Did Jesus die on Friday?

[TahitiRun]

Another way "three days and three nights" can be understood is by using the Greek copula "καί" that connects the two phrases "three days and (Gk: "καί") three nights", as an explicative copula having the meaning of "three days, even three nights". The clarifying phrase "three nights" being understood metaphorically for the spiritual darkness that would overtake or overshadow the three day period between Friday (day one) and Sunday (day three).

It also explains Jesus' reference to Jonah (Mat 12:40) as being "just as or exactly like" (Gk: ὥσπερ) Jonah's "three days and three nights" (or as the LXX Jon 1:17: "three days, even [Gk: "καί"] three nights") in the belly of the fish. Christ, like Jonah, would undergo/experience spiritual darkness, and do so on our behalf (Isa 53:4-5), as shown here:

Jon 2:2 saying, "I called to the LORD, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and thou didst hear my voice.
Jon 2:3 For thou didst cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood was round about me; all thy waves and thy billows passed over me.
Jon 2:4 Then I said, 'I am cast out from thy presence; how shall I again look upon thy holy temple?'
Jon 2:5 The waters closed in over me, the deep was round about me; weeds were wrapped about my head
Jon 2:6 at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me for ever; yet thou didst bring up my life from the Pit, O LORD my God.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You are wrong. My calculations are correct and my interpretations are correct. Now if you want to question one of them, have at it.

I just did. Apparently you don't see the flaw in your logic. You can't use a calendar date to prove an interpretation of the Bible. In my video, I demonstrate that Jesus died on Passover, which was Wednesday that Year. Now, using a Lunar calendar, I'm certain you can find a year when that was possible. I think I could.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is not that I was disinterested, it is just plain wrong for the reasons I pointed out many times now!

If I didn't know how Jews reckoned time colloquially, and what Sabbath meant and that the term High Sabbath did not occur until after Jesus, it would make a lot of sense. but facts always get in the way of faulty hypotheses.

What is wrong? Your mischaracterization of my view? I don't see the nobility in making up something that I didn't say just to claim it is wrong.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Another way "three days and three nights" can be understood is by using the Greek copula "καί" that connects the two phrases "three days and (Gk: "καί") three nights", as an explicative copula having the meaning of "three days, even three nights". The clarifying phrase "three nights" being understood metaphorically for the spiritual darkness that would overtake or overshadow the three day period between Friday (day one) and Sunday (day three).

It also explains Jesus' reference to Jonah (Mat 12:40) as being "just as or exactly like" (Gk: ὥσπερ) Jonah's "three days and three nights" (or as the LXX Jon 1:17: "three days, even [Gk: "καί"] three nights") in the belly of the fish. Christ, like Jonah, would undergo/experience spiritual darkness, and do so on our behalf (Isa 53:4-5), as shown here:

Jon 2:2 saying, "I called to the LORD, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and thou didst hear my voice.
Jon 2:3 For thou didst cast me into the deep, into the heart of the seas, and the flood was round about me; all thy waves and thy billows passed over me.
Jon 2:4 Then I said, 'I am cast out from thy presence; how shall I again look upon thy holy temple?'
Jon 2:5 The waters closed in over me, the deep was round about me; weeds were wrapped about my head
Jon 2:6 at the roots of the mountains. I went down to the land whose bars closed upon me for ever; yet thou didst bring up my life from the Pit, O LORD my God.

Why mention both the days and the nights? You raise an interesting question.

 

[Pierac]

Those whom use/read John into this topic must understand his point of view...

Joh 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

John never claimed historical accuracy... He only wanted to show you that Jesus is the Christ... the Passover Lamb... Thus His timeline differs when it comes to Jesus death... John wants to show Jesus as the sacrificial Lamb of Passover. This is why John does not match with the others in the time line...John was trying to make a point... not be historically accurate.

Paul

 

[Grailhunter]

I just did. Apparently you don't see the flaw in your logic. You can't use a calendar date to prove an interpretation of the Bible.

Yes I can! God is real, the Bible is real, it occurs in history. And here we are talking about something that is historical. Finding things like the killing or innocence will be difficult....But this is not that hard to pin point.

I demonstrate that Jesus died on Passover, which was Wednesday that Year.

This event occurs on a High Sabbath....so Wednesday is not it...nice try!

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes I can! God is real, the Bible is real, it occurs in history. And here we are talking about something that is historical. Finding things like the killing or innocence will be difficult....But this is not that hard to pin point.



