and Elias?) as being angels”

Of course that is only speculation…

If you read all these Scriptures of the account, two of those "men" left, but the last one identifies those two as being angels —Genesis 18:2, 3, 22, 32; 19:1
We believe the one referred to as Jehovah was an angel as well, who was sent by Jehovah.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am one of Jehovah's witnesses Vicky, when I say we, I mean those of my faith, or in other words We Jehovah's witnesses believe.

Although we believe it was an angel that Abraham spoke to, Jesus may very well be him maam, as he is God's spokesman which we agree on. We cannot of course say absolutely it was him, but we do not believe it was Jehovah personally.

I don’t know much about Jehovah witnesses except for those who have come to our home. Sweet people who have been just as polite as you. The only thing I found troublesome (for me) was the women telling me they were not invited to heaven. That you have to be invited and how some men in their congregation has been invited but they never will be. They were hopeful in this saying “it is okay if we are not invited to heaven” saying they will live on earth. Honestly I could not understand that …telling them “you are invited” which they wouldn’t hear as if that was blasphemy to their ears. Not to attack your faith but only sharing with you that for me …this sounded odd. Maybe I misunderstood but if some men in the congregation are indeed invited to heaven…how do they know they are invited to heaven? How are they different? Are they visited? Or do they just know they have been invited?? How do Jehovah witnesses decided who is invited to heaven? Which seemed like the highest honor? (If I understood the women correctly)

 

[quietthinker]

A person can drive themselves nuts trying to rectify passages that seem to contradict each other Vicky. No doubt you believe the Bible does not contradict, if it does what value is it. Some verses are easy to understand some not so easy, and quite literally some are yet to be understood. So the question is, has Jehovah ever been seen physically by human eyes. Jn 1:18 says no, but then take a look at the account found at
(Genesis 18:1-5) . . .Afterward, Jehovah appeared to him among the big trees of Mamʹre while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent during the hottest part of the day. 2 He looked up and saw three men standing some distance from him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground. 3 Then he said: “Jehovah, if I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant. 4 Please, let a little water be brought and have your feet washed; then recline under the tree. 5 Seeing that you have come here to your servant, let me bring a piece of bread so that you may refresh yourselves. Then you may go on your way.” At this they said: “All right. You may do as you have spoken.”

That looks pretty clear cut as well, so does the Bible contradict? If so what does that mean? We believe Jehovah has not appeared to any man in the flesh on earth, are we correct? Time will obviously reveal the answer for sure. If you read all these Scriptures of the account, two of those "men" left, but the last one identifies those two as being angels —Genesis 18:2, 3, 22, 32; 19:1
We believe the one referred to as Jehovah was an angel as well, who was sent by Jehovah. Might be true, might not be, you have to decide, personally I do not want to go down the road of thinking the Bible contradicts itself, but time is going to have to answer this fully.

For a person to say the bible does not contradict itself indicates the speaker does not know the bible irrespective of all the barking that is done.
Yes, there are contradictions in the bible but does this mean God contradicts himself. I don't think so.
Discovering how this works opens windows that one didn't know existed previously.

There are reasons that these contradictions exist, however to attempt to explain this to those who do not enquire and whose reason for being is built on eisegesis is an impossible task.
When eisegesis rules, self honesty doesn't.

Definition of eisegesis
: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas — compare EXEGESIS

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don’t know for sure either but can only share what it says to me. Like you suggested that each has to decide for themselves. The whole of your one post there makes me think of:
Luke 9:29-36 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. [30] And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: [31] Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. [32] But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. [33] And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. [34] While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. [35] And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. [36] And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.

Especially And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone.
“two of those “men” left”: behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
“But the last one ( 1Corinthians 15:45) “Jesus was found alone”, the last one identifies those two (Moses and Elias?) as being angels”

Of course that is only speculation…

You are aware that was a vision, and that those two were not really Moses and Elias correct? Many refer to that as the transfiguration. That vision fulfilled what Jesus had told them at Mat 16:28. Peter, James, and John had that special privilege of sharing that vision with Jesus

 

[Enoch111]

When did The Lord God of Israel visit His people and redeem them? How did He visit them and redeem His people?

Once we clearly see that Jesus of Nazareth was none other than "the LORD God of Israel" -- the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob -- it becomes clear that He visited His people Israel when He walked among them. His desire was to redeem all of them, but not all believed on Him.

Thus Paul says that they have not ALL obeyed the Gospel, and this was already predicted by Isaiah: But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people. (Rom 10:21) Paul's quotation somewhat matches the Septuagint here: I have stretched forth my hands all day to a disobedient and gainsaying people, to them that walked in a way that was not good, but after their sins.

