“No Longer Servants”

[Jim B]

The WHOLE BIBLE. You don't believe anyone who lived before Christ is saved?

Everyone is saved by the blood of Christ. If anyone was saved before His sacrifice, show me where in the Bible it says that.

John 10:9, "I am the door. If anyone enters through me, he will be saved, and will come in and go out, and find pasture."

Acts 4:12, "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.”

Romans 5:10, "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life?" (future tense)

Romans 10:9, "because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Romans 11:26, "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will [future tense] remove ungodliness from Jacob."

2 Timothy 1:9, "He is the one who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not based on our works but on his own purpose and grace, granted to us in Christ Jesus before time began,"

Titus 3:4-6, " But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love for mankind appeared, he saved us not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us in full measure through Jesus Christ our Savior."

If you actually believe that salvation is possible without Christ's atoning sacrifice, then you are disbelieving what Scripture clearly says. Once again...

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.”

 

[reformed1689]

Everyone is saved by the blood of Christ. If anyone was saved before His sacrifice, show me where in the Bible it says that.

John 10:9, "I am the door. If anyone enters through me, he will be saved, and will come in and go out, and find pasture."

Acts 4:12, "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.”

Romans 5:10, "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, how much more, since we have been reconciled, will we be saved by his life?" (future tense)

Romans 10:9, "because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

Romans 11:26, "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will [future tense] remove ungodliness from Jacob."

2 Timothy 1:9, "He is the one who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not based on our works but on his own purpose and grace, granted to us in Christ Jesus before time began,"

Titus 3:4-6, " But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love for mankind appeared, he saved us not by works of righteousness that we have done but on the basis of his mercy, through the washing of the new birth and the renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us in full measure through Jesus Christ our Savior."

If you actually believe that salvation is possible without Christ's atoning sacrifice, then you are disbelieving what Scripture clearly says. Once again...

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.”

So are you suggesting that nobody who lived before Christ is saved?

 

[Jim B]

The Bible actually disagrees with this. (Romans 3:12)

One verse taken out of context to try to prove doctrine is very poor exegesis. The Bible says a lot more than one partial sentence quoted from the Old Testament. Using your logic, the Bible says... “There is no God.” Psalm 14:1b

 

[Jim B]

So are you suggesting that nobody who lived before Christ is saved?

How many times must I post this? ""And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

I am not suggesting anything. Jesus Christ is the only Savior; no one else. It is impossible to be saved with accepting Christ's sacrifice as a substitution for your own punishment for your sins.

 

[reformed1689]

One verse taken out of context to try to prove doctrine is very poor exegesis. The Bible says a lot more than one partial sentence quoted from the Old Testament. Using your logic, the Bible says... “There is no God.” Psalm 14:1b

That is absurd, you just don't like that the Bible says there is none good. It is part of the GREATER discourse of the entire book of Romans that shows the sovereignty of God. I did not take it out of context and I detest your assertion that my logic says there is no God because you take MY comments out of context and apply a strawman argument.

 

[reformed1689]

How many times must I post this? ""And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12

I am not suggesting anything. Jesus Christ is the only Savior; no one else. It is impossible to be saved with accepting Christ's sacrifice as a substitution for your own punishment for your sins.

Are people who lived before Christ in Heaven, yes or no?

 

[Jim B]

That is absurd, you just don't like that the Bible says there is none good. It is part of the GREATER discourse of the entire book of Romans that shows the sovereignty of God. I did not take it out of context and I detest your assertion that my logic says there is no God because you take MY comments out of context and apply a strawman argument.

Since you can't carry on a decent conversation, I am ignoring you from now on.

P.S. Why does your signature say "There is so much biblical illiteracy in the church today..."? Are you including yourself in that condemnation?

 

[reformed1689]

Since you can't carry on a decent conversation, I am ignoring you from now on.

P.S. Why does your signature say "There is so much biblical illiteracy in the church today..."? Are you including yourself in that condemnation?

No I am not including myself in that, I'm not the one saying people who lived before Christ aren't part of the Kingdom.

 

[reformed1689]

Since you can't carry on a decent conversation, I am ignoring you from now on.

You take my comments out of context, apply strawman arguments, and ignore parts of Scripture and you think I am the one not holding a decent conversation? Goodness.

 

[Jim B]

I'm not sure how this thread has gotten so far away from the OP subject: no longer servants.

Christians are God's adopted children.

"Now before faith came we were held in custody under the law, being kept as prisoners until the coming faith would be revealed. Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith." Galatians 3:23-26

Of course this doesn't absolve us of the responsibility to serve our Lord Jesus Christ. He is our "boss" and gave us a model to follow: to faithfully serve others.

 

[michaelvpardo]

No sir. The unsaved cannot do good works. That is what Scripture states. Don't ignore Scripture. Who was Luke 10 speaking to? The same that all parables are speaking to, the elect, the saved. The saved do good works through Christ.

The Holy Spirit doesn't need to be saved, He's God. If you deny His works before Christ then you're denying scripture itself.

 

[reformed1689]

The Holy Spirit doesn't need to be saved, He's God. If you deny His works before Christ then you're denying scripture itself.

How did I deny anything about the Spirit? Another strawman argument.

 

[michaelvpardo]

That is absurd, you just don't like that the Bible says there is none good. It is part of the GREATER discourse of the entire book of Romans that shows the sovereignty of God. I did not take it out of context and I detest your assertion that my logic says there is no God because you take MY comments out of context and apply a strawman argument.

Isn't that what you did with me?

 

[michaelvpardo]

How did I deny anything about the Spirit? Another strawman argument.

You made the claim that no one unsaved could do good works, but scripture never says that. Scripture says that there is none good but God, so you assert that people evil by nature can do nothing good. Then you assert someone like the good Samaritan was saved. Why? Was he saved by doing good works?
Jesus said,

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! Matthew 7:11
So, if you being evil by nature give "good gifts" to your children, then your good gifts are still an evil work because you're evil?

Even Isaiah made no such claim about works themselves.
Isaiah 64:6
But we are all like an unclean thing, And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags; We all fade as a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, Have taken us away.
He doesn't say all our evil works are as menstrual clothes, but he says our righteousnesses, (our good works) are like menstrual clothes. The works are good works according to this passage, but still unclean before God. The whole point is that our works don't change who we are, and who we are needs to be changed.

 

[reformed1689]

Then you assert someone like the good Samaritan was saved.

The good Samaritan was a FICTIONAL character.

 

[theefaith]

Yes, we either truly want faith in Christ, or our desire for faith is merely whimsical; and He knows which, and show us (Rom 10:9,10).

explain these please?


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

 

[reformed1689]

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible!

Ephesians 2:8-9 would tend to disagree with you.

 

[michaelvpardo]

The good Samaritan was a FICTIONAL character.

Prove it.
So Jesus told parables in which He lied?
Your theology is terrible and definitely not reformed.

 

[reformed1689]

Prove it.
So Jesus told parables in which He lied?
Your theology is terrible and definitely not reformed.

How did I say he lied? And you think the Good Samaritan was NOT fictional character? No, my theology is not terrible sir. You just have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[michaelvpardo]

How did I say he lied? And you think the Good Samaritan was NOT fictional character? No, my theology is not terrible sir. You just have no idea what you are talking about.

You can know Jesus personally if you simply put your trust in Him alone instead of this poor understanding of reform doctrine. Believe Jesus Christ. He died for your sin, but He lives to set you free from the grip of sin and death. Submit to Him and pray for His Spirit and He will free you from this darkness.