Is same sex attraction lust driven?

[Carl Emerson]

Hi there,

Looking at Romans 1, I am reading that the factor that births same sex attraction is lust.

Here is the passage...

Unbelief and Its Consequences
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

OK so this issue is at the heart of the conversion therapy laws because the law forbids prayer and ministry aimed at seeing a change in sexual 'orientation' which Romans seems to say is lust driven.

If this is correct, then the claim that it is something born with, does not hold.

But the Bill hinges on this same sex 'orientation' being immutable and therefore a no-go area for ministry, prayer and deliverance.

I believe in a healthy hetro-sexual relationship, lust is not and shouldn't be the driver.

Comments most welcome.

 

[Lambano]

As I read that passage, my takeaway is that humanity's depraved hearts and minds are God's punishment for ignoring Him and worshiping idols.

The ἀδόκιμος ("unfit") mind - "Clark, that's the gift that just keeps on giving".

 

[Ziggy]

I have an ex-brother in law that is a transgender. He didn't make it publicly known until he was in his 50's.
His wife divorced him. They have 3 adult children and he waited for the roost to be empty and his father to pass before he said anything.
But apparently his wife was told about it, and the news of divorce is what made it be known.

I was talking to him one day and he asked me if I had any questions. I said, when did you first know that something was different?
He said somewhere in his early teens. He felt uncomfortable being a boy.
I asked if he had sexual tendencies towards men, he said no. He still likes women.
I asked him if that put him in a catagory of being a lesbian. He said no.

He has had all his legal documents including birth certificate reinstated to say he was born a girl.
He dresses as a girl on most occasions. But at work he dresses as man because it's a physical job, he climbs telephone poles, and it's more practical to dress for that.

I have two theories concerning this transition.

1. When he was a small boy his mother had a miscarriage. It was a girl. She fell into a deep depression which had an effect on the family.
Her husband lost faith in God. And I don't know if somehow her son felt he wanted to be the daughter she had lost as a replacement.
or
2. His father was in the Korean war before he was born. And at this time the government was spraying and injecting the military with all kinds of gases and vaccines. Perhaps through this infusion of chemicals somehow it created an imbalance in the gene structure and passed down to the children.

Or maybe a combination of the two.

I know our own government has been experimenting with chemicals in our water and air and food systems for a long time.
Whether it be flouride in the water, aluminum in the air, or gmo's in our food. Man always has a tendency to destroy the natural order of things.
I suppose it's because if you don't believe in God, then you become your own God.

So now we have men and women who are having gender issues within themselves and they are legislating these ideas into the classrooms as early as pre-K. I would assume this is causing a lot of confusion for little minds. And they are being led into believing that being genderfluid is more acceptable than be heterosexual. Their minds are being twisted. Not because the children lust this, but because the adults leading them into this behavior are lustful for the children.
I gues what I'm saying is, if they can start a generation early enough accepting this behavior, then as it becomes the "norm" than anything other than this, like heterosexual becomes the unnatural. It is the twisting of good and evil and making evil good.
It justifies them when more people agree with their behavior. And of course majority rules nowadays.

I'm not a psychiatrist. I honestly don't know the foundation from where this comes, other than that it is a symptom of something that is happening in the mind.
Of course I can't bring in religion and certain rituals or rites that happen among the most satanic and pagan ones. Such as offering your children to Moloch and watching them burn in the fire. It takes something inhumane or perhaps so fearful of authority, to willingly participate in these activities.
And we know through the bible that in the days before Noah that men were corrupting the natural of order of all things.

It is interesting to note, that just about a week ago I came across the audiobook of Jasher on youtube.
The first chapter begins with Adam and goes through Abraham. In the Book of Jasher (I have no idea how old it is but it is mentioned in the Old Testament) that before Noah was commanded to build the Ark, people were doing what they are doing today. They were combining different animals together and making new breeds, or even creating new species through so called science.
So what we are seeing today isn't new. It may be new to us because a lot of this has been hid from the public eye for thousands of years.
But I don't believe it ever truly got "erased" or washed away out of memory.
There was paganism before and after the flood. It just keeps coming back.
I believe there are some truly evil and sick minded people in this world that use chemicals and mind control on parents and babies to make them become something different than what God created them to be.
But once the damage has been done, once a chemical imbalance has taken hold of an entire generation,
How can it be turned around except by an act of God?

