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Is Jesus God?


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Buzzfruit

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The gospel message for the end time, When the Lords two witnesses begin their ministry, Will be "repent and believe the gospel or die". It will be the transition into the Kingdom of God and grace will end for everyone outside.

We are in the end times. The end times began when the Roman Empire came on the world stage. Which is why Jesus was born at that time. It is the last Empire that was and is to come just before the return of Jesus. He came into the world as a child when the Roman Empire ruled and when He returns the Roman Empire will once again dominate the world.
 

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Roman empire Rubbish!

One should make sure that your children get baptised and that you do all that you can to lead them to Christ and that is your duty.
I know people who have children that have turned from Christ and it is very upsetting for them to see the worlds Satan rob them of their most precious possession they need. to have life abundantly.

There is no pressure but people need to comprehend that you are not joking. and you say O' well.
 

Buzzfruit

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Roman empire Rubbish!

You call it rubbish but it is prophesied in the Bible.

One should make sure that your children get baptised and that you do all that you can to lead them to Christ and that is your duty.
I know people who have children that have turned from Christ and it is very upsetting for them to see the worlds Satan rob them of their most precious possession they need. to have life abundantly.

There is no pressure but people need to comprehend that you are not joking. and you say O' well.

You cannot force conversion on anyone. God has to convict the mind then the person much chose for themselves if they are going to respond to God's call. Baptism is not a magic ritual that one goes through that automatically make a person converted just because he or she did it.
 

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We are in the end times. The end times began when the Roman Empire came on the world stage. Which is why Jesus was born at that time. It is the last Empire that was and is to come just before the return of Jesus. He came into the world as a child when the Roman Empire ruled and when He returns the Roman Empire will once again dominate the world.
2500 year old endtime? I don't think so.
 

Buzzfruit

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2500 year old endtime? I don't think so.


You are viewing time the way human beings view time. You need to study the book of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the image that he dreamed that was God inspired. The various metals, each representing a world ruling empire or an age in which those empires would dominate. We are in the last age of the last metal/empire (the Roman Empire) in the image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed. The Roman Empire will rise again. The scripture say its deadly wound will be heald and world will marvel at it.....they will not expect it because people think the Roman Empire is dead.
 

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It is my contention that beast you refer is one of two entities. Either the UN, as Biblescribe has put forth, or the world banking system. Both currently hold power and are able to deceive many

The images in Nebuchadnezzar's dream represented kingdoms or Empires that would come after his Empire. So it make sense to reason that the last metal on the image that he dreamed also represents an empire.....it would be consistent with the others that came before it.
 

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...We are in the last age of the last metal/empire (the Roman Empire) ... people think the Roman Empire is dead.



Ummmmmmm, Scripture says the Roman Empire is DEAD, and History agrees. So is there some vestige of that historical structure which still exists?

Well, -- Scripture provides that the Empire of Clay, the FIFTH "divided" empire (Ref. Daniel 2:41) would have the residue of Iron in it. And History tells us that where the Roman Empire was never conquered, the disparate kingdoms, fifedoms, communities, and villages, ALL retained the Roman Representative Republic model. Were they still Roman? -- NO. However, there was no model to replace their previous empire influence.

And so today we in the United States still follows the Representative Republic model:

... and to the Republic for which it stands ...

-- and so too, virtually every nation on earth.


But as to any Revived Roman Empire, if this were true then Daniel 2:45 would provide a 4a/4b sequence, but it doesn't. It's the Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold, -- 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE, and this FIFTH empire of Clay is indeed "divided" between three superpowers: Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.; Bear, Russia; and Leopard, China. And of course the "dreadful" is the United Nations -- having FIVE current Security Council Permanent Members, and FIVE nominated Security Council Permanent Members, = 10.



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lawrance

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You call it rubbish but it is prophesied in the Bible.



