How to go to Hell. Pt 1

[Ferris Bueller]

Jesus is THE Truth, and if you have Him in you, (born again)"""" you shall never PERISH, and no ONE (including yourself) can take the born again out of His Hand"

You dont understand any of this, and you are not going understand it.
You are too long in the wasteland.

I don't care about your OSAS beliefs. What I understand and what I care about is what the Bible says: You are saved and are God's household and you remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life IF you believe and are holding fast to the gospel word. That's the truth that matters. That's the truth that counts. That is what we are to be exhorting each other with. OSAS, for or against, does not change that truth one iota.

 

[Behold]

I don't care about your OSAS beliefs. What I understand and what I care about is what the Bible says: You are saved and are God's household and you remain in the Son and the Father and the promise of eternal life

If you were concerned with Truth, vs only being driven by your self righteousness.... you'd pay attention, vs just posting redundant, circular thought process, 40 times in my Thread.
Listen..
If you are born again, you are always born again.
You can't change this with a faith crisis.
Being BORN by the Holy Spirit, can't be changed by a later faith crisis.
Jesus said of all the born again..."You shall never perish".

 

[AceWestfall08]

@Behold All the virgins believed the bridegroom was coming, and all wanted to go with him.

What is your interpretation of this parable?

The Parable of the Ten Virgins
25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you were concerned with Truth, vs only being driven by your self righteousness.... you'd pay attention, vs just posting redundant, circular thought process, 40 times in my Thread.
Listen..
If you are born again, you are always born again.
You can't change this with a faith crisis.
Being BORN by the Holy Spirit, can't be changed by a later faith crisis.
Jesus said of all the born again..."You shall never perish".

Your thread is How to go to Hell. Pt 1. The simple Biblical answer is don't let the word of God remain in you. You don't like that answer, which is right from the Bible, because it interferes with your OSAS beliefs. I don't care. I care what the Bible says. You and anybody else can derive whatever OSAS belief you want, for or against OSAS, out of the scriptures I posted but you will not change the plain truth of those scriptures: You have to have the word of God in you and remaining in you to the end to be a part of God's house and to remain in the Son, the Father and the promise of eternal life. If you were a little more educated about this subject you'd know that the original OSAS teaching acknowledges that truth. That truth doesn't have to mean you can lose your salvation. Ask a Calvinist to explain it to you.

 

[AceWestfall08]

8 Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding

 

[theefaith]

When one is made righteous and converted into a new creation through faith in the forgiveness of God apart from works they produce righteous works because of the new righteous nature they have received. Those righteous works is what God will use to judge us at the end of the age as having been made righteous (born again) through the forgiveness of sin, or not. Those who have the evidence that shows they are born again enter into the kingdom of God. Those who can't show by how they lived that they have the righteousness that comes by faith go to the left and into the eternal fire.

The works in the passage you quoted are the evidence of one's righteousness, the righteousness they received when they believed. They are not the works one must do in order to earn passage into the kingdom as a debt owed to the person who performed them. That is a works gospel. That is the gospel the Catholic church teaches.

Justification state of grace is by faith and baptism, not faith alone!

Merits: good works / virtues are meritorious!

We are members of Christ in his grace and filled with his spirit!

1 Corinthians 12:26
And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

1 Peter 4:13
But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Religion is what man owes to God for having created him in His image and likeness!

To Christ for having redeemed him in His own blood!

to the Holy Spirit for sanctifying him in the sacraments of holy mother church!

it only Christ by His grace (merits of His blood passion and death) that we are enabled and empowered to actually be holy and righteous and all our actions

if we live by the spirit we put to death the deeds of the flesh

my grace is sufficient for you

Phil 4:13 I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

our participation is required

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Colossians 1:24
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind (lacking) of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification)

 

[theefaith]

Matt 25 the sheep are those who did good works in Christ in grace and became righteous the goats did not even though they knew and believed in Jesus!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Justification state of grace is by faith and baptism, not faith alone!

The proper Biblical phrase is "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6). A person is made righteous (justified) by faith apart from works. You don't work to get your sin forgiven. You receive the forgiveness of God by faith in the blood of Jesus, apart from the merit of your works.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

and became righteous

Faith in God's forgiveness makes a person righteous all by itself. That's what makes it a free gift. But if you have to work for it, as you Catholics do, then it is no longer a free gift, but a debt that God owes you for the work you did. That's called a works gospel. A gospel that can not save.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Merits: good works / virtues are meritorious!

...but not toward being made righteous.

"4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. " Romans 4:4-5​

You Catholics are vs. 4. We Protestants are vs. 5.

You work to be righteous. We believe and are made righteous, then do righteous work.

 

[theefaith]

Is it just me , or do others see that thee faith seems to never really listen to what one is saying .
All i see him do is keep going to his cut copy and paste . Often we have discussions and he never seems to remember anything
i have said . Thee faith , just go into that bible and learn that JESUS for yourself my friend .
Actually learn the BIBLE and stop running to cut copy and paste .