I pray for my brother in law who insists on being called a she. Even though she still likes girls, hasn't had an operation but now has breasts through hormone therapy, and doesn't consider herself a lesbian.

The scary part is, that little children are going through gender operations, removing their "members" with or without a parents consent.
They will sue you and remove your child stating that you as the parent are causing your child harm and abuse, because you refuse to see your child mutilated in their hands. Drag Queens are allowed to have story hour in public libraries while they "accidently" flash their genitals to the children seated at their feet. That child pornography is being faught through legal means to teach it in public classrooms in the 2nd grade.

This is deliberate mind control and manipulation of our children's minds, committed by very deviant and evil people.
And we end up blaming the children for the way they become, while the evil ones sit back and laugh.
It's sadistic and it's real.
And the only answer I have is Pray.

The Ark is preparing,
time is short.
I pray that the predators of our children are dealt with swiftly.
I pray for the healing of those who without their knowledge or consent have been offered up on the altar of Moloch.
And that we may find a cure whether through prayer or medicine to right the course this world is on.
For the children's sake.
Pray for the Children.
In Jesus name.
Amen
Hugs

 

[JohnPaul]

Hi there,

Looking at Romans 1, I am reading that the factor that births same sex attraction is lust.

Here is the passage...

Unbelief and Its Consequences
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

OK so this issue is at the heart of the conversion therapy laws because the law forbids prayer and ministry aimed at seeing a change in sexual 'orientation' which Romans seems to say is lust driven.

If this is correct, then the claim that it is something born with, does not hold.

But the Bill hinges on this same sex 'orientation' being immutable and therefore a no-go area for ministry, prayer and deliverance.

I believe in a healthy hetro-sexual relationship, lust is not and shouldn't be the driver.

Comments most welcome.

I believe it is a mental disease, disorder and also deviant and lustful, I read back years ago you could treat it as a mental illness by seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist, nowadays you'd probably get charged with a hate crime for suggesting such a thing.

No one is born Gay, God created male and female to procreate and multiply not to have deviant same sex attraction or homosexual activities to put it nicely.

 

[JohnPaul]

I have an ex-brother in law that is a transgender. He didn't make it publicly known until he was in his 50's.
His wife divorced him. They have 3 adult children and he waited for the roost to be empty and his father to pass before he said anything.
But apparently his wife was told about it, and the news of divorce is what made it be known.

I was talking to him one day and he asked me if I had any questions. I said, when did you first know that something was different?
He said somewhere in his early teens. He felt uncomfortable being a boy.
I asked if he had sexual tendencies towards men, he said no. He still likes women.
I asked him if that put him in a catagory of being a lesbian. He said no.

He has had all his legal documents including birth certificate reinstated to say he was born a girl.
He dresses as a girl on most occasions. But at work he dresses as man because it's a physical job, he climbs telephone poles, and it's more practical to dress for that.

I have two theories concerning this transition.

1. When he was a small boy his mother had a miscarriage. It was a girl. She fell into a deep depression which had an effect on the family.
Her husband lost faith in God. And I don't know if somehow her son felt he wanted to be the daughter she had lost as a replacement.
or
2. His father was in the Korean war before he was born. And at this time the government was spraying and injecting the military with all kinds of gases and vaccines. Perhaps through this infusion of chemicals somehow it created an imbalance in the gene structure and passed down to the children.

Or maybe a combination of the two.

I know our own government has been experimenting with chemicals in our water and air and food systems for a long time.
Whether it be flouride in the water, aluminum in the air, or gmo's in our food. Man always has a tendency to destroy the natural order of things.
I suppose it's because if you don't believe in God, then you become your own God.

