Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[praise_yeshua]

Well, now that you know . . .

I knew because I've read his posts for a while. You were digging yourself a hole, and he let you dig. Now it's up to you what you will do.

Much love!

I haven't dug any hole. He has a problem with communicating. Not my issue. He can correct his statement.

 

[DuckieLady]

Props to the men defending the women

Just throwing that out there

Thanks!

PS some the rest of you need to read about Deborah, or Dorcas, or some of the others

You seem to not understand much about women in both the Bible and just real life in general

 

[amigo de christo]

Another hint , IF ya going woke ya going broke as in spiritual bankruptcy my friends .
My advice is , DONT HEED their social all inclusive equity and equality gospel for the green machine of mother nature .
Its all a farce . And a deadly one too .

 

[reformed1689]

You misunderstand.

These things were spoken to the church and to those who were to hear His voice. Obviously, many have not heard.

Those to whom these things were spoken, was to the Bride--of whom all before Christ are as women. Therefore, it is the church that is to submit to their Husband (Christ); the church that has no authority over the Bridegroom; and the church that is to be silent, that only the Holy Spirit sent by Jesus can be heard above the chatter.

This completely ignores the context. You are wrong sir.

 

[marks]

I haven't dug any hole. He has a problem with communicating. Not my issue. He can correct his statement.

He didn't make a statement. You acted as though he did.

OK, I'm not going to drag this out further. It's up to you what you do.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

What about a prophetess? Is she included in your ban?

There are no prophets today in the sense that we saw the OT prophets. The gift of prophesy is the gift of preaching. I have no doubt some women can preach. AND if they only preach to women and children and have no authority over men, I'm perfectly ok with that as the Scriptures allow for that. Anything else is unbiblical.

 

[reformed1689]

And is this a command for all?

Much love!

Yes, it is a general command because of the appeal to the roles of men and women in Adam and Eve. Thanks for asking.

 

[reformed1689]

Who have you been given authority over? What part of the Bible gives you the right to give others orders that must be followed?

The wife is commanded to submit. Where is the husband granted authority?

Isn't this just, God tells the woman to submit to the husband, as the husband licks his chops? That's how your posts strike me.

Much love!

You are reading that into my posts. As I have said, this is a thread in direct response to another member, @Pearl suggesting that women should no longer be under the authority of men. So if you want to interact with the topic great, if you just want to argue with me, go somewhere else.

 

[marks]

There are no prophets today in the sense that we saw the OT prophets. The gift of prophesy is the gift of preaching. I have no doubt some women can preach. AND if they only preach to women and children and have no authority over men, I'm perfectly ok with that as the Scriptures allow for that. Anything else is unbiblical.

So to be clear . . . your view is that all men have all authority over all women, is that correct? I'm trying to learn if you have the same ideas as @Michiah-Imla .

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

Selective nonsense.

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

And how does that change anything I wrote in the OP in your view? What part of the OP was incorrect according to Scripture? I have not denied men are to love their wives.

 

[reformed1689]

I don't think women should be pastors but they can serve in other capacities.

I have stated agreement with this as well.

 

[reformed1689]

So to be clear . . . your view is that all men have all authority over all women, is that correct? I'm trying to learn if you have the same ideas as @Michiah-Imla .

Much love!

No, that is most certainly not my view. My view is restricted to the specific parameters of the OP.

 

[marks]

Yes, it is a general command because of the appeal to the roles of men and women in Adam and Eve. Thanks for asking.

So . . . it's not actually a command, and there isn't a command given, is there? So in calling Paul's statement a command for others, do you see how you are changing the Word of God? I mean, regardless of which view is correct, do you see how you rework that passage to say something other than what it does say?

Much love!

 

[marks]

You are reading that into my posts. As I have said, this is a thread in direct response to another member, @Pearl suggesting that women should no longer be under the authority of men. So if you want to interact with the topic great, if you just want to argue with me, go somewhere else.

You OP is what I'm engaging with.

You've taken God's instruction to husbands and wives and expanded it to all men and women. And that's just wrong.

And if you do not wish to discuss this with me, don't reply.

Much love!

 

[reformed1689]

So . . . it's not actually a command, and there isn't a command given, is there? So in calling Paul's statement a command for others, do you see how you are changing the Word of God? I mean, regardless of which view is correct, do you see how you rework that passage to say something other than what it does say?

Much love!

Fine call it a rule if you want. That doesn't change the meaning. Women are not permitted to be over men in the church and are not permitted to teach in church. They are, based on other passages, allowed to teach other women, they are allowed to teach children. But the main church ministerial duties are assigned to men.

 

[reformed1689]

You've taken God's instruction to husbands and wives and expanded it to all men and women. And that's just wrong.

Except I have not. I have already told you this.

 

[marks]

No, that is most certainly not my view. My view is restricted to the specific parameters of the OP.

You've fleshed it out a little more in a later post . . .

Agreed. But this is not a thread about that authority being abused or potentially abused. This is in direct response to women who say men do not have authority over them.

Men do not have authority over women.

Wives are to submit to their husbands, and husbands are to love their wives. This does not apply to the unmarried.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

There are no prophets today in the sense that we saw the OT prophets. The gift of prophesy is the gift of preaching. I have no doubt some women can preach. AND if they only preach to women and children and have no authority over men, I'm perfectly ok with that as the Scriptures allow for that. Anything else is unbiblical.

I see you are a cessationist and don't know that NO GIFT in the New Covenant has ceased. I feel sorry for unbelieving cessationists.

 

[amigo de christo]

Cessationism ought to never have been taught .
And let all be on gaurd for what is also running through many a charamsetic church . Its dangerous as well .
Simply learn those bibles well and Believe and heed it all .

 

[marks]

Fine call it a rule if you want. That doesn't change the meaning. Women are not permitted to be over men in the church and are not permitted to teach in church. They are, based on other passages, allowed to teach other women, they are allowed to teach children. But the main church ministerial duties are assigned to men.

You've got this slate of rules worked out . . . but they are not in the Bible.

For instance . . . where does it say women can teach "young men"?

You are the calling Paul's statement a command, now you offer "a rule", I'm the one saying he wrote about himself. You are the one turning that into a command/rule/maxim/pickyourword, Again, whatever our conclusions, we need to be able to read the Bible for what it says, and to recognize what it isn't saying.

And to realize . . . "It's OK for women to teach men until the 5th grade" that this is arbitrarily made up, and is NOT based in the Bible. Nothing tells us that.

And you realize both Aquilla and Priscilla taught Appolos, right?

Much love!