Copy and paste a sin?
I have extensive notes and paste

Unity of faith!


“Bible alone” is the cos of division;

Not the Bible or the Bible and the teaching authority of Christ in His church founded on Peter and his successors! Matt 16:18-19

Who is the arbiter of truth!

You can decide.
You can decide what is true.
You can decide what is truth.
You can decide right and wrong.

Not one of these are found in scripture!

Found in scripture!
Taught is found 79 times
Instructed is found 19
Instruction is found 33


Jn 14:6 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…

Matt 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

1 Tim 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[theefaith]

The proper phrase is "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6). "Faith alone" is James' argument (James 2:24) and means something entirely different.

"Righteousness apart from works" means the righteousness that makes you right with God comes to you from God as a free gift that you do not work for. As opposed to the righteousness that comes from you to God in the form of your righteous works. Your righteousness is woefully insufficient to make you right with God. And so God provided a way that you can receive the righteousness that comes from him and which makes you right with him. The Catholic church polluted this simple truth with their required works they say make you right with God. And they did that to make you slaves to them.

you will never find “faith alone”’in scripture

Why reject Jesus Christ?
Why reject the word of God?
All for the sake ago a 16th century novelty and heresy of “faith alone”!

Faith and baptism!

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mk 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

Jn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

Acts 8:36-38

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Faith and baptism!

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture, inspired of God…

 

[Behold]

@Behold All the virgins believed the bridegroom was coming, and all wanted to go with him.

What is your interpretation of this parable?

The Parable of the Ten Virgins
25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

The "foolish" would be the unbelievers who have no "OIL". (symbolic for the Holy Spirit).
"OIL" is the Holy Spirit........so, this would be all unbelievers who do not have the Holy Spirit in them, because they are not born again.

The Born again, have the Holy Spirit (OIL), and so, Jesus will say to them "welcome".....> but to the CHRIST REJECTORS who have no HOLY SPIRIT IN THEM... (no OIL), -"Depart from me, i never know you".

 

[Behold]

Your thread is How to go to Hell. Pt 1.

That is my Thread's Title, but its not my Thread's Topic or Teaching.
You missed it.

 

[theefaith]

The proper Biblical phrase is "righteousness apart from works" (Romans 4:6). A person is made righteous (justified) by faith apart from works. You don't work to get your sin forgiven. You receive the forgiveness of God by faith in the blood of Jesus, apart from the merit of your works.

Sacraments are not works

 

[Behold]

because it interferes with your OSAS beliefs.

This is no such thing as OSAS.
This set of letters is actually designed by a Devil who wanted to demonize the Grace of God, by trying to twist the idea of God's Grace, into, : "license to Sin".
JUDE: talks about these devils. (christian fakers).
You should go and read about yourself.
He said, they came in and have tried to pervert the GRACE of GOD< by demonizing it as : "do what you want". "Live in sin, no big deal".

Many today, like you Ferris Bueller, are just the continuation of that same type of Legalist.
See,.... all Legalists, just like you... believe that they keep themselves saved by doing something., whereas a real believer, understands that their salvation is always kept by God, based on the work that Jesus did on the Cross.

 

[theefaith]

Faith in God's forgiveness makes a person righteous all by itself. That's what makes it a free gift. But if you have to work for it, as you Catholics do, then it is no longer a free gift, but a debt that God owes you for the work you did. That's called a works gospel. A gospel that can not save.

It’s free but received in faith and baptism!

then you must use it and apply it to your life
Prayer, virtue, suffering!

how can to be saved without obeying God and his commandments?

deut. 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!



Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptism
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

 

[theefaith]

Faith in God's forgiveness makes a person righteous all by itself. That's what makes it a free gift. But if you have to work for it, as you Catholics do, then it is no longer a free gift, but a debt that God owes you for the work you did. That's called a works gospel. A gospel that can not save.

If I give you an iPhone 12 it’s a free gift but it’s useless to you!

you have to use it!
You have to use grace!

 

[Behold]

Faith in God's forgiveness makes a person righteous all by itself.

Thats not how it works.
Let me show you.

God accepts your faith, to then MAKE YOU RIGHTEOUS.
See that?
Its not your faith in God that does that...>Its GOD HIMSELF doing that, because you gave Him your faith ONE TIME>
And if you did, then He gave you this..>"The righteousness of God, in Christ".
Its a GIFT.... "The GIFT of Righteousness"...and "The Gift of Salvation".
Once you have it, you have it., and you'll keep it for as long as God lives.

 

[theefaith]

...but not toward being made righteous.

"4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. " Romans 4:4-5​

You Catholics are vs. 4. We Protestants are vs. 5.

You work to be righteous. We believe and are made righteous, then do righteous work.

that verse refers to works alone!

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, andpatience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;