Saying you are without sin verses in 1 John

[1stCenturyLady]

Im not writing this for your benefit, for you will not admit to error. But in post 1 of this thread you stated not all christians have ben born again. You changed your mind in post 380. I only write this again, so that othersw will consider it when reading silly posts of people who claim not to commit any sin

The substance of post number one, is that we are not Christians because we SAY we are, but keep sinning. We are when Jesus has taken away our sin nature and we don't commit any willful sin. That is why we must obey our conscience which is the same as what was born again in us - our spirit and soul, or our mind and heart.

 

[savedbygrace1]

The substance of post number one, is that we are not Christians because we SAY we are, but keep sinning. We are when Jesus has taken away our sin nature and we don't commit any willful sin. That is why we must obey our conscience which is the same as what was born again in us - our spirit and soul, or our mind and heart.

One thing you can rely on, on the internet, the only commandment that really matters will be upheld:
Thou shalt not admit to error

 

[1stCenturyLady]

One thing you can rely on, on the internet, the only commandment that really matters will be upheld:
Thou shalt not admit to error

If there was an error, it was not putting " marks around the word Christian. Lets put it this way. There are many fake Christians who are not true Christians. Understand now?

A true Christian has been born again of the Spirit.

 

[savedbygrace1]

If there was an error, it was not putting " marks around the word Christian. Lets put it this way. There are many fake Christians who are not true Christians. Understand now?

I will tell you what I understand. And I do mean this seriously. I am puzzled. I was raised in churches termed ''born again'' but no church I went to that professed that title and preached the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today ever preached Paul's core message of justification. I had to go outside of those churches to hear it

 

[ScottA]

Jesus was certainly without sin, but He demonstrated the life of a BORN AGAIN Christian. Romans 8:29 shows that Jesus was the firstborn of many brethren. That is being like Him. Only those who are actually born again obey their conscience where the laws of God are written, and are saved.

This is true, but it is good to also reconcile that with "there is only one begotten"...meaning Christ, who's body we are.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I will tell you what I understand. And I do mean this seriously. I am puzzled. I was raised in churches termed ''born again'' but no church I went to that professed that title and preached the gifts of the Holy Spirit for today ever preached Paul's core message of justification. I had to go outside of those churches to hear it

Thank you. We are back to being civil. Yay! :)

Justification is being cleansed of all our PAST sins 2 Peter 1:9. At that time we have already repented and received the Holy Spirit that empowers us to not willfully sin.

There is no such scripture to support justification or sanctification as being cleansed of our past, present and future sins. Do we agree on that? The Spirit prevents present and future sins by working through our conscience.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

This is true, but it is good to also reconcile that with "there is only one begotten"...meaning Christ, who's body we are.

The reason why 1 John 3:9 is true of a born again believer and cannot sin, is the same for Jesus. We were born again with the seed of the Father, and Jesus was conceived with the seed of the Father. That is how we are many brethren and can do and be as Jesus was on earth.

 

[savedbygrace1]

Thank you. We are back to being civil. Yay! :)

Justification is being cleansed of all our PAST sins 2 Peter 1:9. At that time we have already repented and received the Holy Spirit that empowers us to not willfully sin.

There is no such scripture to support justification or sanctification as being cleansed of our past, present and future sins. Do we agree on that? The Spirit prevents present and future sins working through our conscience.

I understand your belief. Saved by grace through faith, continued salvation hinges on observing the law, and, to you nigh on perfect obedience to the law
Paul tells believers they are not under law but under grace. Being under law is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Your view is the same as sda members. You are not under law as long as you perfectly obey the law.
The fist casualty of your belief is love. Let me tell you, and I have decades of experience. No one who preaches nigh on sinless perfection lives up to what they preach, and they cast aside the second greatest commandment in doing so. Do you even try and obey each and every command of Christ? No you do not.

 

[savedbygrace1]

The reason why 1 John 3:9 is true of a born again believer and cannot sin, is the same for Jesus. We were born again with the seed of the Father, and Jesus was conceived with the seed of the Father. That is how we are many brethren and can do and be as Jesus was on earth.

For someone baptised in the Holy Spirit you show a remarkable lack of discernment of scripture verses

 

[Episkopos]

I understand your belief. Saved by grace through faith, continued salvation hinges on observing the law, and, to you nigh on perfect obedience to the law
Paul tells believers they are not under law but under grace. Being under law is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Your view is the same as sda members. You are not under law as long as you perfectly obey the law.
The fist casualty of your belief is love. Let me tell you, and I have decades of experience. No one who preaches nigh on sinless perfection lives up to what they preach, and they cast aside the second greatest commandment in doing so. Do you even try and obey each and every command of Christ? No you do not.