You cannot force conversion on anyone. God has to convict the mind then the person much chose for themselves if they are going to respond to God's call. Baptism is not a magic ritual that one goes through that automatically make a person converted just because he or she did it.
That is so.
But the roman empire looks to be the UN not Rome.
 

us2are1

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You are viewing time the way human beings view time. You need to study the book of Daniel and Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the image that he dreamed that was God inspired. The various metals, each representing a world ruling empire or an age in which those empires would dominate. We are in the last age of the last metal/empire (the Roman Empire) in the image that Nebuchadnezzar dreamed. The Roman Empire will rise again. The scripture say its deadly wound will be heald and world will marvel at it.....they will not expect it because people think the Roman Empire is dead.



The roman empire is gone but in spirit Babylon and the Roman Empire and the sinful nation (the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit) ,calling itself by Gods name, are very much alive.




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The roman empire is gone but in spirit Babylon and the Roman Empire and the sinful nation (the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit) ,calling itself by Gods name, are very much alive.

Hi us2are1,

I would propose that the model which Nebuchadnezzar created is still manifest in our governments. This is what the creators of Superman perceived when they named the city which Superman lived in. As such, one should anticipate that the pinnacle manifest transcended the literal Babylon to ~Alexandria, to ~Athens, to ~Rome, ~to Paris, to ~London, to New York City, and will finally arrive to Jerusalem.

Secondly, the Roman Empire (Iron) created the Representative Republic model. It is retained by virtually every government today, including the 3-superpowers (Clay), and is not "in spirit", but is tangible:


... and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands ...


Thus we see a bicameral House of Representatives, and a Senate.



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We all claim to know god but we lack understanding and interpretation most times. If truly we are serving one god, we will know the truth if jesus christ is god or not and not arguing unneccessary argument.

i have come to realize that humans have different spirits in them.
 

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and that is why Jesus shouldn't be worshiped.... God does not approve of us worshiping any other gods.
Hebrews 1:6 (NKJV)
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
 

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The roman empire is gone but in spirit Babylon and the Roman Empire and the sinful nation (the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit) ,calling itself by Gods name, are very much alive.

We are not yet in the Great Tribulation where that would be happening.

But the scriptures clearly shows that the Roman Empire will rise again. But it will be far more horrible and oppressive than when it first came on the world stage. It will be a combination of some of the past empires.

It will have the characteristics of the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire and the Greco-Macedonian Empire.

Babylonian Empire - Nebuchadnezzar

Daniel 7:4 (NASB95)
[sup]4 [/sup]"The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.



Medio-Persian Empire - Cyrus

Daniel 7:5 -And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth, and they said thus to it: 'Arise, devour much flesh.


Greco-Macedonian Empire – Alexander the Great

Daniel 7: 6 - "After this I looked and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it."






The second beast that has horns like a lamb represents the false Christ that validates the first beast, causing the world to accept the first beast.

Revelation 13:1-18 (ASV)
[sup]1 [/sup]and he stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns, and seven heads, and on his horns ten diadems, and upon his heads names of blasphemy.
[sup]2 [/sup]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority.
[sup]3 [/sup]And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast;
[sup]4 [/sup]and they worshipped the dragon, because he gave his authority unto the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? And who is able to war with him?
[sup]5 [/sup]and there was given to him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and there was given to him authority to continue forty and two months.
[sup]6 [/sup]And he opened his mouth for blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, even them that dwell in the heaven.
[sup]7 [/sup]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
[sup]8 [/sup]And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
[sup]9 [/sup]If any man hath an ear, let him hear.
[sup]10 [/sup]If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
[sup]11 [/sup]And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like unto lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[sup]12 [/sup]And he exerciseth all the authority of the first beast in his sight. And he maketh the earth and them dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose death-stroke was healed.
[sup]13 [/sup]And he doeth great signs, that he should even make fire to come down out of heaven upon the earth in the sight of men.
[sup]14 [/sup]And he deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by reason of the signs which it was given him to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast who hath the stroke of the sword and lived.
[sup]15 [/sup]And it was given unto him to give breath to it, even to the image to the breast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as should not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[sup]16 [/sup]And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead;
[sup]17 [/sup]and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, even the name of the beast or the number of his name.
[sup]18 [/sup]Here is wisdom. He that hath understanding, let him count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man: and his number is Six hundred and sixty and six.