So now we have men and women who are having gender issues within themselves and they are legislating these ideas into the classrooms as early as pre-K. I would assume this is causing a lot of confusion for little minds. And they are being led into believing that being genderfluid is more acceptable than be heterosexual. Their minds are being twisted. Not because the children lust this, but because the adults leading them into this behavior are lustful for the children.
I gues what I'm saying is, if they can start a generation early enough accepting this behavior, then as it becomes the "norm" than anything other than this, like heterosexual becomes the unnatural. It is the twisting of good and evil and making evil good.
It justifies them when more people agree with their behavior. And of course majority rules nowadays.

I'm not a psychiatrist. I honestly don't know the foundation from where this comes, other than that it is a symptom of something that is happening in the mind.
Of course I can't bring in religion and certain rituals or rites that happen among the most satanic and pagan ones. Such as offering your children to Moloch and watching them burn in the fire. It takes something inhumane or perhaps so fearful of authority, to willingly participate in these activities.
And we know through the bible that in the days before Noah that men were corrupting the natural of order of all things.

It is interesting to note, that just about a week ago I came across the audiobook of Jasher on youtube.
The first chapter begins with Adam and goes through Abraham. In the Book of Jasher (I have no idea how old it is but it is mentioned in the Old Testament) that before Noah was commanded to build the Ark, people were doing what they are doing today. They were combining different animals together and making new breeds, or even creating new species through so called science.
So what we are seeing today isn't new. It may be new to us because a lot of this has been hid from the public eye for thousands of years.
But I don't believe it ever truly got "erased" or washed away out of memory.
There was paganism before and after the flood. It just keeps coming back.
I believe there are some truly evil and sick minded people in this world that use chemicals and mind control on parents and babies to make them become something different than what God created them to be.
But once the damage has been done, once a chemical imbalance has taken hold of an entire generation,
How can it be turned around except by an act of God?

I pray for my brother in law who insists on being called a she. Even though she still likes girls, hasn't had an operation but now has breasts through hormone therapy, and doesn't consider herself a lesbian.

The scary part is, that little children are going through gender operations, removing their "members" with or without a parents consent.
They will sue you and remove your child stating that you as the parent are causing your child harm and abuse, because you refuse to see your child mutilated in their hands. Drag Queens are allowed to have story hour in public libraries while they "accidently" flash their genitals to the children seated at their feet. That child pornography is being faught through legal means to teach it in public classrooms in the 2nd grade.

This is deliberate mind control and manipulation of our children's minds, committed by very deviant and evil people.
And we end up blaming the children for the way they become, while the evil ones sit back and laugh.
It's sadistic and it's real.
And the only answer I have is Pray.

The Ark is preparing,
time is short.
I pray that the predators of our children are dealt with swiftly.
I pray for the healing of those who without their knowledge or consent have been offered up on the altar of Moloch.
And that we may find a cure whether through prayer or medicine to right the course this world is on.
For the children's sake.
Pray for the Children.
In Jesus name.
Amen
Hugs

Yes this is the scary part getting children wrapped up in this madness of getting their sex changed, this should be against the law and the parents locked up for child abuse.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

Yes and no, to answer the OP. My experience is only concerning transgendered folk however, but i can tell you there are only 2 reasons why someone transitions; sexual reasons and mental issues like looking to start life all over.

 

[Carl Emerson]

As in the days of Noah...

 

[JohnPaul]

It’s mental illness and deviancy put together.

I remember watching an old black and white video on YouTube I think from the 50’s or 60’s about this and how it is a mental disease, disorder whatever you want to call it, but back in the day they would treat your for this illness now they want to change how God made you, certainly Satan at work.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hi there,

Looking at Romans 1, I am reading that the factor that births same sex attraction is lust.

Here is the passage...

Unbelief and Its Consequences
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

OK so this issue is at the heart of the conversion therapy laws because the law forbids prayer and ministry aimed at seeing a change in sexual 'orientation' which Romans seems to say is lust driven.

If this is correct, then the claim that it is something born with, does not hold.

