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[Jim B]

Notice verse twenty one . Yet never without the law to Christ .
So you can rest assured paul was not committing the sins of said people just to win said people .
I already know this my dear sister . I think you might be misunderstanding my point . However you did bring a lovely reminder anyway .
An example , if i were to witness to gentiles and came to their house , Well i would eat whatever they put before me .
WELL cept for blood of course . And also if i saw error i would have to correct it . Just like paul did as well
and just as JESUS DID to even those who had invited him . IF we see error , we correct error .
IT dont mean ya gotta yell or scream , IT just means correct the error .
An example if i went to the house of a jew to witness , again i eat what they eat
I would also correct error as well if i saw it .
Again let me show us a bad example of what not to do .
Lets say the same group of gentiles or jews whose house i entered to eat .
Started to talk about wild woman and lust , YOU BET that would have to be corrected
OR if they started yacking about some wonderful porn site , AGAIN that would have to be corrected .
OR etc etc . WE DONT JUST SIT and talk evil with them , to try and win them . That is what i meant .
IF they started bragging on all their money , THAT TOO would have to be corrected .
NOW pual corrected , JESUS did , they all did . TO those who dont eat certain meats , WELL i eat not those meats around them .
AND so on and so forth . WE DO all things , YET we do not partake of any communication nor action that dishonors GOD .
Another example if they begin to GOSSIP WE DONT JOIN IN EITHER . WE would have to expose that as well .
REMEMBER we are there to WITNESS . To WITNESS and TO LET the LIGHT OF CHRIST and of GOD SHINE unto them .

Without a doubt, you would be thrown out of their house! Nobody would pay attention to your arrogant rudeness!

 

[amigo de christo]

Without a doubt, you would be thrown out of their house! Nobody would pay attention to your arrogant rudeness!

THEY THREW PAUL OUT , they ran him out of town for HIS MESSAGE .
And it sure as heck wasnt the social gospel lie .
Paul wasnt going around trying to get jews and gentiles to unite and other religoins to unite
under a lie WE SERVE THE SAME GOD jimmy .
Paul didnt go into jewish synagogues and say , HEY WE NEED TO JUST FIND COMMON GROUND
and set aside our differences . GOD is love and all we need to do is love one another
HE PREACHED CHRIST JESUS as the ONLY and absolutely ONLY WAY TO GOD .
SURE they wrote to the churches and reminded them WE should love one another .
HE also warned out against SIN JIM . AGAINST SIN and ERROR within the church JIM .
SOmething the social gospel , and heck MOST ALL wont do anymore .
THEY RAN HIM OUT , stoned him too . beat him down like a dog . whipped five times
beaten with rods three times and on and on it went .
BUT TO JESUS CHRIST ALONE HE POINTED , HE CORRECTED SIN and error within ALL THEM CHURCHES jim .
SO MY advice is , LEARN YA BIBLE . AND if folks cast me out of their houses and out of town
THEN SO BE IT . AT LEAST I LOVED THEM and POINTED TO CHRIST and all HIS reminders .
YOU and your beloved social gospel DONT DO THAT .
TODAYS mantra is OVERLOOK SIN and ERROR in the church . DONT DARE EVEN SPEAK OF SIN IF YOU SEE IT .
THIS DID NOT JESUS DO nor the apostels . THE SOCIAL GOSPEL CAME FROM satan himself .
TIME WE GET IN BIBLES and LEARN THE VERY JESUS WE THINK WE KNOW and ensure IT IS JESUS we follow and not men .

 

[amigo de christo]

Without a doubt, you would be thrown out of their house! Nobody would pay attention to your arrogant rudeness!

My friend if you think i am arroagant and rude for my warnings .
YOU WOULD HAVE HATED PAUL , CHRIST , and the apostels .
IF YOU even THINK that i am hateful . YOU WOULD HAVE CALLED THEM MONSTERS .
And if you dont believe me . TRY READING THE BIBLE JIM and SEE what they did
SEE how they also responsed to any and all who rejected CHRIST , who refused to beleive on HIM .
YOU LOOK and see what PAUL , PETER and others TOLD EVEN THE JEWS who refused to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
THEN GO and do yourself an even bigger favor . GO SEE WHAT JESUS HAD TO SAY
to those who rejected HIM . YOU DO THAT and you will soon see , ITS NOT ME WHO IS THE ENEMY OF GOD
and of humanity . ITS THE SOCIAL GOSPEL LIE FROM HELL that is .

