Let's look at what Veteran said in his post #11 just a bit closer just for the sake of doing so.
He said"
“There is only 2 sides of debate of whether or not Jesus Christ is God.
1. Those who have been called to believe on Christ Jesus as Immanuel God with us come in the flesh to be the Perfect Sacrifice for sin, and offer all who would believe on Him everlasting Life.
or...
2. Those who refuse to recognize Christ Jesus as God The Saviour because they want to be their own god. These are antichrists, because they refuse to believe that God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ.”
I have already pointed out that this opinion is derived in part from what Jesus said at John 12:48 "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
But let's look closer at what John 12:48 is really saying and examine the comments Veteran made in his post #11.
Just after Jesus said what he said at John 12:48 he went on to say, 49-50 "
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And
I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever
I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak."
There we have this person who everyone is saying is God talking of his Father in the second person and not as though they are the same person. Jesus there admits that the words he speaks he is quoting of his Father and that he has not spoken of his own self from his own mind or opinion. Further, Jesus calls his Father his God at Mark 15:34; John 20:17; and Revelation 3:12.
To get the context there in John 12 notice John 12:26 "If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be:
if any man serve me, him will my Father honour." Compare it to John 12:42-43 "Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of
the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God."
Jesus point was in contrast to that he himself did love and live for the praise of God instead of the praise of men. John 7:18 "He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him." John 8:50 "And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth." John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do."
And of course true to the principle 1 Peter 5:6 "Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:", Jesus having lived for the glory and honor of his Father's name would himself be glorified by God. Thus we read: John 13:31-32 "Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him."
And Veteran knows or should know that the Immanuel of Isaiah's day was a sign to lift the spirits of the people by assuring them God was with them and had not forsaken them. And that is also how Jesus was Immanuel. He was a sign to the people. Isaiah 11:10 "
And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."
Yes, Jesus was as an ensign or an Immanuel of special meaning and encouragement to the people just like the Immanuel of Isaiah's day and time was. Isaiah 8:10 "Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and
it shall not stand: for God is with us."
Hi Vengle...
I view things slightly differently. I see the trinity as the result of indoctrination over many generations. People cling to it because their fathers and their forefathers believed what iniquity told them. The problem arises because clear thinking is the process whereby we free ourselves from many health problems and this is highlighted by Jesus' teaching that he is the way, the truth, and the life. He tells us that our righteous spirit is the tool that ultimately provides Jesus's promises which include a clear, alert, active mind residing in a strong, healthy body for all eternity. The trinity is just one of many obstacles that iniquity has planted as weeds along the harvest field. Individually upbuilding a strong, righteous spirit by implementing Jesus's accurate teaching...as written in the Holy Bible and understood by accepting by faith and honest interpretation...what is actually written.
I absolutely agree with that.
The shear popularity of the teaching is an obstacle of similar fashion.
Why? It is answered by Jesus in John chapter 12.