Daniel 2:40-44 (ASV)
[sup]40 [/sup]And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron, forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things; and as iron that crusheth all these, shall it break in pieces and crush.
[sup]41 [/sup]And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, it shall be a divided kingdom; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
[sup]42 [/sup]And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
[sup]43 [/sup]And whereas thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men; but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron doth not mingle with clay.
[sup]44 [/sup]And in the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall the sovereignty thereof be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.



Daniel 7:7-14 (NKJV)
[sup]7 [/sup]After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
[sup]8 [/sup]I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
[sup]9 [/sup]"I watched till thrones were put in place, And the Ancient of Days was seated; His garment was white as snow, And the hair of His head was like pure wool. His throne was a fiery flame, Its wheels a burning fire;
[sup]10 [/sup]A fiery stream issued And came forth from before Him. A thousand thousands ministered to Him; Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him. The court was seated, And the books were opened.
[sup]11 [/sup]"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame.
[sup]12 [/sup]As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
[sup]13 [/sup]"I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
[sup]14 [/sup]Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.


All the scriptures above are describing the same kingdom/government/Empire/system. And it is during the above Empire when Jesus will return. It will be a time when the Nations are angry.
Revelation 11:18 (GW)
[sup]18 [/sup]The nations were angry, but your anger has come. The time has come for the dead to be judged: to reward your servants, the prophets, your holy people, and those who fear your name, no matter if they are important or unimportant, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
 

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We all claim to know god but we lack understanding and interpretation most times. If truly we are serving one god, we will know the truth if jesus christ is god or not and not arguing unneccessary argument.

i have come to realize that humans have different spirits in them.

Unfortunately a lot of Christians would rather read books written by men about the Bible, with their own ideas and believe that those authors somehow have more connection with God than they do. Some know more about ancient history, science and even about football than they do about the scriptures. Many rather be spoon fed than take up the Bible and do their own study on a particular subject. And some trust what they hear in Church more than what they read in the Bible. So if a scripture says one thing and the minster or the Church say something else, they are going to go by what the Church say.
 

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Unfortunately a lot of Christians would rather read books written by men about the Bible, with their own ideas and believe that those authors somehow have more connection with God than they do. Some know more about ancient history, science and even about football than they do about the scriptures. Many rather be spoon fed than take up the Bible and do their own study on a particular subject. And some trust what they hear in Church more than what they read in the Bible. So if a scripture says one thing and the minster or the Church say something else, they are going to go by what the Church say.


Preach it Bro!
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It will have the characteristics of the Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire and the Greco-Macedonian Empire.

Babylonian Empire - Nebuchadnezzar

Daniel 7:4 (NASB95)
[sup]4 [/sup]"The first was like a lion and had the wings of an eagle. I kept looking until its wings were plucked, and it was lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet like a man; a human mind also was given to it.


Medio-Persian Empire - Cyrus

Daniel 7:5 -And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth, and they said thus to it: 'Arise, devour much flesh.

Greco-Macedonian Empire – Alexander the Great

Daniel 7: 6 - "After this I looked and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it."
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It sure is interesting that so many espouse views which they cannot support. For example, what do the bear's three ribs represent? And why are the ribs between the teeth BEFORE it is told to arise and devour much flesh? And to devour much flesh, doesn't it have to drop what's occupying it's teeth?


So many false teachings, so many parrots.

BibleScribe :)
 

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It sure is interesting that so many espouse views which they cannot support. For example, what do the bear's three ribs represent? And why are the ribs between the teeth BEFORE it is told to arise and devour much flesh? And to devour much flesh, doesn't it have to drop what's occupying it's teeth?


So many false teachings, so many parrots.

BibleScribe :)

All one would need to do is study the history of those Empires and what it did when each ruled the world.....each animal is symbolic of each Empire. A bear is a very powerful animal and the three ribs are simply lives that it took. The lion is called the king of the beast and its roar can bring terror to any animal or pray.....the Babylonian Empire was an Empire under Nebuchadnezzar to be feared. The leopard is a swift animal, and so was the Greco-Macedonian Empire under Alexander the Great.

So the Beast of the great tribulation mentioned in Revelation will have all the characteristics of all those Empires.....powerful, swift, and a mouth that will strike fear in the hearts of men.
 
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