But the Bill hinges on this same sex 'orientation' being immutable and therefore a no-go area for ministry, prayer and deliverance.

I believe in a healthy hetro-sexual relationship, lust is not and shouldn't be the driver.

Comments most welcome.

I guess if you get right down to it sir, sexual attraction is a degree of lust, although it is usually applied to strong sexual attraction. Sexual attraction is strong in all of creation basically, misapplication of it comes with our inherited imperfection.

 

[GEN2REV]

I believe everything that is going on in the world presently, all manner of insanity and satanic ways and values, is a product of the Abyss being opened.

I believe it has either already been fully opened, and there is a gradual steady increasing of spiritual darkness in the world, or it is being repeatedly opened, probably at CERN, and/or places like it, and it is opening more and more with each successive event.

Regardless, the world is being filled with darkness and the devil's ways, and system of values, is taking over everything. What once was considered lunacy, and the very definition of criminal, is now allowed and supported at the highest levels of legal power and control.

Nobody is born gay. It is also a spiritual dynamic that is being supported by the powers that be on every level possible; chemicals, visual and auditory mind control, public school regimens, etc. Our poor youth of today are absolutely bombarded on every level with satan's agendas. There is no question that the generation of the near future will be so far separated from what God intended for mankind that those of us who are contemplating these things today cannot likely imagine the way the world will look in just a few decades.

As far as these things repeating themselves throughout history, Ziggy, remember that the demonic realm has existed from the beginning and is very much in communication with its underground society that has existed all the way back to the beginning. Consider Ezekiel 8 and Jeremiah 8. This stuff goes way, way back.

They have always had these plans and continuously worked toward creating the devil's kingdom upon the earth. They are like ants. Every time their plans have been destroyed, the tower of Babel, the flood, etc., they immediately start rebuilding and continue until their structures of control, in every facet of power in the world, again climb high enough to reveal themselves. Here we are again and God has just about had enough.

Praise the Lord.

 

[JohnPaul]

I believe everything that is going on in the world presently, all manner of insanity and satanic ways and values, is a product of the Abyss being opened.

I believe it has either already been fully opened, and there is a gradual steady increasing of spiritual darkness in the world, or it is being repeatedly opened, probably at CERN, and/or places like it, and it is opening more and more with each successive event.

Regardless, the world is being filled with darkness and the devil's ways, and system of values, is taking over everything. What once was considered lunacy, and the very definition of criminal, is now allowed and supported at the highest levels of legal power and control.

Nobody is born gay. It is also a spiritual dynamic that is being supported by the powers that be on every level possible; chemicals, visual and auditory mind control, public school regimens, etc. Our poor youth of today are absolutely bombarded on every level with satan's agendas. There is no question that the generation of the near future will be so far separated from what God intended for mankind that those of us who are contemplating these things today cannot likely imagine the way the world will look in just a few decades.

As far as these things repeating themselves throughout history, Ziggy, remember that the demonic realm has existed from the beginning and is very much in communication with its underground society that has existed all the way back to the beginning. Consider Ezekiel 8 and Jeremiah 8. This stuff goes way, way back.

They have always had these plans and continuously worked toward creating the devil's kingdom upon the earth. They are like ants. Every time their plans have been destroyed, the tower of Babel, the flood, etc., they immediately start rebuilding and continue until their structures of control, in every facet of power in the world, again climb high enough to reveal themselves. Here we are again and God has just about had enough.

Praise the Lord.

Amen brother! This all Satan’s work and those that are in league with him.

 

[GEN2REV]

Yes this is the scary part getting children wrapped up in this madness of getting their sex changed, this should be against the law and the parents locked up for child abuse.

This is kind of out of left field, but still relevant.

Did you know that oral sex used to be illegal, and there are actual laws still on the books about it in some states in America? Especially oral sex on a man because it is phallus worship, which is what the powers that be today are all about with all the obelisk monuments all over the world, etc.

I just think it's amazing that the U.S. particularly used to be so on point with Christian beliefs and values that they had laws against certain sexual practices ... and now look at us! We have come so far from that, in just a handful of decades, you almost can't even recognize the social landscape of our country.

