Fallen Angel's Seed

[Davy]

You need to study Scripture - Start in chapter 1 of Gospel of John.
FYI = only the LORD was speaking 100% Truth. Not those who were seeking to kill him.
You made the error of believing the wrong crowd.

What you are saying there is really... stupid!

You accuse me of aligning with those Pharisees in John 8 when I revealed their LIES???

You SOUND just like one of those blind Pharisees now!

 

[Davy]

100% FALSE

You are arguing with the LORD and "it is written" AND mismatching Scripture that does not apply to John 8.

Start in chapter 1 of John and SEEK the TRUTH

May God rebuke you, PHARISEE!

 

[David in NJ]

May God rebuke you, PHARISEE!

lolx100

In FACT i am AGREEING with the LORD and in FACT you are agreeing with the pharisees who spoke from their heart of sin.

 

[David in NJ]

May God rebuke you, PHARISEE!

There is no Salvation guaranteed to the Flesh = ONLY to those whom the FATHER calls of Jew and Gentile.

“Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, https://biblehub.com/nkjv/acts/2.htm#footnotesaccording to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34“For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’

36“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

38Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”

Every Jew and Gentile that rejects the Call of the Father and refuses to come to YAHshuah HaMashiach for their sins will REMAIN in SIN and DIE in their SINS.

 

[Davy]

Take note brethren in Christ Jesus, because there is NO WAY now that I believe this @David in NJ is one us in Christ Jesus.

One of the Bible doctrines the false Jews literally hate, is the matter of Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13, and about the problem of Old Testament history of the Canaanites creeping in among the children of Israel, ESPECIALLY THE JEWS.

That is who the scribes of Israel were made up of, the Kenites, and foreign people of the lands of Canaan (1 Chronicles 2:55; Genesis 15:19). In John 8 Lord Jesus pointed to CAIN also, so could that mean that somehow there were leftover sons of Cain after the flood of Noah? More than likely since Lord Jesus spot-lighted them here...

John 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
KJV

Who was the 1st murderer per God's Word? CAIN!

No wonder the scribes and Pharisees were together in wanting to murder Lord Jesus!!! They were DEFINITELY NOT BORN OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL!

 

[Davy]

There is no Salvation guaranteed to the Flesh = ONLY to those whom the FATHER calls of Jew and Gentile.
....

No backing up now!

You've already revealed yourself as a false Jew of the "synagogue of Satan"!

 

[David in NJ]

Take note brethren in Christ Jesus, because there is NO WAY now that I believe this @David in NJ is one us in Christ Jesus.

One of the Bible doctrines the false Jews literally hate, is the matter of Jesus' parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13, and about the problem of Old Testament history of the Canaanites creeping in among the children of Israel, ESPECIALLY THE JEWS.

That is who the scribes of Israel were made up of, the Kenites, and foreign people of the lands of Canaan (1 Chronicles 2:55; Genesis 15:19). In John 8 Lord Jesus pointed to CAIN also, so could that mean that somehow there were leftover sons of Cain after the flood of Noah? More than likely since Lord Jesus spot-lighted them here...

John 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
KJV

Who was the 1st murderer per God's Word? CAIN!

No wonder the scribes and Pharisees were together in wanting to murder Lord Jesus!!! They were DEFINITELY NOT BORN OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL!

First you side with the unbelieving Jews and now you side with satan, who is the accuser of the brethren.

ALL Jews and Gentiles are in Bondage to SIN and DEAD in tresspasses to GOD = "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of GOD"

ONLY those whom the FATHER calls to CHRIST can be saved = GOSPEL TRUTH

 

[David in NJ]

No backing up now!

You've already revealed yourself as a false Jew of the "synagogue of Satan"!

Boy, this keeps getting funnier by the minute.

If i were, i would be like you rejecting the Words of the LORD Jesus Christ and His Apostles(who were TRUE JEWS) and of whom i believe every word.

 

[Davy]

Boy, this keeps getting funnier by the minute.