 

[Jim B]

Jesus knew hearts too and HE seemed to correct any error HE saw to whoever did it , no matter if it was even
the very person who had invited him .
Correction is not hate . How we display the warning , WELL if we do it to be mean , then that is on us .
BUT true lambs would correct , cause true lambs LOVE . And they desire none to perish .
Let me leave us with a good reminder from scripture .
YE shall not hate your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke , correct them , and not allow sin upon them .
And ye know that if one hates his brother he is a murderer . And ye know that no murderer has eternal life .
I suggest we all return to bible reading and really learn it well . IT truly works good unto the soul of a lamb .

You write "ye know that if one hates his brother he is a murderer", YET YOU CLEARLY HATE MANY PEOPLE!

I know this is hard for you to accept but ... you are not perfect like Jesus Christ!

And again, you are distorting Scripture to bolster your unceasing judgement of others. Leviticus 19:17, “You shall not hate in your heart anyone of your kin; you shall reprove your neighbor, or you will incur guilt yourself. You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against any of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the Lord."

Unlike yourself, when Jesus quoted this verse, "One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?” Jesus answered [in context], “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:28-31

Now, why do you think that Jesus omitted the words that you include, and you leave out the words that He included? => Because Jesus knows what is important and you do not!!! <=

I suggest you return to bible reading and really learn it well!

 

[Jim B]

I know you didnt say that . I was simply trying to make my original point about todays evangelism .
Not about you my dear sister . But about todays evangelism . ITS bad news what the love generation
has been pouring into our churches . And when i say love i speak of their love which is sensual , NOT GODLY .

LOL!!! This is nonsense!

 

[Jim B]

I say simply wait upon the LORD and HE already knows what they need to hear .
Thus he will give us a mouth on how to witness . In the mean while we walk as DID HE
and not as does the world . I dont need to know the background of anyone to able to speak a word unto them .
ALL i have to KNOW is the one who created them .
God will give me the words that one needs to hear . TRUTH IS , ONLY HE CAN .
I have learned to wait upon HIM for words . In the meantime if we see error we would correct error and so on and so forth .
But i say JUST TRUST IN GOD for HE will give us a mouth .

You are delusional! Read my post #144.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are delusional! Read my post #144.

OH i read it , the problem is you have learned it through the lens of the social all inclusive LIE .
Thus to you ITS HATE IF ANYONE CORRECTS ANYONE WITHIN THE CHURCH FOR ANY SIN .
About the ONLY THING YOU SEE as HATE , as SIN , ARE THOSE WHO DO That which is right within the church .
Now go and learn what that means . BUT TO DO SO
you gonna have to pray and get back in the BIBLE , you know that BOOK and read it just for you .
SPEND TIME , SPEND HOURS IN IT learning , be praying . WATCH WHAT HAPPENS .
YOU accuse me of being wrong and hateful . I tell you , that you are wrong and in error .
IF YA WANNA TRULY KNOW which one is in error . MY ADVICE , GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and read daily
and often the NEW TEST FOR YOUSELF . THEN after such a time
COME BACK AND LETS TALK and DISCUSS . DO THAT . SEE What would happen .

 

[Jim B]

THEY THREW PAUL OUT , they ran him out of town for HIS MESSAGE .
And it sure as heck wasnt the social gospel lie .
Paul wasnt going around trying to get jews and gentiles to unite and other religoins to unite
under a lie WE SERVE THE SAME GOD jimmy .
Paul didnt go into jewish synagogues and say , HEY WE NEED TO JUST FIND COMMON GROUND
and set aside our differences . GOD is love and all we need to do is love one another
HE PREACHED CHRIST JESUS as the ONLY and absolutely ONLY WAY TO GOD .
SURE they wrote to the churches and reminded them WE should love one another .
HE also warned out against SIN JIM . AGAINST SIN and ERROR within the church JIM .
SOmething the social gospel , and heck MOST ALL wont do anymore .
THEY RAN HIM OUT , stoned him too . beat him down like a dog . whipped five times
beaten with rods three times and on and on it went .
BUT TO JESUS CHRIST ALONE HE POINTED , HE CORRECTED SIN and error within ALL THEM CHURCHES jim .
SO MY advice is , LEARN YA BIBLE . AND if folks cast me out of their houses and out of town
THEN SO BE IT . AT LEAST I LOVED THEM and POINTED TO CHRIST and all HIS reminders .
YOU and your beloved social gospel DONT DO THAT .
TODAYS mantra is OVERLOOK SIN and ERROR in the church . DONT DARE EVEN SPEAK OF SIN IF YOU SEE IT .
THIS DID NOT JESUS DO nor the apostels . THE SOCIAL GOSPEL CAME FROM satan himself .
TIME WE GET IN BIBLES and LEARN THE VERY JESUS WE THINK WE KNOW and ensure IT IS JESUS we follow and not men .

