Is same sex attraction lust driven?

[amigo de christo]

That was a man who was naming the name of Christ. We deal differently with those who are believers and continue in sin with no desire to resist it, than we do with those who don't know Christ.

Don't read into that. I'm not saying to condone sin. But a man or woman who doesn't know Christ is living in sin (and we've all been there) ...whether homosexual or not. We can't convict their hearts of sin. That's the work of God. God draws hearts and convicts them of their sins.

I know that if I live my life unto Christ, and my light comes from Him ...He will give me words that aren't hate-filled, self righteous, and condemning. They need words that speak of hope in Christ. I guarantee, they already know they have sin.

Love IS the answer. Bring them to Jesus! Once they fall in love with Him, their hearts will turn and want to please Him because the natural response to His awesome love is to love Him back! And love fulfills the law. Love compels us to keep His commandments.

Do you see what I'm saying? We got it backwards when we go around condemning folks to hell. We aren't Holy Spirit. If we just listen, He will show us how to walk toward them, and what to say, and when ....we can't save anyone. Let your light shine before men so much so that it points to Christ and glorifies your Father in heaven ...and let God do what He does.

Let us always point to Christ and speak the truth in love . Either they will hear or they will seperate from you .
This one thing i do know is this , IF we speak as they do and behave as they do and talk all the dribble of the world
while we are around anyone , aka being unequally yoked we wont win souls , we ourselves will fall away .
What i mean is anytime we are around anyone , We must not yack as they do and let us not be focused on
worldly conversations . Aka lets not be talking football , lets not be talking clubs and bars , to try and appear as they do .
Rather talk JESUS , talk truth . speak as let the seeds fall . Either one will accept it or in time will harden to you .
The reason i say this is due to i see a pope francis led and rick warren etc mindset all over todays evangelizing .
It basically says , Just do lots of good , no need to preach or speak of JESUS , talk about what you have in common in the WORLD .
And that is a death sentence. You can rest assured when paul entered into jewish synagogues or gentiles
HE was not talking about what they had in common and trying to find common ground . HE was pointing to Christ
WE must too . SO long as we know this we are in a real good place and apt to be used of the LORD .

 

[TLHKAJ]

You can rest assured when paul entered into jewish synagogues or gentiles
HE was not talking about what they had in common and trying to find common ground . HE was pointing to Christ

Actually, he did. If you read this, Paul did approach people with wisdom and understanding so that he could know how to present Christ to them woth understanding, yet without compromise.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
[19]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[20]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[21]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[22]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[23]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

He didn't just jump in and start condemning folks. He presented Jesus to them ...the true gospel ...but with understanding. You can't minister the gospel to people without a willingness to put yourself in their shoes. That's pretty much what Paul is saying here.

Brother, read the Word and hear what it says. We can say a lot of religious sounding words, but make sure it's scriptural.

 

[TLHKAJ]

No @TLHKAJ I was not pointing the finger at you, I'm sorry for the things you've gone through in life and were able to escape it with God's help, That's what people who are into same sex attraction need to do reach out to God and Christ and repent, that's what I'm saying.

You were a victim of tragic things, I already told you in one post I would never act in a disrespectful manner towards you, and I would never accuse you of such things, but if we keep embracing homosexuals who do not want to change or repent then we are doing wrong, help those that seek help those that want help.

God bless you sister, I meant no accusations towards you, and haven't accused you, I know the suffering you been through and pray to God one day it's all over, and you are able to carry on in God's love and are healed forever.

I'm certainly not advocating salvation without repentance. See, this is the thing ....we don't know a man's or woman's heart whether they will repent or not. We should keep giving them the truth in love (not in self righteousness) until God says it's enough.

Let me give a few possible scenarios.

*A young adult man who was ignored by their father, never had any male role model, raised by overbearing mother and only women role models. Maybe he was also taken advantage of by a boyfriend of the mother, beaten, etc. He isn't secure in his manhood, and satan has fed him the lie that he is gay.

*A young woman who was severely abused and taken advantage of by men as far back as she can remember. She hates being weak and that she was born a woman. She decides she doesn't need a man and hates them anyway because they all are the same. She despises men so much that she would rather be with a woman than be raped and beaten down by men all the time.

Those are a couple examples I have come across and there are MANY MORE possible scenarios.

How do you approach these broken ones? With judgmentalism, self righteousness, and condemnation? No ....you do as Paul did. You hear them, and place yourself in their shoes. You minister the gospel of Christ to them with love ...absent of self righteous condemnation. You won't win them without ministering to their brokenness. It just won't happen.

 

[Mantis]

" Is same sex attraction lust driven?" - yes says the Bible. I used to think people were born that way but God says he gives them over to their lusts.

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, he did. If you read this, Paul did approach people with wisdom and understanding so that he could know how to present Christ to them woth understanding, yet without compromise.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
[19]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[20]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[21]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[22]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[23]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

He didn't just jump in and start condemning folks. He presented Jesus to them ...the true gospel ...but with understanding. You can't minister the gospel to people without a willingness to put yourself in their shoes. That's pretty much what Paul is saying here.

