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quietthinker
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you mean God is a flat liner when it comes to communicating with humour ?
quietthinker
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Colossians 1:28-29
He is the one we proclaim, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone fully mature in Christ. To this end I strenuously contend with all the energy Christ so powerfully works in me.
Paul said that. You can't seriously believe you're the apostle Paul. Posting a verse from the Bible doesn't establish your position. It just make you a cheap imitations. You're despicably using the good name of another.
quietthinker
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I haven't found blaming or putting down to be helpful in sharing the good news. I have however learned that God uses humour to convey something wonderful about himself. He has even given us the ability to be humorous.
That said, I also find it disheartening when men attempt to superimpose their rules of formality onto our colourful God as if he were the straight laced type who is incapable of getting a joke.
Think of an elephant who can pick up a tree with his nose and cool himself off by sucking water up the same showering himself....or a giraffe whose head is placed on the end of a neck long enough to be a cherry picker......or Jesus getting Peter to go fishing to pay a tax bill using a coin found in the fishes mouth.
Our God revealed in Jesus loves us erring sinners which is something that has me wondering about his nature ......us sinners one the other hand, even us who claim a connection with God find it so easy to find fault in another......hardly loving!
Now, getting back to Paul's text in Colossians 1.... yeahhhhh, I have no problem concurring with his sentiments!
Michiah-Imla
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That applies to those who refuse to confess their sins:
“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)
Because:
“We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.” (1 John 5:18)
Why do you think that is in 1 John 5:18 if I may ask you, Micah?
The flesh is always prone to sin, so therefore do you sin and confess yourself and make yourself clean again or something? How do you explain it if you would like to share.
Let's be honest, selling all and following after a Christ ministry and always doing perfectly as Jesus instructed is probably beyond me. Anyone who thinks they are perfect is probably self righteous and mislead. Even the righteous must admit they sin daily.
Michiah-Imla
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You are not governed by the flesh if you are born again; Which is why this is written:
“Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Romans 8:12-14)
If you are led by the flesh you are not a child of God.
So:
“put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Romans 13:14)
Because:
“they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24)
Hello to you Miciah,
Due to the only limited scripture I only see partly, and would like to share to you the reason I believe all people continue to sin, however they may sin less when they are sanctified in Christ Jesus, being completely rooted in him, and abiding in him.
I agree with you, about dying to sin. Paul wrote about it, Colossians 3, Romans 6, and there are some other passages in scripture that deal with us, dying to the flesh. So, do not take what I am saying as though, we are given a license to sin. However, Every single person in this world, still sins, when they engage their flesh, in which is also mentioned in Galatians 5.
The scripture you shared in
1 John 3:9
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
Deals with how people are born again like you had stated, they given a new nature, and are created a new in Christ who makes them new. They will have a new inclination to not go on about their own sinful ways, that they did prior, lets look at what Paul said in Corinthians 6.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
The change is from the former old man, into the new man/woman in Christ.
Paul wrote
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new.
The thing, is. Even with the new nature, our flesh still has problems, and lets look at what Paul said about his problem that he prayed 3 times to be taken away from him, and he himself said his flesh was a slave to sin.
Romans 7:25
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Paul also wrote in
2 Corinthians 12:8 Three times I prayed to the Lord about this and asked him to take it away. 9 But his answer was: “My grace is all you need, for my power is greatest when you are weak.” I am most happy, then, to be proud of my weaknesses, in order to feel the protection of Christ's power over me. 10 I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and difficulties for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
So what is the point in all of this? When you as a sold out believer in Christ Jesus understand that your sins were paid for on the cross before you were born, you start to have a gratitude for what the Lord had done for you in turn you become born again and changed and you still live in your flesh, and the only way to hold back the flesh to sin, is relying and trusting in Jesus who lives with-in you, by the Spirit of Christ.
Anytime you do anything good for someone, by the Holy Spirit, it is coming from God himself, to do that actions which motivates us to have love for God and love for others because of the love that God had show not only to us, but to the whole world.
James 1:17 Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
Where does the problem come from when we are motivated to sin? It comes naturally from our fleshly inclinations.
Where is the proof of that?
James 1:13When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. 14But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. 15Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Thank you for taking time to read.