It is literally insane!

 

[JohnPaul]

This is kind of out of left field, but still relevant.

Did you know that oral sex used to be illegal, and there are actual laws still on the books about it in some states in America? Especially oral sex on a man because it is phallus worship, which is what the powers that be today are all about with all the obelisk monuments all over the world, etc.

I just think it's amazing that the U.S. particularly used to be so on point with Christian beliefs and values that they had laws against certain sexual practices ... and now look at us! We have come so far from that, in just a handful of decades, you almost can't even recognize the social landscape of our country.

It is literally insane!

Yes I know about those laws and also sodomy.

 

[marks]

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts, that is, their lusts were given over to impurity, and they are dragged along with their deviant lusts, dishonoring their bodies among themselves.

I think there are two root causes to same sex attraction, one of them being this, that it is a judgment God inflicts on some people who choose to forget about Him. I think the other is the corruption of the flesh, whether that be from the effect of original sin, bad genetics or other prenatal damage, or psychological changes occurring as we live. Boys without fathers and girls without mothers, and the rampant sexualization of children, whether it be in the classroom or by abuse, I think these all have a great deal to do with what is happening.

Much love!

 

[GEN2REV]

God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts, that is, their lusts were given over to impurity, and they are dragged along with their deviant lusts, dishonoring their bodies among themselves.

I think there are two root causes to same sex attraction, one of them being this, that it is a judgment God inflicts on some people who choose to forget about Him. I think the other is the corruption of the flesh, whether that be from the effect of original sin, bad genetics or other prenatal damage, or psychological changes occurring as we live. Boys without fathers and girls without mothers, and the rampant sexualization of children, whether it be in the classroom or by abuse, I think these all have a great deal to do with what is happening.

Possibly, but you can't gloss over the massive effort on the part of those who are pushing this agenda at every level. Children are bombarded in their cartoons from infancy with images and subliminal mind control that they continue to see and hear for decades after in every level of media and entertainment.

Why, or how, some choose to embrace is uncertain, but it's certainly not just a chance happening among the masses of children that some become gay and others don't. It is FORCED upon them. Those who make it out of that flood of evil influence might truly be only by the Grace of God.

 

[marks]

the massive effort on the part of those who are pushing this agenda at every level. Children are bombarded in their cartoons from infancy with images and subliminal mind control that they continue to see and hear for decades after in every level of media and entertainment.

I include that as the sexualization of children. Children losing their innocence so some can gratify themselves, so they can feel the power, so they can make the money, so they can be the movers and shakers of society. What I see in our society infuriates and horrifies me. I am surely not fully expressing how strongly I feel about this!

Much love!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Possibly, but you can't gloss over the massive effort on the part of those who are pushing this agenda at every level. Children are bombarded in their cartoons from infancy with images and subliminal mind control that they continue to see and hear for decades after in every level of media and entertainment.

Why, or how, some choose to embrace is uncertain, but it's certainly not just a chance happening among the masses of children that some become gay and others don't. It is FORCED upon them. Those who make it out of that flood of evil influence might truly be only by the Grace of God.

Regardless of exactly how, it's all because of the fall. We know that much.

I have debated as to whether to share some of my own experience or not. But I think that my testimony can help some who struggle to understand their own issues. And it can help those who don't have these struggles to at least understand some of how this can happen to a child.

As you know, I was born into an extreme form of abuse called SRA (satanic ritual abuse) and also MK Ultra (governmental trauma based mind control). As that was the case, I was traumatized in every way imaginable. And (please bear with me) ...from at least age 2 to 3, I began being trained in how to please men in various sexual ways. This was part of something called "beta/kitten programming."

I had parts of myself that were used in sexual ways by men. But there was also sexual abuse from women (although not predominantly by women). In my regular daily life, you would have seen me as a quiet, even shy person. It was extreme at times to the point that people would ask if I could talk. I was very very cautious of people. Then, at other times, I was normal, talkative, etc.

