The real Jesus

[AceWestfall08]

I don't not describe myself as any denomination. I do not go to any church. All of my study has been independent and on my own. I see god as something very personal and intimate to me. Closer than a brother. Is it "Jesus". It could be...I met the spirit when i was a blind ignorant believer at age 22. Now I'm 32, and i have this wonderful relationship with the spirit. But i also see the many flavors of Christianity. me believing it was Jesus or in the "details" has never been a "priority". I just know its there. " in truth I don't know. But I have read the Bible, and I do read it from time to time.

 

[Jack]

I don't not describe myself as any denomination. I do not go to any church. All of my study has been independent and on my own. I see god as something very personal and intimate to me. Closer than a brother. Is it "Jesus". It could be....in truth I don't know. But I have read the Bible, and I do read it from time to time.

Jesus, God of the Bible, is the ONLY Savior.

 

[AceWestfall08]

You say that. Like I haven't heard that 10 million times already. I've noticed alot of "digging in" and "statements". Such as This is this, and that is that. There is no room for doubt. Thomas doubted and he was not condemned. Doubt gets us to ask questions, and to gain a deeper understanding of things, which bring about beauty and design. I want to see the design and how everything ties together. How it works, how the "spiritual machine" works.

I read many verses. Posting them and saying its just true, won't edify me. I need your heart and soul, to show me you really care about this. Tell me what is God to you....how do you apply your belief in Jesus to a real-intimate-close relationship with God, beyond just Knowledge of scriptures.....

My god does this, without all stigma of blind obedient belief.

 

[Wrangler]

You haven't heard that Jesus lives?

Not relevant to the point that he died as this is THE defining characteristic he lacks in being the eternal God who never does.

 

[Wrangler]

John 14:9 (NKJV)
9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Di you realize how ambiguous this is compared to there is one God, the Father in 1 COR 8:6?

If you see a picture of me, it is not me, even though you know what I. look l Like.

Do you ever ask if Jesus being God is so important, why Scripture isn’t as clear as 1 COR 8:6?

 

[Wrangler]

God is omnipresent.
In Heaven He is the Father.
On Earth He is the Son.

Wrong. You say this as if God’s glory on Earth was not seen with Moses or Gods voice did not announce Jesus was his son, in whom he was well pleased.

Also, Numbers explicitly says God is not a man.

 

[ChristisGod]

Wrong. You say this as if God’s glory on Earth was not seen with Moses or Gods voice did not announce Jesus was his son, in whom he was well pleased.

Also, Numbers explicitly says God is not a man.

No It doesn’t say that is says:

God is not a man - that He should lie. Man is a liar, God is not .

hope this helps !!!

 

[Wrangler]

No It doesn’t say that is says:

God is not a man - that He should lie. Man is a liar, God is not .

hope this helps !!!

Akin to John 4:24, God is Spirit. Jesus is flesh. Not God.

 

[ChristisGod]

Akin to John 4:24, God is Spirit. Jesus is flesh. Not God.

2 Corinthians 3:18
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

 

[Taken]

Wrong.

Uh....Careful..

You say this as if God’s glory on Earth was not seen with Moses or Gods voice did not announce Jesus was his son, in whom he was well pleased.

As IF? No. Revealing NT Knowledge does not negate OT Knowledge.

Also, Numbers explicitly says God is not a man.

Explicitly, Numbers says God is not a man, THAT He should LIE.

God Has Glory. Men have glory.
God is called God. Men can be called gods.

It is UNDERSTANDING you are struggling with.
The Heavenly God is the Creator, Earthly men are the Created.

God CAN APPEAR in a Fashion, a Bodily Form, that Pleases Him.
Seriously...Brucie Jenner appears in a fashion, a bodily form, that pleases him...AND decided what he desires to be called.

Ya think ole Brucie has power greater than The Almighty Heavenly God?
Ya think ole Brucie can be Called what is his pleasure, at any given time, but The Almighty Heavenly God can NOT be Called what is His pleasure at any given time?

You come here calling yourself “Wrangler”....yet, I do not know you. I have never seen you....but I am quite confident you have “other names” I do not know, that “others” call you, and you answer to.

Perspective, Context, Understanding....
Human men are Limited.
God is ONLY Limited By what He, AS His own GOD HIMSELF, declares.

God CAN NOT LIE.
Yet...lookie here...