This event occurs on a High Sabbath....so Wednesday is not it...nice try!

The High Sabbath was NOT a weekly Sabbath as you suppose.
Two nights is not three nights.

 

[Grailhunter]

The High Sabbath was NOT a weekly Sabbath as you suppose.
Two nights is not three nights.

I never said that.
The Jewish Sabbath occurs every week....day of rest....remember.....every Saturday.
The Passover occurs every year.....never on the same day....it follows the lunar cycle....the full moon.
The Hebrew days of the week count off and do not follow the lunar cycle.
So each year Passover occurs on a different day. Christ's crucifixion occurred on the Day of Preparation for Passover....the day before Passover.....That year Passover occurred on Saturday.....the Sabbath.. Some calling it a high day or double Sabbath. John 19:31-42 refers to this high day.

The arithmetic did not workout....and I am not going to get into what numbers mean in the Bible.
If arithmetic is the soul reason you want to throw the event off...can not help you.

 

[amadeus]

[For a discussion of the preparation day, see my answer to Mary.]

I make videos because people don't like long posts. After many years of posting online I decided to use the visual medium to explain complicated ideas. But lately I have wondered whether to stop making the videos, considering the responses I get. May I ask, do you watch any videos at all or just Christian ones? Other Christians have told me that they don't watch videos either and this is discouraging. What they say is a fair criticism, that most Christian videos are just propaganda. Your thoughts along these lines, whether positive or negative, would be very helpful to me.

I do not watch many videos unless they are very short [a few minutes long]. I did watch this one because I studied this subject myself long ago as well as reviewing the studies of others. I will save the location of this video for my own use. Thank you for preparing it and making it available to us.

 

[marks]

Psalms 119:57-62 KJV
57) CHETH. Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.
58) I intreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word.
59) I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.
60) I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.
61) The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law.
62) At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What is wrong? Your mischaracterization of my view? I don't see the nobility in making up something that I didn't say just to claim it is wrong.

I don't mischaracterize your hypothesis. It just doesn't align with the facts! You put in a lot of work and study but the conclusion is wrong. It happens. Happened a lot to me when I thought I found some thing that 2000 years of teh church got wrong. A lot of us have gone through this.

 

[Wrangler]

Happened a lot to me when I thought I found some thing that 2000 years of teh church got wrong.

Oh? What was that?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Psalms 119:57-62 KJV
57) CHETH. Thou art my portion, O LORD: I have said that I would keep thy words.
58) I intreated thy favour with my whole heart: be merciful unto me according to thy word.
59) I thought on my ways, and turned my feet unto thy testimonies.
60) I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.
61) The bands of the wicked have robbed me: but I have not forgotten thy law.
62) At midnight I will rise to give thanks unto thee because of thy righteous judgments.

Much love!

So did Jesus every night of his life. Your insinuation this Psalm literally predicted the time Jesus would rise from the dead is arbitrary nonsense.

Matthew 27:62 - 28:1-4 states: "the morning of the day [tehi epaurion] which is after the Preparation (after Friday) [hehtis estin meta tehn Paraskeuehn] .. HE SAID: “I SHALL RISE the third day” . SABBATH’S-TIME in fullness [opse Sabbatohn] while being mid-afternoon in the inclining daylight [tehi epiphohskousehi] towards before the First Day of the week [eis Mian-sabbatohn].

According to this SCRIPTURE Jesus’ Grave was sealed and guarded during the Sabbath morning after all of the previous night after midnight on that day “the third day” which the same Scripture continues to state that He said He was going to rise on, namely “on the weekly Sabbath Day”, “that selfsame day” [of “thick darkness” collectively called “This That Selsame BONE-DAY” Etsem Yom’ Exodus 14:41,42 and “the third day . in the end(ing) of” it: “BEFORE the First Day”—“before” because of both Preposition ‘eis’ as well as CASE being Accusative.

Unquestionably Jesus did not rise <at midnight> as you FALSY claim through this FALSE ‘quote’ by you.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Another way "three days and three nights" can be understood is by using the Greek copula "καί" that connects the two phrases "three days and (Gk: "καί") three nights", as an explicative copula having the meaning of "three days, even three nights". The clarifying phrase "three nights" being understood metaphorically for the spiritual darkness that would overtake or overshadow the three day period between Friday (day one) and Sunday (day three).