Paul's message and your message are diametrically opposite! You are clearly delusional comparing yourself to the great apostle who spoke the truth in love.

Unlike yourself, I know what the Bible says.

And again, you use the catch phrase "social gospel" without defining what it is. You are filled with criticism of everyone who doesn't buy into your judgmental rants, but (again) here is what God does...

John 3:16-17, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."

Your hate-filled rants are in direct opposition to this clearly-stated message of God's love.

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul's message and your message are diametrically opposite! You are clearly delusional comparing yourself to the great apostle who spoke the truth in love.

Unlike yourself, I know what the Bible says.

And again, you use the catch phrase "social gospel" without defining what it is. You are filled with criticism of everyone who doesn't buy into your judgmental rants, but (again) here is what God does...

John 3:16-17, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him."

Your hate-filled rants are in direct opposition to this clearly-stated message of God's love.

once again false accusations . I never compared myself to paul. I said GET IN THE BIBLE and TRY LEARNING
ALL THINGS HE Did teach .
I DONT compare myself to CHRIST . I tell you GET IN THE BIBLE and read for yourself
ALL THINGS HE DID DO and TEACH
BUT you wont do that . Rather you come with cards and try to accuse .
JIM , stop the madness . GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and learn , read , love and embrace ALL THINGS JESUS said
and the apostels wrote . ITS futile and useless to war and debate .
YOU TRULY BELIEVE in your heart that i am in error
I truly know you are .
NOW LETS GO INTO THE BIBLE and SEE TRUTH FOR OURSELVES . DO THAT JIM . DO IT . DO it daily
DO IT OFTEN . learn . learn well . THEN COME and lets reason together .

 

[Jim B]

OH i read it , the problem is you have learned it through the lens of the social all inclusive LIE .
Thus to you ITS HATE IF ANYONE CORRECTS ANYONE WITHIN THE CHURCH FOR ANY SIN .
About the ONLY THING YOU SEE as HATE , as SIN , ARE THOSE WHO DO That which is right within the church .
Now go and learn what that means . BUT TO DO SO
you gonna have to pray and get back in the BIBLE , you know that BOOK and read it just for you .
SPEND TIME , SPEND HOURS IN IT learning , be praying . WATCH WHAT HAPPENS .
YOU accuse me of being wrong and hateful . I tell you , that you are wrong and in error .
IF YA WANNA TRULY KNOW which one is in error . MY ADVICE , GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and read daily
and often the NEW TEST FOR YOUSELF . THEN after such a time
COME BACK AND LETS TALK and DISCUSS . DO THAT . SEE What would happen .

"OH i read it , the problem is you have learned it through the lens of the social all inclusive LIE"

LOL!!! You have no idea what you're talking about!

You have learned your hateful, self-righteous, self-glorifying doctrine through the lens of delusion.

Your statement that " ITS HATE IF ANYONE CORRECTS ANYONE WITHIN THE CHURCH FOR ANY SIN" just shows that you are focused on hatred, whereas God clearly focuses on LOVE!

I would get a good laugh when you write garbage such as "About the ONLY THING YOU SEE as HATE , as SIN , ARE THOSE WHO DO That which is right within the church" if it wasn't so misguided and tragic.

YOU ARE CLEARLY AND TRAGICALLY DELUDED!!!

You are going to have to pray and get back in the BIBLE and read it and try to understand the message of Jesus Christ. SPEND TIME IN IT learning, and be praying. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LEARN THE TRUTH THAT IS IN JESUS CHRIST! (if that is possible). (But I have my doubts, since your chronic hatred has blinded you to the truth!)

 

[Ritajanice]

My friend if you think i am arroagant and rude for my warnings .
YOU WOULD HAVE HATED PAUL , CHRIST , and the apostels .
IF YOU even THINK that i am hateful . YOU WOULD HAVE CALLED THEM MONSTERS .
And if you dont believe me . TRY READING THE BIBLE JIM and SEE what they did
SEE how they also responsed to any and all who rejected CHRIST , who refused to beleive on HIM .
YOU LOOK and see what PAUL , PETER and others TOLD EVEN THE JEWS who refused to BELIEVE ON CHRIST .
THEN GO and do yourself an even bigger favor . GO SEE WHAT JESUS HAD TO SAY
to those who rejected HIM . YOU DO THAT and you will soon see , ITS NOT ME WHO IS THE ENEMY OF GOD
and of humanity . ITS THE SOCIAL GOSPEL LIE FROM HELL that is .

Another thing @amigo de christo ....the connotations in your posts addressed to me and others...you have also been spoken to about by admin....you accuse some of the brethren as not being Born Again...me included......