Romans 4:
[17] (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

God can NOT LIE.
Yet...God calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Perspective, Context, Understanding.

What “THINGS ARE” is one thing.
What “THINGS APPEAR” to an “EARTHLY mans eyes/sight” is another thing.

It is a DIFFERENCE between...CARNAL and SPIRITUAL understanding...
WHAT the Human eye can SEE, and the Human Carnal MIND understands,
AND
WHAT the Human spirit can SEE, and the Human spirit’s TRUTH understands.

You are trying to Respond to Spiritual Questions with Carnal Answers.
~ IS Jesus God? Carnal answer... No.
~ IS Jesus God? Spiritual answer... Yes.

 

[Brakelite]

The title of this thread is , THE REAL JESUS . So we had better know if its the REAL JESUS WE FOLLOW
and not another jesus . THUS , THUS OPEN THEM BIBLES and LEARN THAT JESUS WELL . Learn all sound doctrine well .
Learn and let no man deceive thee . Be encouraged my friends . But OH YES , OPEN THY BIBLES .

Hey bro. We all have Bibles, and I think most of us read them with they intention of learning about Jesus... Yet here we are. The answer to your challenge... Learning Jesus... Is in a surrendered life and deep sincere repentance and prayer. Seeking Him and finding Him. Then asking Him to lead you into truth, but it ought to be noted that He will always leave room for doubt because without faith it is impossible to please Him. He will not prove who He is. Otherwise that won't be faith.
And none of us can claim to know/understand all there is to know.
KJV Job 11:7-9
7 Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?
8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
The mightiest intellects of earth cannot comprehend God. Men may be ever searching, ever learning, and still there is an infinity beyond. What we need to do is stop pontificating on the subject as we, in our arrogance and stupidity, pretend otherwise.

 

[Pearl]

Yes, all being taught that Jesus is God are being mislead. My OP proves it.

You really should get a proper bible and read for yourself all the 500 passages that point to Jesus as God or do you use a special bible approved by your organisation?

 

[Wrangler]

2 Corinthians 3:18
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

Right. Reflecting the LORD God YHWH does not make Jesus or us God.

 

[ChristisGod]

Right. Reflecting the LORD God YHWH does not make Jesus or us God.

It says the Lord ( Jesus) who is Spirit.

next

 

[Jack]

Not relevant to the point that he died as this is THE defining characteristic he lacks in being the eternal God who never does.

His flesh died. He still lived.

 

[Jack]

Di you realize how ambiguous this is compared to there is one God, the Father in 1 COR 8:6?

If you see a picture of me, it is not me, even though you know what I. look l Like.

Do you ever ask if Jesus being God is so important, why Scripture isn’t as clear as 1 COR 8:6?

It doesn't say, "He who has seen Me has seen a picture of my Father".

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father"

 

[Jack]

You say that. Like I haven't heard that 10 million times already. I've noticed alot of "digging in" and "statements". Such as This is this, and that is that. There is no room for doubt. Thomas doubted and he was not condemned. Doubt gets us to ask questions, and to gain a deeper understanding of things, which bring about beauty and design. I want to see the design and how everything ties together. How it works, how the "spiritual machine" works.

I read many verses. Posting them and saying its just true, won't edify me. I need your heart and soul, to show me you really care about this. Tell me what is God to you....how do you apply your belief in Jesus to a real-intimate-close relationship with God, beyond just Knowledge of scriptures.....

My god does this, without all stigma of blind obedient belief.

And Thomas knew Jesus personally and called Jesus "My Lord and my God".

 

[Wrangler]

It says the Lord ( Jesus) who is Spirit.

next

No. Logic is not your strong suit Mr Next.

P1.The lord God is spirit.
P2. Jesus is a man, flesh.
C. Jesus is not God

You are deliberating confusing ‘the’ with ‘my’ or ‘our’ lord. The lord created the universe. Our lord is the firstborn of said creation.

Hope this help Mr. Next.

 

[Wrangler]

His flesh died. He still lived.

Dead is dead. Scripture does not say part of him died. You are adding to Gods word to fit your doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

It doesn't say, "He who has seen Me has seen a picture of my Father".

"He who has seen Me has seen the Father"

Just because Being B looks like Being A does not mean they are the same Being.

Trinitarians always have to make these bizarre assumptions because the explicit words of Scripture goes against their doctrine.

Jesus said he has a God, who is the only true God and he never taught the trinity. Why don’t you believe Jesus?