If, i were i would be like you rejecting the Words of the LORD Jesus Christ and His Apostles(who were TRUE JEWS) and of whom i believe every word.

You are a LIAR, and of your father who was a liar from the beginning!

 

[ScottA]

Okay so I don't understand something about the "Sons of God" (fallen angels) who left their first estate and came down to earth to procreate with human women.

Why? Why would they have the ability to pass on their genetic seed? We can be sure that angels did not procreate in heaven. So why and how did these fallen Angels suddenly get endowed with (testicles? I'm assuming?). I thought the angels were either without gender or predominantly male. But that still doesn't make much sense to me. How were they able to procreate with humans?

I am going to start by inserting this post from another thread that is about much the same topic:

Interesting...but if we venture off into every possibility, cause, and detail, we miss the forest for the trees.

The point is complete in the knowledge that the fall has in fact come since the beginning. And do you not think it clever that the fallen have children who would be allowed to show their own linage--clever of Satan, that we should look at those trees and not the forest?

So...I submit, that better than this, is to ask why the words are even there--that it is because the scriptures not only tell the story of good and those who love God, but also of evil and those who love their own father the devil. Shall we then entertain them--party together? No, but we should make our study brief, that we should not mingle with such.

Now, it is true that we have been placed in this world and that even Jesus mixed with sinners. But His intent is clear. As for those who would have us believe that equal time should be given to what is evil--I would say, Yes, certainly, that evil may be exposed and judged. The caution then, is that we not be fascinated or touched by their tears. For our tears are to God--but theirs are not, but are a come-on from their father that his time should be extended while we chat.

Be brief and seek what is good.

So...I don't think it matters...and we are talking about God, so what does it matter if they grew testicles, or trunks, or horns? The point is the same--that point being what we should be focusing on, that there was a fall. Why that?

 

[David in NJ]

You are a LIAR, and of your father who was a liar from the beginning!

Oh boy, i'm in trouble. If you are going to accuse you better show forth the evidence.
Calling me a liar is exactly what the pharisees said of the LORD Jesus, of whom i have been washed in His Precious blood and been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Therefore His Word is in my heart,
i will not fear from those who are insincere
they hurl insults to my face
yet i am covered by His Grace
my accusers come not in love
for they do not have the Spirit of the Dove

 

[Davy]

Oh boy, i'm in trouble. If you are going to accuse you better show forth the evidence.
Calling me a liar is exactly what the pharisees said of the LORD Jesus, of whom i have been washed in His Precious blood and been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Therefore His Word is in my heart,
i will not fear from those who are insincere
they hurl insults to my face
yet i am covered by His Grace
my accusers come not in love
for they do not have the Spirit of the Dove

You ARE A LIAR just for TRYING to put me in 'your' blind Pharisee category. You made that FALSE CLAIM against me first! And that is why YOU are the TRUE LIAR HERE.

And you made that FALSE CLAIM against me just because you HATE the Biblical Truth about the "tares" of Jesus' parable of the tares in Matthew 13, which I POINTED TO! Only one of the "tares" would hate that teaching! Points to you as one of them!

 

[David in NJ]

I am going to start by inserting this post from another thread that is about much the same topic:

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So...I don't think it matters...and we are talking about God, so what does it matter if the grew testicles, or trunks, or horns? The point is the same--that point being what we should be focusing on, that there was a fall. Why that?

It matters because it matters to the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT who Authored the Scriptures.
It matters because it is TRUTH for us to know and to caution us to AVOID the same mistake = mixing our DNA with fallen angels/demons/occultists.
It matters because the LORD said Noah's days will return, which it has and will gain momentum.

 

[David in NJ]

You ARE A LIAR just for TRYING to put me in 'your' blind Pharisee category. You made that FALSE CLAIM against me first! And that is why YOU are the TRUE LIAR HERE.