Thankfully I stand on the word of God and NOT yours.

 

[amigo de christo]

"OH i read it , the problem is you have learned it through the lens of the social all inclusive LIE"

LOL!!! You have no idea what you're talking about!

You have learned your hateful, self-righteous, self-glorifying doctrine through the lens of delusion.

Your statement that " ITS HATE IF ANYONE CORRECTS ANYONE WITHIN THE CHURCH FOR ANY SIN" just shows that you are focused on hatred, whereas God clearly focuses on LOVE!

I would get a good laugh when you write garbage such as "About the ONLY THING YOU SEE as HATE , as SIN , ARE THOSE WHO DO That which is right within the church" if it wasn't so misguided and tragic.

LOVE CORRECTS JIM . SO LEARN THAT . that is what i been trying to tell ya .
DO you have children jim or a wife . Wait you do have a wife .
OKAY lets give out a scenario and YOU TRY TELLING ME WHAT LOVE IS .
IF , if i saw you wife walking blindly towards a cliff , but told myself
HEY , DO not correct her , just let her be , she will figure it out herself .
And then say another one tried to step up and holler at her that she was headed the wrong way
BUT I JUMPED UP and said HEY HATER , HEY JUDGER , DONT YOU DARE Correct her error .
And then she continues with a blind fold on her eyes right toward the cliff
THEN another jumps up and says to me , HEY DUDE where is your love
WHY are you just letting her head in that direction . BUT I STOP HIM
and SAY HEY HATER , STOP JUDGING HER and STOP JUDGING ME
And then she falls RIGHT OFF THAT CLIFF .
TELL ME JIM DID I LOVE HER and TELL ME JIM , ARE YOU GONNA HUG ME AND TELL ME
GOOD JOB FOR CHEERING HER ON and ENCOURAGING HER AND NOT WARNING HER .
WELL SIN IS DEATH JIM . ANY OTHER RELIGOIN and PATH IS DEATH JIM
SO I AM GONNA Warn against it . I AM GONNA CORRECT THOSE IN ERROR
AND YOU NEED TO learn this fast .
IF WE LOVE , IF WE TRULY LOVE BY GOLLY WE SPEAK TRUTH , WE CORRECT SIN within the CHURCH
WE CORRECT other relioins who are false and tell them JESUS ALONE is the ONLY WAY .
TIME TO LEARN THY BIBLE JIM . TIME TO LEARN THE TRUE JESUS .

 

[Ritajanice]

TIME TO LEARN THY BIBLE JIM . TIME TO LEARN THE TRUE JESUS .

Here you go again...you sound like you’re insinuating he’s not a Brother/ Born Again ...please STOP!

 

[amigo de christo]

Another thing @amigo de christo ....the connotations in your posts addressed to me and others...you have also been spoken to about by admin....you accuse some of the brethren as not being Born Again...me included......

Thankfully I stand on the word of God and NOT yours.

another thing , i never acussed you of any of that . I SAID many are not born again . NEVER SAID YOUR NAME .
SO LET ADMIN COME . THEY GONNA READ and see I NEVER SAID YOU
i said MANY are , YEAH i said that . Now be encouraged . and try and rest thy mind .
IF i had said YOU , I WOULD HAVE SAID YOUR NAME , YOU .
I would have said it like this . YOU ARE NOT BORN AGAIN but rather BORN AGAINST .
BUT GO and read again my posts . I SAID MANY , never said whether you were or werent .

 

[amigo de christo]

Here you go again...you sound like you’re insinuating he’s not a Brother...please STOP!

You mean like when he said I AM DELUSIONAL . yeah . sorry but you really need to read the posts .
ALL the posts . Jim himself has called me satan . YET I never reported him . I think someone else did .
And heck yeah i am gonna tell everyone TIME TO LEARN JESUS . YOU can tell me the same thing .
GLORY HALLELUJAH . I WISH TO GOD ALL FOLKS WOULD TELL ME , GET IN YOUR BIBLE , BE READING IT AMIGO
DAILY and for hours . HECK i would faint for JOY if they did .

 

[Jim B]

once again false accusations . I never compared myself to paul. I said GET IN THE BIBLE and TRY LEARNING
ALL THINGS HE Did teach .
I DONT compare myself to CHRIST . I tell you GET IN THE BIBLE and read for yourself
ALL THINGS HE DID DO and TEACH
BUT you wont do that . Rather you come with cards and try to accuse .
JIM , stop the madness . GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and learn , read , love and embrace ALL THINGS JESUS said
and the apostels wrote . ITS futile and useless to war and debate .
YOU TRULY BELIEVE in your heart that i am in error
I truly know you are .
NOW LETS GO INTO THE BIBLE and SEE TRUTH FOR OURSELVES . DO THAT JIM . DO IT . DO it daily
DO IT OFTEN . learn . learn well . THEN COME and lets reason together .

