For those who think Christ is not God.

[Robert Gwin]

So, you think Thomas was really saying "Oh my Lord God in heaven, the man is alive"!...?

The KJV got it that wrong?

Since Jesus is not God, and Thomas was an apostle who knew who God is, then obviously your understanding of what is being said is in error Truth. Some versions add and exclamation point, the KJV does not. It is not necessarily right or wrong, it was the translators prerogative as to how it is rendered. It is the readers responsibility to understand it.

Any time a Bible verse contradicts another, then it is always going to be an individuals understanding that is at fault.

"Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" (Matt. 16:13b).

In response to Jesus' question, the disciples ticked off various views that were being put forward:

"Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets" (v. 14). Jesus was being identified with all kinds of people, but none of these speculations was correct.

Then Jesus asked the disciples, "But who do you say that I am?" (v. 15b). Peter answered with what is known as the great confession, a statement of his belief as to the identity of Jesus: "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God" (v. 16). With these words, Peter declared that Jesus was the Christos, the Mashiach, the Anointed One.

Robert...Then Jesus asked Robert... "But who do you say that I am?"

J.

Robert say: You are the Christ, the firstborn son of Jehovah. I fully agree with Peter Joe, and I believe you agree with him as well, especially when Jesus confirmed the accuracy of Peters answer v17. It would appear that we agree on this point.

I regularly use that verse to let Jesus say who he is, and I usually couple it with Jeremiah 10:10 which reads: But Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God and the eternal King.

 

[Pearl]

That's very metaphorical. It's a figure of speech. It could mean anything.

Jesus told us repeatedly that he is the son of God... He prayed to God and spoke to God. And God responded by saying "This is my son"

Your loss.

 

[Brakelite]

KJV Matthew 3:1-3
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

What exactly did Isaiah say.....

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Then why do you "reason" Thomas'confession away?
J.

Confession? Thomas made a statement, and I fully agree with it. Jesus was in fact resurrected and met with his apostles, and at least 500 individuals witnessed that fact. And as I indicated since Thomas knew who God is, he was not saying Jesus was his God.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Why did you doubt? (Matthew 14:31)

Do you still not understand? (Matthew 16:9)
Who do people say the Son of Man is? (Matthew 16:13)

Who do you say I am? (Matthew 16:15)

J.

See the distinction Joe? 1 Pet 3:15

 

[Robert Gwin]

Php 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Php 2:7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

“The Father is greater than I am.”

Do you understand Robert?
J.

What do my posts reveal sir?

 

[BarneyFife]

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
J.

 

[Johann]

Since Jesus is not God, and Thomas was an apostle who knew who God is, then obviously your understanding of what is being said is in error Truth. Some versions add and exclamation point, the KJV does not. It is not necessarily right or wrong, it was the translators prerogative as to how it is rendered. It is the readers responsibility to understand it.

Any time a Bible verse contradicts another, then it is always going to be an individuals understanding that is at fault.


Robert say: You are the Christ, the firstborn son of Jehovah. I fully agree with Peter Joe, and I believe you agree with him as well, especially when Jesus confirmed the accuracy of Peters answer v17. It would appear that we agree on this point.

I regularly use that verse to let Jesus say who he is, and I usually couple it with Jeremiah 10:10 which reads: But Jehovah is truly God. He is the living God and the eternal King.

Mat_16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mar_8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.


Luk_4:41 And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Luk_22:67 Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

J.

 

[Brakelite]

There is a strong probability that Jesus is the son of God considering the fact that they both say this repeatedly and that Jesus speaks to God often.

Totally, in fact acceptance of the Sonship of Jesus to God is pivotal to our understanding of His divinity. Please note carefully the following...

Throughout scripture the belief and trust in the declaration that Jesus is the Son of God is seen as a first principle in faith. Among the apostles this equated as proof of divinity...as proof of Sonship prior to the incarnation. He was the Creator in the beginning, and He is now the recreator of minds and hearts lost and corrupted through the deceitfulness of sin. We are called to honor the Son as we honor the Father. In love, in worship, in service, in faithfulness, in character. May the Lord bless all who come to Him in true faith and hope of eternal life.

(in response to @Waiting on him ...Is your son human, presuming you have a son? So if you being corrupted by 6000 years of degeneration, are still able to beget someone after your own kind, why cannot God being perfect, beget someone after His own unique kind... God?

 

[BarneyFife]

 

[Johann]

See the distinction Joe? 1 Pet 3:15

1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

I am giving you this link Robert, there are questions,...and then there are questions..

JESUS: ANSWERING QUESTIONS WITH QUESTIONS

Shalom to you and family.
(I don't know all the answers myself and that alone should teach us to remain humble and meek, for a bruised reed and a smoldering flax our Lord Christ Jesus will never quench.)

J.

 

[Brakelite]

After 25 years I still distinctly remember how much scripture came to life after accepting the Sabbath.

 

[Johann]

A formula of Anselm's implying that the intelligibility of Christian doctrine can only become evident after belief in it.
J.

 

[Brakelite]

KJV Romans 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

How many spirits do we have in us? Or do both the Father and the Son share the same Spirit?

KJV Romans 8:10-11
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV John 14:23
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


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[Waiting on him]

What?
Are you saying Jesus didn't talk and pray to God?
Are you saying that God did not say "This is my son"?
Are these not facts now?

Sounds as if he is saying Jesus impregnated Mary?

 

[face2face]

You are in error F2F
J.

If so provide your understanding...but be sure to use Scripture please.
You might want to read Romans 6 if you don't believe Jesus is "the" resurrection and the life...John 11 also.

 

[Johann]

And as I indicated since Thomas knew who God is, he was not saying Jesus was his God.

How can you say that Jesus was NOT his God when Scripture...

Joh 20:28 In reply, T'oma said to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, Adoni and Elohai! [TEHILLIM 35:23]

ο κυριος μου και ο θεος μου

Joh 20:28 Then Thomas answered, & said vnto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.
J.

 

[face2face]

KJV Romans 8:9
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his

How many spirits do we have in us? Or do both the Father and the Son share the same Spirit?

KJV Romans 8:10-11
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

KJV John 14:23
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


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Ephesians 6:17 is a good start. His Word is His Spirit among other things...2 Samuel 23:2 His Word was on my tongue and so on. Don't bother with the belief you have some ethereal essence of God in you... that's nowhere taught in Scripture.

 

[APAK]

@Pearl is right on target APAK.
J.

I do not truly know what you mean here Johann, unless you want to kickstart another round of I know it and you do not....right on target in what...ignorance of what is really being said by some others?

She, as you, are pretty ignorant of scripture. It is crucial that both of you and others get into scripture with all the tools available and even available on line. It is important to really understand by ones self and not by teachers who tend to lead people astray. As if you listen to teachers that might tell you something like this.... to say, "she'll be right, trust me, don't believe those fringe groups and heretics, we are on the winning team..".lol. And truly, as honest I can be, both of you are really off I'm afraid, you are in the 1st class of bible study and stick stuck in there..it shows in your writings.

Just saying since you asked me a question of people being 'on target.' YOU opened this door, not me Johann.

I could go on and entertain the theme of being 'on target' but I won't...

 

[Waiting on him]

1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
J.

He also said to be as children in malice, but in understanding be as men.