And you made that FALSE CLAIM against me just because you HATE the Biblical Truth about the "tares" of Jesus' parable of the tares in Matthew 13, which I POINTED TO! Only one of the "tares" would hate that teaching! Points to you as one of them!

i do not hate you at all and i love the TRUTH including the parable of the "Tares" spoken by the LORD Jesus Christ

CALM DOWN and focus on TRUTH = His Word

Those Jews who wanted to kill Him had the same "SIN" in their heart as Cain = therefore their claim to Abraham could not save them from their SIN.

I speak the truth in Christ; I am not lying, as confirmed by my conscience in the Holy Spirit.
2I have deep sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,
my own flesh and blood, = the people of Israel.
Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory and the covenants; theirs the giving of the law, the temple worship, and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them proceeds the human descent of Christ, who is God over all, forever worthy of praise!a Amen. Genesis 25:19–28; Malachi 1:1–5)

6It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”
So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children,
but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring.
For this is what the promise stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”


But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.
It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”
For there is no difference between Jew and Greek:
The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him,
for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[ScottA]

It matters because it matters to the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT who Authored the Scriptures.
It matters because it is TRUTH for us to know and to caution us to AVOID the same mistake = mixing our DNA with fallen angels/demons/occultists.
It matters because the LORD said Noah's days will return, which it has and will gain momentum.

Okay, so as a preventative measure. That's good.

My only caution is that even by mixing with it to study and understand what not to do again, we run the risk of exposure and a humanitarian spirit of compromise. I mean, one of the biggest arguments against God, is that it's "not inclusive"...and after all, "we're all just people and want what is good." Not that I believe that at all, and I am okay with a certain amount of exposure--but I guess I am concerned about those who don't fully understand the risk. Me? Us? We have the armor of God.

Conversely, I would recommend that such a study be brief, with the understanding that the point is that: there was a fall...and then move forward, rather than dwelling in it like victims remaining victims.

 

[GEN2REV]

Who said that quote?

near as i can tell, me, although i srsly doubt that tbh

You put quotations around it. Thought I'd ask.

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, so as a preventative measure. That's good.

My only caution is that even by mixing with it to study and understand what not to do again, we run the risk of exposure and a humanitarian spirit of compromise. I mean, one of the biggest arguments against God, is that it's "not inclusive"...and after all, "we're all just people and want what is good." Not that I believe that at all, and I am okay with a certain amount of exposure--but I guess I am concerned about those who don't fully understand the risk. Me? Us? We have the armor of God.

Conversely, I would recommend that such a study be brief, with the understanding that the point is that: there was a fall...and then move forward, rather than dwelling in it like victims remaining victims.

Agree - i say the same about water baptism to those who believe it washed away their sins, when it is the Blood of Christ that saves us and the outward act of water baptism(which i have partaken of) comes AFTER we have first believed in our hearts unto Salvation.

We do need to be careful of the magnitude of deception that is being unleashed and will continue right up to our LORD'S Return.
So we stay in the Word, in prayer, in fellowship, forgiving one another and loving one another in HIM, even when we disagree.
Chatting on these forums leaves out so much detail that it is easy to misunderstand each other.
My fingers cannot keep up with my thoughts so important details can be missed.

 

[bbyrd009]

You put quotations around it. Thought I'd ask.

i kinda ripped it off from some similar quote, forget what now

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Those verses aren't talking about an angel.

What do imaginations and drawings of angels have to do with what we've been discussing?

who is “I am the first and the last?”
What is the angel of the Lord?
The point though was …what it has to do with the topic being discussed is fallen angels and how our perspective is formed by pictures. Pictures depicting what fallen angels look like. When I looked up giants it took me to Greek mythology and Zeus with lightening bolts. It doesn’t matter though. Only reason it matters for me is; how do you give an genuine input to the topic of the thread “fallen angels seed” without first considering what is a fallen angel (messenger)? Our view shapes our response on the seed (Imo)?

 

[David in NJ]

Those verses aren't talking about an angel.

What do imaginations and drawings of angels have to do with what we've been discussing?

Awesome - so happy that you know this: "Those verses(Rev ch1) aren't talking about an angel" - HalleluYAH