Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)
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@Lambano I hadn't known that verse before...
I guess part of the key is whether faith related tattoos give opportunity for testimony......
All the young ppl with Bible verses tattooed with whom I have spoken seem to have received them as witness tools.
@TLHKAJ Well, they may indeed not change their minds, either.......In fact, it's probable that statistically it's daughters rather than sons who are more likely to get tattooed....at least, in North America.
BarneyFife
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What does "part of the key" mean?
So anything that provides material for testimony is ok?
That doesn't seem like a good rationale to me, F.
If someone goes downtown and burns up an apartment building full of people, and then while in prison hears the Gospel, turns his life over completely to Jesus, should the arson then be considered justified?
Sure it's an extreme example, but I don't feel justified in having done anything from which I was delivered by Christ.
Please understand, I'm just thinking this through out loud--not actually contending, per se.
But I must admit you seem to exhibit quite an obsession with this stuff.
I can't help but wonder exactly what your 'skin in the game' is.
It really seems like there's something you're not telling us.
BarneyFife
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So New Testament (Covenant) commands do not have to be obeyed—got it.
BTW, the ten commandments were never designed to save anyone, so that straw man argument is in the circular file.
All that "newness of life" jazz is just twisting of Paul's words to provide a self-deceptive loophole for disobedience but, all too late for many, it will be found to have had all the strength of a rope of sand.
What do you make of this:
1 Peter 3
2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
2While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1 Timothy 2
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
9In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
Er, uh...
@Qoheleth Great verses there.
In everything a sense of balance is indeed good.
I scrolled back and what you refer 'part of the key' was actually in response to a verse previously quoted by @Lambano , which included the word 'worthwhile', so in the context 'part of the key' refers to whether it might be considered worthwhile.
@GodsGrace PS: If it's London, there are lots of parlors there to chose from, if the ink shows are anything to go by, right?
Oh yeah?
Been to London. It's a hopping city, as most are.
Don't like it much though.
So what's at the shows?
@GodsGrace What I guess meant was, if you type 'London ink' at Youtube, you will see that your friend had a developed tattoo scene in London from which to decide where to go to get inked up. (So did she seem satisfied?)
She likes the names but feels she made a mistake with the hearts under the names,,,in red. Last we messaged, she wanted to remove them.
And I don't know how she picked the tattoo artist.
I could almost guarantee a recommendation,,but not sure.
@GodsGrace You sounded just a little surprised that she did it, anyhow, in any earlier post.
But it does sound like she both had been made to feel confident about the particular tattoo artist that she chose, and like she had been well motivated to to do it also, even if she in the end didn't like the star parts.
@TLHKAJ Thoughtful comment, yes. Like also, if a Christian woman has the tattoo of an ex-bf's name (e.g., 'BILL')and does not want to be condemned to have it visible for the rest of her life, she might well go get 'BILL' changed to 'BIBLE' or something; some artists can do really amazing artwork and cover-ups. (If this makes sense also?)
I could see that ...idk what the process is to remove a tattoo, but that may also be an option. I'll never understand why someone would get a tattoo of a boyfriend/girlfriend. I mean, it's pretty much a given they'll move on to another eventually. lol
@TLHKAJ I can see what you say, in relation to the unmarried; marriage is of course supposed to be permanent.
And I can see the permanence aspect of the tattoo that your daughter got re. the child you said had taken away from her tragically.
Sometimes tattoo removal can be painful and expensive; and the practicality of a cover up instead might suggest itself.
@MatthewG I think the video that you just posted on the other thread is by the same person that did the video about faith based tattoos and how they can be effective witness tools, right?
All the young Christians that I have talked to who have Scripture tattoos seem to have had it done for evangelistic reasons, anyway.
(There might, anyway, be a case - at least for young Christians at around 16/17, ready for their 18th b-day, for example - to be taken to a tattoo parlor by parents as more mature Christians so that they can at least consider and think through the faith potentials of faith based / witness tattoo art, if they are already considering it.)
All the young Christians that I have talked to who have Scripture tattoos seem to have had it done for evangelistic reasons, anyway.
(There might, anyway, be a case - at least for young Christians at around 16/17, ready for their 18th b-day, for example - to be taken to a tattoo parlor by parents as more mature Christians so that they can at least consider and think through the faith potentials of faith based / witness tattoo art, if they are already considering it.)
@MatthewG My wife raised the question of tattoos the other day; she never did it, though (a design on my arm faded; wasn't successful). I've talked to young ppl and all of the young ppl with Bible verses tattooed with whom I have talked have seemingly had them done for witness tool reasons. (A bit like your friend did, in the video, I think, right?)
Ronald Nolette
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You missed my point completely, or did you?
I vote I missed your point. To me you were writing against believers putting faith based or any tattoos on their body. So I responded to that.
Ronald Nolette
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No, the NT commands are for obedience. Not to gain righteousness, or add righteousness or enhance our salvation etc.etc.etc., but we live in them to show we are righteous through the new life!
I can't speak about those who wish to use "newness of life" as an exuse for disobedience, but I know the command are for us to live by to show we have been made righteous. There is a huge difference between people doing works to be righteous and those doing works because they are righteous through the blood Jesus shed.
I agree with those two verses about women and their outer appearance. But Peter and Paul are addressing how a woman shows her true beauty versus just outer stuff. It is a matter of attitude of the heart more than just what one is wearing. If we were to take this fully literally- Braids and hairdos, jewelry (even an engagement ring), and clothing of any other but the most basic sort is forbidden. But both apostles are contrasting a material and worldly way a woman seeks to highlight beauty versus how a godly woman should highlight her beauty.
It is no sin to wear jewelry or have nice clothes if the heat is right in wearing them.
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