Brother, read the Word and hear what it says. We can say a lot of religious sounding words, but make sure it's scriptural.

Notice verse twenty one . Yet never without the law to Christ .
So you can rest assured paul was not committing the sins of said people just to win said people .
I already know this my dear sister . I think you might be misunderstanding my point . However you did bring a lovely reminder anyway .
An example , if i were to witness to gentiles and came to their house , Well i would eat whatever they put before me .
WELL cept for blood of course . And also if i saw error i would have to correct it . Just like paul did as well
and just as JESUS DID to even those who had invited him . IF we see error , we correct error .
IT dont mean ya gotta yell or scream , IT just means correct the error .
An example if i went to the house of a jew to witness , again i eat what they eat
I would also correct error as well if i saw it .
Again let me show us a bad example of what not to do .
Lets say the same group of gentiles or jews whose house i entered to eat .
Started to talk about wild woman and lust , YOU BET that would have to be corrected
OR if they started yacking about some wonderful porn site , AGAIN that would have to be corrected .
OR etc etc . WE DONT JUST SIT and talk evil with them , to try and win them . That is what i meant .
IF they started bragging on all their money , THAT TOO would have to be corrected .
NOW pual corrected , JESUS did , they all did . TO those who dont eat certain meats , WELL i eat not those meats around them .
AND so on and so forth . WE DO all things , YET we do not partake of any communication nor action that dishonors GOD .
Another example if they begin to GOSSIP WE DONT JOIN IN EITHER . WE would have to expose that as well .
REMEMBER we are there to WITNESS . To WITNESS and TO LET the LIGHT OF CHRIST and of GOD SHINE unto them .

 

[lilygrace]

God knows hearts and who will repent or not. God does not use hate to lead to repentance. it is also a case by base basis i am sure and not all black and white.
people are accountable when they are aware.
a child can be taught that a dog is a cow all their lives. when you know you know.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Notice verse twenty one . Yet never without the law to Christ .
So you can rest assured paul was not committing the sins of said people just to win said people .

I didn't say he was committing sins to win sinners. You're completely missing the point.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus knew hearts too and HE seemed to correct any error HE saw to whoever did it , no matter if it was even
the very person who had invited him .
Correction is not hate . How we display the warning , WELL if we do it to be mean , then that is on us .
BUT true lambs would correct , cause true lambs LOVE . And they desire none to perish .
Let me leave us with a good reminder from scripture .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke , correct them , and not allow sin upon them .
And ye know that if one hates his brother he is a murderer . And ye know that no murderer has eternal life .
I suggest we all return to bible reading and really learn it well . IT truly works good unto the soul of a lamb .

 

[amigo de christo]

I didn't say he was committing sins to win sinners. You're completely missing the point.

I know you didnt say that . I was simply trying to make my original point about todays evangelism .
Not about you my dear sister . But about todays evangelism . ITS bad news what the love generation
has been pouring into our churches . And when i say love i speak of their love which is sensual , NOT GODLY .

 

[TLHKAJ]

I know you didnt say that . I was simply trying to make my original point about todays evangelism .
Not about you my dear sister . But about todays evangelism . ITS bad news what the love generation
has been pouring into our churches . And when i say love i speak of their love which is sensual , NOT GODLY .

Yes, there is a huge difference in shallow "love" that is afraid of speaking the truth and God's love which speaks the truth, and yet as Paul spoke of, is willing to "become all things to all people."

This is similar to how Christ became sin .... He who knew no sin became sin. He was willing to drink the cup ...and to be touched with the feeling of our infirmities. He didn't sin ....but He didn't shy away from our human condition. He literally became sin and God laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

We aren't Jesus ...but we can follow His example. We can't win the broken to Christ without a willingness to be touched with what they've suffered. This requires love and compassion. If you know what you've been ...and what Christ has done for you, then you know none of us are any better than the sinner. If not for His grace and mercy, we'd all be headed to hell.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, there is a huge difference in shallow "love" that is afraid of speaking the truth and God's love which speaks the truth, and yet as Paul spoke of, is willing to "become all things to all people."

This is similar to how Christ became sin .... He who knew no sin became sin. He was willing to drink the cup ...and to be touched with the feeling of our infirmities. He didn't sin ....but He didn't shy away from our human condition. He literally became sin and God laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

We aren't Jesus ...but we can follow His example. We can't win the broken to Christ without a willingness to be touched with what they've suffered. This requires love and compassion. If you know what you've been ...and what Christ has done for you, then you know none of us are any better than the sinner. If not for His grace and mercy, we'd all be headed to hell.

I say simply wait upon the LORD and HE already knows what they need to hear .
Thus he will give us a mouth on how to witness . In the mean while we walk as DID HE
and not as does the world . I dont need to know the background of anyone to able to speak a word unto them .
ALL i have to KNOW is the one who created them .
God will give me the words that one needs to hear . TRUTH IS , ONLY HE CAN .
I have learned to wait upon HIM for words . In the meantime if we see error we would correct error and so on and so forth .
But i say JUST TRUST IN GOD for HE will give us a mouth .

