Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[savedbygrace1]

Coffee break for a few hours.


He was warning them to grow in the Spirit, because they were still acting like baby Christians. They had everything they needed, but they would still act unlovingly towards one another. In other words, their fruit was immature.

But Paul believed they were christians didnt he. Now fit that into your rigid understanding of 1John3:5&6

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes I know, I need to be where you perceive yourself to be at. I have been baptised in the Holy Spirit. And, that helps me to discern scripture, and not make false claims about myself

If it didn't take you out of your flesh and into the Spirit in thought and deed, I don't know what you think you received, but it wasn't God. 1 John 3:9

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But Paul believed they were christians didnt he. Now fit that into your rigid understanding of 1John3:5&6

What they did was quench the Spirit. We still have free will, and we can choose to go back to sinning and even becoming a slave to sin. You are not saved then. Matthew 7:21-23.

 

[savedbygrace1]

If it didn't take you out of your flesh and into the Spirit in thought and deed, I don't know what you think you received, but it wasn't God. 1 John 3:9

Really? Someone you hold in high esteem confirmed I was baptised in the holy spirit. You just don't learn do you. Bring your interpretation of 1John 3:9 into line with Paul telling the corinthians they were the church of God

 

[Enoch111]

You probably see 1 John 1:9 as talking about Initial Salvation (to undo what it says).

Another false statement from someone who calls himself "Bible Highlighter". How can the first epistle of John be about initial salvation when John is writing to the saints -- "brethren" and "little children" who are to be in fellowship with God?

 

[Jim B]

Yes, Jesus takes away our sin, yours, mine and everyone elses who is saved

Actually, Jesus has paid the price for all sin, regardless of who committed it.

 

[Enoch111]

Note: a if a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has 2 wives, that’s grounds for swift excommunication.

Joseph Smith would be very disappointed in this.

 

[savedbygrace1]

What they did was quench the Spirit. We still have free will, and we can choose to go back to sinning and even becoming a slave to sin. You are not saved then. Matthew 7:21-23.

You have to deflect I know. What else can you do? That's the problem with your rather limited understanding of the letter you quote. Bring 1John3:5-9 into line with the corinthain church being the church of God. Stop evading!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Really? Someone you hold in high esteem confirmed I was baptised in the holy spirit. You just don't learn do you. Bring your interpretation of 1John 3:9 into line with Paul telling the corinthians they were the church of God

To add further knowledge to 1 John 3:9 look at 1 John 5:18. The keep themselves. The Corinthians didn't. But by the second book to them they had repented and were saved.

2 Cor. 7:9-10
9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

 

[savedbygrace1]

To add further knowledge to 1 John 3:9 look at 1 John 5:18. The keep themselves. The Corinthians didn't. But by the second book to them they had repented and were saved.

2 Cor. 7:9-10
9 Now I rejoice, not that you were made sorry, but that your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner, that you might suffer loss from us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.

They were saved in the first letter to them! They had the Holy Spirit. You are all over the place, because all you can do is quote the letter rigidly you want to quote. That is not enough to bring the bible into line with other scripture, you have to understand the message contained in the letter, not just quote the letter

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Note: a if a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has 2 wives, that’s grounds for swift excommunication.

Yes, that is because we are not to live our lives and give shame on Jesus. Our culture today is as in the beginning. One wife for one husband. What was acceptable or unlawful in another time can be seen as the opposite today. Right, sis?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

They were saved in the first letter to them! They had the Holy Spirit. You are all over the place, because all you can do is quote the letter rigidly you want to quote. That is not enough to bring the bible into line with other scripture, you have to understand the message contained in the letter, not just quote the letter

You are under the doctrine of once saved always saved. But the truth is we must endure to the end. Yes, we are on the path to salvation which is the narrow path, but we must stay there and grow in the fruit of the Spirit towards PERFECTION, not just salvation. Peter wrote that it is written, "be holy for I am holy." That is a long way from your idea of salvation.

2 Pt. 1:8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

 

[Jim B]

Interesting, when you first read the post you have responded to here you stated: Great post.
Best not to be double minded

I was trying to be pleasant and welcoming you to your first post. Since then you have shown yourself to be angry, evil, and driven by Satan. I regret ever being nice to you.

 

[savedbygrace1]

It seems many just want to rigidly quote selected verses of scripture and then claim they perfectly without deviation follow them. Nothing to do with the reality of their life, but I guess if you are rather limited in your understanding and can only quote the letter you dont have many options

 

[ScottA]

I understand your belief. Saved by grace through faith, continued salvation hinges on observing the law, and, to you nigh on perfect obedience to the law
Paul tells believers they are not under law but under grace. Being under law is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Your view is the same as sda members. You are not under law as long as you perfectly obey the law.
The fist casualty of your belief is love. Let me tell you, and I have decades of experience. No one who preaches nigh on sinless perfection lives up to what they preach, and they cast aside the second greatest commandment in doing so. Do you even try and obey each and every command of Christ? No you do not.

Your definition of salvation is in error.

"Continued salvation" is an oxymoron. That is like saying "temporary eternity."

If you will correct that error, everything will appear differently, that is, as it should be.

 

[savedbygrace1]

You are under the doctrine of once saved always saved. But the truth is we must endure to the end. Yes, we are on the path to salvation which is the narrow path, but we must stay there and grow in the fruit of the Spirit towards PERFECTION, not just salvation. Peter wrote that it is written, "be holy for I am holy." That is a long way from your idea of salvation.

Before you start advising people I would suggest you learn to read the bible as one cohesive whole, and ask for discernment to understand the letter you selectively quote.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Your definition of salvation is in error.

"Continued salvation" is an oxymoron. That is like saying "temporary eternity."

It you will correct that error, everything will appear differently, that is, as it should be.

Thank you for your thoughts

 

[savedbygrace1]

I was trying to be pleasant and welcoming you to your first post. Since then you have shown yourself to be angry, evil, and driven by Satan. I regret ever being nice to you.

I think you should look to yourself with your words first.

 

[Jim B]

Before you start advising people I would suggest you learn to read the bible as one cohesive whole, and ask for discernment to understand the letter you selectively quote.

As though you understand it? Obviously your chronic negative attitude clearly shows that you've wasted your time reading the Bible.

 

[Jim B]

I think you should look to yourself with your words first.

I'm not interested in what you think!