STOP THE DECEPTION! I wrote that "Without a doubt, you would be thrown out of their house! Nobody would pay attention to your arrogant rudeness!" and you responded with "THEY THREW PAUL OUT , they ran him out of town for HIS MESSAGE" clearly comparing yourself to Paul! Again, stop the deception!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and learn, read, love and embrace ALL THINGS JESUS said. Primarily where He said (quoting the Old Testament), "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF". You must hate yourself, because hatred is all that you write about.

You truly believe in your heart that I am in error, but I truly know that you are. GOD IS LOVE!!! Let me know when you finally (if ever) understand that basic Biblical truth!

P.S. You are impossible to reason with. Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

 

[Jim B]

LOVE CORRECTS JIM . SO LEARN THAT . that is what i been trying to tell ya .
DO you have children jim or a wife . Wait you do have a wife .
OKAY lets give out a scenario and YOU TRY TELLING ME WHAT LOVE IS .
IF , if i saw you wife walking blindly towards a cliff , but told myself
HEY , DO not correct her , just let her be , she will figure it out herself .
And then say another one tried to step up and holler at her that she was headed the wrong way
BUT I JUMPED UP and said HEY HATER , HEY JUDGER , DONT YOU DARE Correct her error .
And then she continues with a blind fold on her eyes right toward the cliff
THEN another jumps up and says to me , HEY DUDE where is your love
WHY are you just letting her head in that direction . BUT I STOP HIM
and SAY HEY HATER , STOP JUDGING HER and STOP JUDGING ME
And then she falls RIGHT OFF THAT CLIFF .
TELL ME JIM DID I LOVE HER and TELL ME JIM , ARE YOU GONNA HUG ME AND TELL ME
GOOD JOB FOR CHEERING HER ON and ENCOURAGING HER AND NOT WARNING HER .
WELL SIN IS DEATH JIM . ANY OTHER RELIGOIN and PATH IS DEATH JIM
SO I AM GONNA Warn against it . I AM GONNA CORRECT THOSE IN ERROR
AND YOU NEED TO learn this fast .
IF WE LOVE , IF WE TRULY LOVE BY GOLLY WE SPEAK TRUTH , WE CORRECT SIN within the CHURCH
WE CORRECT other relioins who are false and tell them JESUS ALONE is the ONLY WAY .
TIME TO LEARN THY BIBLE JIM . TIME TO LEARN THE TRUE JESUS .

LOL!!! THIS IS SO ABSURD THAT IT ISN'T WORTH DISCUSSING!

 

[amigo de christo]

STOP THE DECEPTION! I wrote that "Without a doubt, you would be thrown out of their house! Nobody would pay attention to your arrogant rudeness!" and you responded with "THEY THREW PAUL OUT , they ran him out of town for HIS MESSAGE" clearly comparing yourself to Paul! Again, stop the deception!

YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEED TO GO BACK TO THE BIBLE and learn, read, love and embrace ALL THINGS JESUS said. Primarily where He said (quoting the Old Testament), "LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF". You must hate yourself, because hatred is all that you write about.

You truly believe in your heart that I am in error, but I truly know that you are. GOD IS LOVE!!! Let me know when you finally (if ever) understand that basic Biblical truth!

P.S. You are impossible to reason with. Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

But who is the blind one jim . Let us get in our bibles and read the new test for ourselves .
Let us put some hours in daily and read JUST IT . Then in one month
let us return and discuss . Read it for a few hours daily jim . SEE what happenes . I WILL DO the same .

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL!!! THIS IS SO ABSURD THAT IT ISN'T WORTH DISCUSSING!

Of course its not worth dicussing . Anyway , lets get in our bibles for a few hours
daily , read and let us be praying . lets do this for a month
then come back and let us discuss things .

 

[Jim B]

You mean like when he said I AM DELUSIONAL . yeah . sorry but you really need to read the posts .
ALL the posts . Jim himself has called me satan . YET I never reported him . I think someone else did .
And heck yeah i am gonna tell everyone TIME TO LEARN JESUS . YOU can tell me the same thing .
GLORY HALLELUJAH . I WISH TO GOD ALL FOLKS WOULD TELL ME , GET IN YOUR BIBLE , BE READING IT AMIGO
DAILY and for hours . HECK i would faint for JOY if they did .

TIME TO LEARN JESUS!!!