Keen observation. <"Three days, even three nights"> understood <as clarifying explicative copula> (derived from the <"three days and three nights">) of "THAT-SELFSAME-WHOLE-DAY-BONE-DAY" - 'ETSEM YOHM' as ONE date, namely "the fourteenth day of the First Month", that INCLUDED the "three days thick darkness" of 14, 15 and 16 Abib— literal, "painful", physical, "darkness felt", during the 9th and 10th plagues of the passover and exodus of Israel “out of Egypt”, as "That Selfsame Day" <that would overtake and overshadow the three day period> of "Our Passover", Jesus', last, "Passover of Yahweh" in Jerusalem on earth.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

* According to Luke 23:54 and John 19:31-42 Jesus was buried before
sunset.

Correct! Good. Stay good - what nonsense do you say before this! <Where the text lacks clarification, I prefer to think of evening as any hour between high noon and sunset; just as I prefer to think of morning as any hour between sunrise and high noon, i.e. AM, PM.> So unnecessary. Don't have or form opinion, test opinion with SCRIPTURE : only. The Text never <lacks clarification> - we lack clarification-- with Scripture. Don't <prefer to think>. We are not to prefer, we are to believe the Text. Which diametrically differs with your interpretation and preferment, obviously.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

6th century A.D
The Babylonian Talmud is the culmination of the oral teachings of the scribes and Pharisees that Christ so adamantly rebuked. It is a long collection of books that weren’t put into written form until around the 6th century A.D. It is composed of the Mishnah and Gemara, the rambling of rabbis over the ages.


Well the Jews are the descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob- that is the nation of Israel! The only promised seed for salvation of Abraham is Jesus! But God made covenants with Israel the nation.

Never studied Scofiled, so can't tell you what he said.

I like this!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So you know when Babylon existed? I agree that the Talmud is silly in many ways. Extremely silly. However, the ruling elite in the Pharisees used it extensively. The traditions that Jesus corrected during his advent came from the Talmud. Thus, you have information from the Talmud referenced in the NT. There is NO criticism found in the NT for the referenced from the Talmud of a "High Sabbath".

You're being ridiculous.

Vice versa. The traditions <referenced in the NT> are not <information from the Talmud> but 'information' from those pre-Christian periods which the Talmud refers to and borrowed from. Ts ts ts it's difficult to be so learned, man!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You may find this funny.....
Noon is not a word or a notion in the Ancient Greek....so after-noon would not mean anything to them. Nor do they go with AM and PM. Midday would be how they thought of it and the Greek word for that is μεσημβρίαν...it appears once in the New Testament in Acts 22:6. Now most Bibles do not catch on to fact that noon does not appear in the New Testament scriptures....so when they came upon Acts 22:6 they translated the Greek word for midday to noon---for that one scripture. Which is not wrong as a time, just wrong as a translation. Then the other funny is for Acts 26:13 (another singular occurrence describing the time as the middle of the day) they translate to the English word midday from another set of Greek words.

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• What time is it? – Τι ώρα είναι; – Ti ora einai.
• It is (insert number) o’clock. Είναι (insert number) η ώρα. Einai (number) I ora.
• It is one o’clock. Είναι μία η ώρα. Einai mia I ora.
• It is two o’clock. Είναι δύο η ώρα. Einai thio I ora.
• It is ten o’clock. Είναι δέκα η ώρα. Einai theka I ora.
• It is eleven o’clock. Είναι έντεκα η ώρα. Einai endeka I ora.
• It is twelve o’clock. Είναι δώδεκα η ώρα. Einai thotheka I ora.
• It is fourteen o’clock. Είναι δεκατέσσερα η ώρα. Einai thekatessera I ora.
• It is twenty o’clock. Είναι είκοσι η ώρα. Einai ikosi I ora.
• It is twenty-three. Είναι είκοσι τρία η ώρα. Einai ikosi tria I ora.
• It is half past (one). Είναι μία και μισή. Einai mia kai misi.
• It is quarter past (four). Είναι τέσσερις και τέταρτο. Einai tesseris kai tetarto.
• It is quarter to (ten). Είναι δέκα παρά τέταρτο. Einai theka para tetarto.
• It’s midnight. είναι μεσάνυχτα. Einai mesanichta
• It’s midday. είναι μεσημέρι. Einai mesimeri.
• In the morning. το πρωί. to proi
• After midday. το απόγευμα. to apoyevma
• In the evening. το βράδυ.to vrathi

Modern Greek?