The OT in our Bibles has this: I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name. I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts (Isa 65:1,2)

 

[Brakelite]

To answer your question VIJ, concerning Christ's visitation: I do not think he primarily visited to provide and attend for physical needs such as drink, meat, clothing and physical release from prison. He came to free all those sinners captive in their hearts of their spirits. It was a visitation to affect the heart. Now He may have also produced miracles coincident to his visitation to win minds and hearts, to provide physical food and drink and clothing....this however was not his main purpose for his visitation.

APAK

I see the prime purpose for the Son's incarnation was to reveal what for centuries had been obscured, twisted, abused, and slandered. The character of the Father.
Also...
KJV Isaiah 40:3
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

KJV Matthew 11:7-10
7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I don’t know much about Jehovah witnesses except for those who have come to our home. Sweet people who have been just as polite as you. The only thing I found troublesome (for me) was the women telling me they were not invited to heaven. That you have to be invited and how some men in their congregation has been invited but they never will be. They were hopeful in this saying “it is okay if we are not invited to heaven” saying they will live on earth. Honestly I could not understand that …telling them “you are invited” which they wouldn’t hear as if that was blasphemy to their ears. Not to attack your faith but only sharing with you that for me …this sounded odd. Maybe I misunderstood but if some men in the congregation are indeed invited to heaven…how do they know they are invited to heaven? How are they different? Are they visited? Or do they just know they have been invited?? How do Jehovah witnesses decided who is invited to heaven? Which seemed like the highest honor? (If I understood the women correctly)

I am one who has not been called Vicky. I am great with it as I prefer not to be called, however if I were I would accept. As you know God made humans to live on the earth, that is His purpose, and what goes forth out of His mouth will be Isa 55:11. He formed the earth to be inhabited and it will never be destroyed Isa 45:18; Ecc 1:4. Very likely you are familiar that Jesus said the meek (his sheep) will inherit the earth. He was quoting Ps 37:11 which goes on to say in verse 29 that they will reside on it forever. You can quote the Lord's prayer in which you have prayed many times, when you ask for God's Kingdom to come, you are asking for His Kingdom to come to earth, so that His will, will be done here on earth as it is in heaven. Jesus has two groups of sheep Jn 10:16, those of the fold are those called the little flock Luke 12:32, and Jesus told them that Jehovah gave the Kingdom to them. How so? From among His people, 144,000 are selected and enter into the covenant Jesus made with his faithful apostles on Nisan 14, 33 CE the last night of his human life. What is their part in the Kingdom arrangement? They have been purchased by the redeeming blood of Jesus, as we all are, but they are anointed by holy spirit to serve as Kings and Priests with Jesus as King Rev 5:9,10. They will reside in heaven, redeemed from the earth Rev 14:3.

That is it in the nutshell maam, I think it makes perfect sense if you think about it. I am perfectly happy living here on earth, that God so wisely made for us. As sure as God exists when He opens His hand and satisfies the desire of every living thing Ps 145:16 I think the word ecstasy will be an understatement, don't you? I certainly hope to be there.

How do they know they are called? Paul said this: (Romans 8:14-17) . . .For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.

Only they know beyond a reasonable doubt that they have been called. If you attend the Memorial of Christs death this year you will likely hear that if there is any doubt in your mind that you have the calling, then you have not been called.

 

[Robert Gwin]

For a person to say the bible does not contradict itself indicates the speaker does not know the bible irrespective of all the barking that is done.
Yes, there are contradictions in the bible but does this mean God contradicts himself. I don't think so.
Discovering how this works opens windows that one didn't know existed previously.

There are reasons that these contradictions exist, however to attempt to explain this to those who do not enquire and whose reason for being is built on eisegesis is an impossible task.
When eisegesis rules, self honesty doesn't.

Definition of eisegesis
: the interpretation of a text (as of the Bible) by reading into it one's own ideas — compare EXEGESIS

If the Bible is inspired of God, there can be no contradictions sir, however, the Bible actually does not exist. There are mistakes in every version, however truth can still be found, as we live in the age of information Dan 12:4.

Some translation errors might lead to a contradiction, but mostly if there is a contradiction it is usually because of interpretation. If you give me an example of a contradiction, if I am able, I will do my utmost to explain why it isn't Thinkr.

 

[APAK]

I see the prime purpose for the Son's incarnation was to reveal what for centuries had been obscured, twisted, abused, and slandered. The character of the Father.
Also...
KJV Isaiah 40:3
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

KJV Matthew 11:7-10
7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

From the 100,000 m view I agree with you, although not by any incarnation of his son to reveal the Father's character to us.