But if anyone approached me, I backed up a bit to keep my personal space. I was very guarded. On a conscious level, I didn't know why. But if someone approached me and came into my space, my body would feel ...like it was gearing up for violation, or for some sexual encounter. So I kept my space very guarded if at all possible.

Then, when I came to Christ at age 13, some things changed. I was head over heels in love with Jesus. I knew He loved me and I immersed myself in the Word (KJV), prayer, and Christian (southern gospel) music. Hatred was replaced with love. Many of my struggles just faded away or disappeared instantly. And yet, when I was in a church, I experienced very invasive flashbacks of traumas that happened in rituals (inside "christian" churches), including rapes.

There was one woman I came to trust. She prayed with me a lot. And I spent a lot of time in her home. I allowed my walls to come down a good bit. But there were times that (as a 14 yr old) when she would approach me, my body would automatically gear up and respond sexually ...and it horrified me! I knew that wasn't my desire, so why was my body betraying me?! I was grounded enough in the Lord, that I held onto Him and trusted He would take care of it.

Years later, when I began walking through healing of my past trauma, the Lord taught my heart why I struggled in that way. There is something called "body memories." And some have termed it, "the body remembers." Memory is stored in all the body, not just the brain. My mind and body were trained to interpret physical closeness in a sexual way. As a way to cope with extreme physical and sexual trauma, a child will adapt. A mental process happens ... "I can't stop this, so I will have to survive it." Her mind may even create a separate part who goes along with what is happening, or parts who "enjoy" it (pleasure+pain) ...because that is survival.

So I understood that my body responded sexually... not because it was "how I was" ....but because my body was trained to expect sexual abuse/experiences anytime my personal space was invaded. With a revelation of truth and understanding comes opportunity to heal and overcome.

That was long-winded, and idk if it helps or not. But that is my experience and others who have experienced even just "regular" abuse may be able to relate in ways. That is my hopes.

 

[The Disciple John]

I have an ex-brother in law that is a transgender. He didn't make it publicly known until he was in his 50's.
His wife divorced him. They have 3 adult children and he waited for the roost to be empty and his father to pass before he said anything.
But apparently his wife was told about it, and the news of divorce is what made it be known.

I was talking to him one day and he asked me if I had any questions. I said, when did you first know that something was different?
He said somewhere in his early teens. He felt uncomfortable being a boy.
I asked if he had sexual tendencies towards men, he said no. He still likes women.
I asked him if that put him in a catagory of being a lesbian. He said no.

He has had all his legal documents including birth certificate reinstated to say he was born a girl.
He dresses as a girl on most occasions. But at work he dresses as man because it's a physical job, he climbs telephone poles, and it's more practical to dress for that.

I have two theories concerning this transition.

1. When he was a small boy his mother had a miscarriage. It was a girl. She fell into a deep depression which had an effect on the family.
Her husband lost faith in God. And I don't know if somehow her son felt he wanted to be the daughter she had lost as a replacement.
or
2. His father was in the Korean war before he was born. And at this time the government was spraying and injecting the military with all kinds of gases and vaccines. Perhaps through this infusion of chemicals somehow it created an imbalance in the gene structure and passed down to the children.

Or maybe a combination of the two.

I know our own government has been experimenting with chemicals in our water and air and food systems for a long time.
Whether it be flouride in the water, aluminum in the air, or gmo's in our food. Man always has a tendency to destroy the natural order of things.
I suppose it's because if you don't believe in God, then you become your own God.

So now we have men and women who are having gender issues within themselves and they are legislating these ideas into the classrooms as early as pre-K. I would assume this is causing a lot of confusion for little minds. And they are being led into believing that being genderfluid is more acceptable than be heterosexual. Their minds are being twisted. Not because the children lust this, but because the adults leading them into this behavior are lustful for the children.
I gues what I'm saying is, if they can start a generation early enough accepting this behavior, then as it becomes the "norm" than anything other than this, like heterosexual becomes the unnatural. It is the twisting of good and evil and making evil good.
It justifies them when more people agree with their behavior. And of course majority rules nowadays.