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Michiah-Imla
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This is unbiblical friend.
The only way to overcoming the flesh is to:
“make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.” (Romans 13:14)
“mortify the deeds of the body” (Romans 8:13)
“reckon ye yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin” (Romans 6:11)
You did not even read what I had wrote did you?
That is fine, listen if you do not mind you are gonna have a problem with me because I am going to continue to state, that everyone sins.
You can continue to push your agenda on this thread however that is wrong to do sir.
Thank you for your consideration.
Michiah-Imla
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I read your post.
As usual, you are not seeing the complete doctrine in Roman 7 and 8.
Paul was not saying he was at the present “a slave to sin”, he already laid the foundation at this point earlier:
“For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.” (Romans 7:5)
When we were in the the flesh we were slaves to sin.
This is in contrast to what he then wrote here afterwards:
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you…” (Romans 8:9)
Read the whole teaching and don’t stop where you find comfort and false security in incomplete scripture consumption.
My agenda is to expose lies and to magnify the truth.
That is fine, but do you still sin, or are you perfect?
Do you no longer sin at all period? This is the point of the topic. Do Christians still sin?
Are they perfected every single way in every thought of the heart and intentions 100% of the time, that is what I am curious to know.
You still live in the flesh, you can live by the Holy Spirit but your flesh has not died... you won't lose your flesh until you die, @Michiah-Imla?
Do you no longer sin at all period? This is the point of the topic. Do Christians still sin?
Are they perfected every single way in every thought of the heart and intentions 100% of the time, that is what I am curious to know.
You still live in the flesh, you can live by the Holy Spirit but your flesh has not died... you won't lose your flesh until you die, @Michiah-Imla?
It seems to me that you are putting effort on oneself in dying to the flesh, rather than allowing God to work with an individual by the Holy Spirit, by relying and having faith on the Son of God, so that is why I am asking you these questions, @Michiah-Imla.
Michiah-Imla
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This is the root of your error.
You say, we still live in the flesh: if you choose to do so and ignore this scripture… that’s too bad.
“we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:12-13)
As for not loosing your flesh until you die:
“die daily.” (1 Corinthians 15:31)
Because:
“they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.” (Galatians 5:24)
Who do you belong to?
Christ?
Or the flesh’s desires?
Michiah-Imla
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God tells us to do this!
It’s in his word that I showed you!!
He’s not going to do for you what he told YOU to do!
@Michiah-Imla
How can one do that without relying on Christ?
That is what I do not understand from your premise sir. How can one do that by not knowing what the Bible states?
Do you not agree that reading the word, renews the mind?
I can say with confidence I am a sinner saved by grace through faith, and it is from learning what the Bible has said, being moved from being a sinner into the kingdom of God, but my flesh brother... It is still tempted... all the time when lust comes about in my mind. Be that to be mean to another person, or I am hateful, or whatever.
Can you say the same thing about yourself?
If you can't that is where I believe our communication will just stagnate, I will not have much to say after this.
How can one do that without relying on Christ?
That is what I do not understand from your premise sir. How can one do that by not knowing what the Bible states?
Do you not agree that reading the word, renews the mind?
I can say with confidence I am a sinner saved by grace through faith, and it is from learning what the Bible has said, being moved from being a sinner into the kingdom of God, but my flesh brother... It is still tempted... all the time when lust comes about in my mind. Be that to be mean to another person, or I am hateful, or whatever.
Can you say the same thing about yourself?
If you can't that is where I believe our communication will just stagnate, I will not have much to say after this.
Michiah-Imla
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I don’t sin since being born again and I am perfect because I have counted all things but dung and sacrifice what must be sacrificed (my ego, my fleshly desires) in order to follow my Lord! I take up the cross daily and follow my savior who suffered for me on the cross!
Scripture confirms this!
But to those who think what I just wrote is obscene, it just shows how much of the truth of the scripture has been taken away from them through the abundance of contrary and cunning teachings using good words and fair speeches.
Scripture confirms that what I said is possible. If you think it’s impossible, then YOU DON’T BELIEVE THE BIBLE because:
“the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1 Corinthians 2:14)
Also, few (if any) will agree with me because:
“strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:14)
Boy am I on fire with the Spirit this morning!!
Hallelujah!