 

[TLHKAJ]

I say simply wait upon the LORD and HE already knows what they need to hear .
Thus he will give us a mouth on how to witness . In the mean while we walk as DID HE
and not as does the world . I dont need to know the background of anyone to able to speak a word unto them .
ALL i have to KNOW is the one who created them .
God will give me the words that one needs to hear . TRUTH IS , ONLY HE CAN .
I have learned to wait upon HIM for words . In the meantime if we see error we would correct error and so on and so forth .
But i say JUST TRUST IN GOD for HE will give us a mouth .

Yes ...patience, humility, truth, love .....and more patience .....

 

[Jim B]

" Is same sex attraction lust driven?" - yes says the Bible. I used to think people were born that way but God says he gives them over to their lusts.

God gave them over to their lusts because of their idolatry.

Romans 1,21-23, "For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles."

There are many other lusts described in Romans 1,28-32: "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them." By my count, there are twenty-one sinful lusts mentioned here.

These people were hate-filled idolaters who chose to not glorify God or give Him thanks. Clearly this has nothing to do with judging today's LGBTQs and violates God's command to love our neighbors as ourselves.

 

[JohnPaul]

God gave them over to their lusts because of their idolatry.

Romans 1,21-23, "For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles."

There are many other lusts described in Romans 1,28-32: "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them." By my count, there are twenty-one sinful lusts mentioned here.

These people were hate-filled idolaters who chose to not glorify God or give Him thanks. Clearly this has nothing to do with judging today's LGBTQs and violates God's command to love our neighbors as ourselves.

It has everything to do the LGTB community and everything linked to it.

One cannot love thy neighbor if he does not love and obey God’s law and welcomes these sinners with open arms instead of correcting them and remind them so that they may repent and save themselves.

 

[Mantis]

It has everything to do the LGTB community and everything linked to it.

One cannot love thy neighbor if he does not love and obey God’s law and welcomes these sinners with open arms instead of correcting them and remind them so that they may repent and save themselves.

This

 

[Jim B]

It has everything to do the LGTB community and everything linked to it.

One cannot love thy neighbor if he does not love and obey God’s law and welcomes these sinners with open arms instead of correcting them and remind them so that they may repent and save themselves.

Read your Bible! The command (in both covenants) is to love your neighbor as yourself. There is no "if" condition! If you can't love your neighbor without judging them you are in violation of this most basic command of God!

P.S. Nobody can "save themselves". It is a gift of God, not earned by works.

 

[JohnPaul]

Read your Bible! The command (in both covenants) is to love your neighbor as yourself. There is no "if" condition! If you can't love your neighbor without judging them you are in violation of this most basic command of God!

P.S. Nobody can "save themselves". It is a gift of God, not earned by works.

There is no condition in God’s law, one must abide by God’s law and correct those that need correcting, otherwise the whole bunch is spoiled as is happening now with all this acceptance and love for the homosexual sinners who don’t care about repenting because they are corrupt and have corrupted.

 

[Triumph1300]

There is no condition in God’s law, one must abide by God’s law and correct those that need correcting, otherwise the whole bunch is spoiled as is happening now with all this acceptance and love for the homosexual sinners who don’t care about repenting because they are corrupt and have corrupted.

If we cannot or are allowed to "judge" we might as well throw the bible out the door.
It says we must judge "righteously".

 

[Jim B]

Let us always point to Christ and speak the truth in love . Either they will hear or they will seperate from you .
This one thing i do know is this , IF we speak as they do and behave as they do and talk all the dribble of the world
while we are around anyone , aka being unequally yoked we wont win souls , we ourselves will fall away .
What i mean is anytime we are around anyone , We must not yack as they do and let us not be focused on
worldly conversations . Aka lets not be talking football , lets not be talking clubs and bars , to try and appear as they do .
Rather talk JESUS , talk truth . speak as let the seeds fall . Either one will accept it or in time will harden to you .
The reason i say this is due to i see a pope francis led and rick warren etc mindset all over todays evangelizing .
It basically says , Just do lots of good , no need to preach or speak of JESUS , talk about what you have in common in the WORLD .
And that is a death sentence. You can rest assured when paul entered into jewish synagogues or gentiles
HE was not talking about what they had in common and trying to find common ground . HE was pointing to Christ
WE must too . SO long as we know this we are in a real good place and apt to be used of the LORD .

YOU, of all people, actually wrote "Let us always point to Christ and speak the truth in love??? How about giving it a try once in a while instead of your perpetual judgmental rants?

 

[Jim B]

" Is same sex attraction lust driven?" - yes says the Bible. I used to think people were born that way but God says he gives them over to their lusts.

If you're referring to Romans 1, the people discussed are those who denied the existence of God, even though it was made clear to them.