I'm not a psychiatrist. I honestly don't know the foundation from where this comes, other than that it is a symptom of something that is happening in the mind.
Of course I can't bring in religion and certain rituals or rites that happen among the most satanic and pagan ones. Such as offering your children to Moloch and watching them burn in the fire. It takes something inhumane or perhaps so fearful of authority, to willingly participate in these activities.
And we know through the bible that in the days before Noah that men were corrupting the natural of order of all things.

It is interesting to note, that just about a week ago I came across the audiobook of Jasher on youtube.
The first chapter begins with Adam and goes through Abraham. In the Book of Jasher (I have no idea how old it is but it is mentioned in the Old Testament) that before Noah was commanded to build the Ark, people were doing what they are doing today. They were combining different animals together and making new breeds, or even creating new species through so called science.
So what we are seeing today isn't new. It may be new to us because a lot of this has been hid from the public eye for thousands of years.
But I don't believe it ever truly got "erased" or washed away out of memory.
There was paganism before and after the flood. It just keeps coming back.
I believe there are some truly evil and sick minded people in this world that use chemicals and mind control on parents and babies to make them become something different than what God created them to be.
But once the damage has been done, once a chemical imbalance has taken hold of an entire generation,
How can it be turned around except by an act of God?

I pray for my brother in law who insists on being called a she. Even though she still likes girls, hasn't had an operation but now has breasts through hormone therapy, and doesn't consider herself a lesbian.

The scary part is, that little children are going through gender operations, removing their "members" with or without a parents consent.
They will sue you and remove your child stating that you as the parent are causing your child harm and abuse, because you refuse to see your child mutilated in their hands. Drag Queens are allowed to have story hour in public libraries while they "accidently" flash their genitals to the children seated at their feet. That child pornography is being faught through legal means to teach it in public classrooms in the 2nd grade.

This is deliberate mind control and manipulation of our children's minds, committed by very deviant and evil people.
And we end up blaming the children for the way they become, while the evil ones sit back and laugh.
It's sadistic and it's real.
And the only answer I have is Pray.

The Ark is preparing,
time is short.
I pray that the predators of our children are dealt with swiftly.
I pray for the healing of those who without their knowledge or consent have been offered up on the altar of Moloch.
And that we may find a cure whether through prayer or medicine to right the course this world is on.
For the children's sake.
Pray for the Children.
In Jesus name.
Amen
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Most of what you said here, I agree with.
Chemicals, psychological issues while growing up, lack of proper Biblical education and practice, adulteration of the word, toleration of and promotion of immoral practices... All these and more, make it easier for Satan to do what he did in Judas' case. Luke 22:3
The only cure for sick mankind, is God's kingdom.
Meanwhile, reaching as many people as possible with the kingdom message, helps save some.

 

[The Disciple John]

I believe it is a mental disease, disorder and also deviant and lustful, I read back years ago you could treat it as a mental illness by seeing a psychiatrist or psychologist, nowadays you'd probably get charged with a hate crime for suggesting such a thing.

No one is born Gay, God created male and female to procreate and multiply not to have deviant same sex attraction or homosexual activities to put it nicely.

I wonder if they will soon say children are born to smoke.
Like every bad habit, the right education, or message helps, but these are being shoved aside for "freedom".
One just has to google "child smoking". It's shocking!

...but all these are 19th century common practices.
The 19th century has outdone all centuries combined in vice... as it was prophesied. Matthew 24; 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Verse 5 really nails it.

 

[JohnPaul]

I wonder if they will soon say children are born to smoke.
Like every bad habit, the right education, or message helps, but these are being shoved aside for "freedom".
One just has to google "child smoking". It's shocking!

...but all these are 19th century common practices.
The 19th century has outdone all centuries combined in vice... as it was prophesied. Matthew 24; 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Verse 5 really nails it.

No one is born into these things we do it to ourselves God creates us as man and woman, nothing more nothing less, whatever vices we take up is our own doing, not God’s, God gave us free will so we are responsible for our own actions.