The Father's character is love for eternal life by restoration, through his grace who wants harmony for himself and his creation.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am one who has not been called Vicky. I am great with it as I prefer not to be called, however if I were I would accept. As you know God made humans to live on the earth, that is His purpose, and what goes forth out of His mouth will be Isa 55:11. He formed the earth to be inhabited and it will never be destroyed Isa 45:18; Ecc 1:4. Very likely you are familiar that Jesus said the meek (his sheep) will inherit the earth. He was quoting Ps 37:11 which goes on to say in verse 29 that they will reside on it forever. You can quote the Lord's prayer in which you have prayed many times, when you ask for God's Kingdom to come, you are asking for His Kingdom to come to earth, so that His will, will be done here on earth as it is in heaven. Jesus has two groups of sheep Jn 10:16, those of the fold are those called the little flock Luke 12:32, and Jesus told them that Jehovah gave the Kingdom to them. How so? From among His people, 144,000 are selected and enter into the covenant Jesus made with his faithful apostles on Nisan 14, 33 CE the last night of his human life. What is their part in the Kingdom arrangement? They have been purchased by the redeeming blood of Jesus, as we all are, but they are anointed by holy spirit to serve as Kings and Priests with Jesus as King Rev 5:9,10. They will reside in heaven, redeemed from the earth Rev 14:3.

That is it in the nutshell maam, I think it makes perfect sense if you think about it. I am perfectly happy living here on earth, that God so wisely made for us. As sure as God exists when He opens His hand and satisfies the desire of every living thing Ps 145:16 I think the word ecstasy will be an understatement, don't you? I certainly hope to be there.

How do they know they are called? Paul said this: (Romans 8:14-17) . . .For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons. 15 For you did not receive a spirit of slavery causing fear again, but you received a spirit of adoption as sons, by which spirit we cry out: “Abba, Father!” 16 The spirit itself bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17 If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.

Only they know beyond a reasonable doubt that they have been called. If you attend the Memorial of Christs death this year you will likely hear that if there is any doubt in your mind that you have the calling, then you have not been called.

i don’t understand the being called and not being called? How do you know who is called?

But I have to say is admirable that you are content with wherever God places you. I need to learn to be more content.

 

[Robert Gwin]

i don’t understand the being called and not being called? How do you know who is called?

But I have to say is admirable that you are content with wherever God places you. I need to learn to be more content.

I am sorry maam, you used the term invited, that is what I meant by being called. Those who go to heaven have been selected. Since you like doing further research lets look at one verse Paul used to them he said: (1 Corinthians 1:2) . . .to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones. . .
As you can see in this version of the Bible (NWT) the translator used "called". So getting out your invaluable tool the Strongs, what was the original Greek word found there and what does it mean? We find:
klhtovß Kletos (klay-tos');
Word Origin: Greek, Adjective, Strong #: 2822
called, invited (to a banquet)

1. 1. invited (by God in the proclamation of the Gospel) to obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom through Christ
   2. called to (the discharge of) some office
      1. divinely selected and appointed

We see that the KJV used the term called as well, out of all the synonyms this gave, Divinely selected and appointed is actually most appropriate, as that is how they are called.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I am sorry maam, you used the term invited, that is what I meant by being called. Those who go to heaven have been selected. Since you like doing further research lets look at one verse Paul used to them he said: (1 Corinthians 1:2) . . .to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to you who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones. . .
As you can see in this version of the Bible (NWT) the translator used "called". So getting out your invaluable tool the Strongs, what was the original Greek word found there and what does it mean? We find:
klhtovß Kletos (klay-tos');
Word Origin: Greek, Adjective, Strong #: 2822
called, invited (to a banquet)

1. 1. invited (by God in the proclamation of the Gospel) to obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom through Christ
   2. called to (the discharge of) some office
      1. divinely selected and appointed

We see that the KJV used the term called as well, out of all the synonyms this gave, Divinely selected and appointed is actually most appropriate, as that is how they are called.

about to have to go get ready for the day. Thank you for coming back to explain further. I’ll look at it closer this evening. One thing that immediately comes to mind from what you shared on being called or invited is:
Romans 12:4-10 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: [5] So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. [6] Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; [7] Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; [8] Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. [9] Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. [10] Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

The lexicon version doesn’t have “let us wait on our ministry” but “let us wait” makes me think of a need to be called or invited to fulfill the gift or office or part differing according to Grace given to us by God.

 

[Waiting on him]

If the Bible is inspired of God, there can be no contradictions sir, however, the Bible actually does not exist. There are mistakes in every version, however truth can still be found, as we live in the age of information Dan 12:4.

Some translation errors might lead to a contradiction, but mostly if there is a contradiction it is usually because of interpretation. If you give me an example of a contradiction, if I am able, I will do my utmost to explain why it isn't Thinkr.

I have one, I believe it was John that said no one has seen the Father and lived, though Jesus said to Philip….. if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the father?

 

[Waiting on him]

John 6:46 KJV
[46] Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
My bad It was Jesus said he’d seen the father or he which is of God.

wander what which is if God implies.