What if God personally provided a way to obey the law perfectly... by say...by enabling us to enter into the only Person that can do so (Jesus Christ) and His grace empowering the humble human to do exactly as the human Jesus did? Let's call this hypothesis...the New Covenant.

All who sin are under the law. Only under grace do we walk above sin. Grace is not IN sin. Grace is salvation FROM sin.

Our righteousness is as filthy rags. The righteousness of God is not so.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I understand your belief. Saved by grace through faith, continued salvation hinges on observing the law, and, to you nigh on perfect obedience to the law
Paul tells believers they are not under law but under grace. Being under law is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Your view is the same as sda members. You are not under law as long as you perfectly obey the law.
The fist casualty of your belief is love. Let me tell you, and I have decades of experience. No one who preaches nigh on sinless perfection lives up to what they preach, and they cast aside the second greatest commandment in doing so. Do you even try and obey each and every command of Christ? No you do not.

Not in the slightest. Obeying your conscience where the moral laws are written is the New Covenant. Not the Old.

The reason why the Old Covenant didn't make the Jews righteous was because they had to keep them in opposition to their nature. They still had sin in their nature. Romans 7:17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed me from the law of SIN and death.

We walk after the Spirit not the flesh.

WE OBEY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SIN. THE LAWS OF GOD ON OUR HEARTS IS WHO WE ARE, AND NO LONGER IN OPPOSITION

 

[1stCenturyLady]

For someone baptised in the Holy Spirit you show a remarkable lack of discernment of scripture verses

I think we may have a difference in definition. You've also gone back to accusations. How does the grace of God work in us? What is the grace of God?

 

[savedbygrace1]

What if God personally provided a way to obey the law perfectly... by say...entering into the only Person that can do so (Jesus Christ) and this grace empowering the humble human to do exactly as the human Jesus did? Let's call this hypothesis...the New Covenant.

All who sin are under the law. Only under grace to we walk above sin. Grace is not IN sin. Grace is salvation FROM sin.

Our righteousness is as filthy rags. The righteousness of God is not so.

You are giving pat statements based on strict interpretation of the letter of some scripture. I will repeat yet again. Neither you, nor anyone else even tries to obey the letter of all Christ's commands. That is the reality, not your pat statements. We all fall short, each and everyone of us. Personally, I think it is better to be honest, rather than post statements that are reflected in no ones life

 

[savedbygrace1]

I think we may have a difference in definition. You've also gone back to accusations. How does the grace of God work in us? What is the grace of God?

I simply told the truth. I could tell you how grace works, but as you cannot admit to error it would I am sure be a waste of time

 

[savedbygrace1]

Not in the slightest. Obeying your conscience where the moral laws are written is the New Covenant. Not the Old.

The reason why the Old Covenant didn't make the Jews righteous was because they had to keep them in opposition to their nature. They still had sin in their nature. Romans 7:17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has freed me from the law of SIN and death.

We walk after the Spirit not the flesh.

WE OBEY BECAUSE WE HAVE NO SIN. THE LAWS OF GOD ON OUR HEARTS IS WHO WE ARE, AND NO LONGER IN OPPOSITION

Its a pity you cannot understand something:
The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin
Paul told born again christians the ten commandments were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I simply told the truth. I could tell you how grace works, but as you cannot admit to error it would I am sure be a waste of time

The give me a scripture that describes grace if you don't know how to define it.

 

[Episkopos]

You are giving pat statements based on strict interpretation of the letter of some scripture. I will repeat yet again. Neither you, nor anyone else even tries to obey the letter of all Christ's commands. That is the reality, not your pat statements. We all fall short, each and everyone of us. Personally, I think it is better to be honest, rather than post statements that are reflected in no ones life

You are making the error of thinking that walking in the Spirit is by effort.

The reason why the truth is not reflected in people you know is based on the times...not the truth. You are trying to judge the Bible based on your own observations...just as unbelievers do. Maybe you need to travel.

Salvation from sin into God's glorious walk in the light is by faith....not human speculations.

There is nothing more honest than the truth that one has lived. My experience is eternally different from your own. Based on your unbelief...one has to ask...which happened first? Do you disbelieve because of your experience? Or does you experience cause you to disbelieve?

You are simply lacking faith.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Its a pity you cannot understand something:
The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin
Paul told born again christians the ten commandments were the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

I agree. We are on the same page on that. That is why we are not in the Old Covenant, because that was how it was. But we are in the New Covenant. What is that like to you?

 

[savedbygrace1]

The give me a scripture that describes grace if you don't know how to define it.

I didn't say I didn't know how to define it, rather you would not accept it. I could give you many, here's one:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

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21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

 

[savedbygrace1]

You are making the error of thinking that walking in the Spirit is by effort.

The reason why the truth is not reflected in people you know is based on the times...not the truth. You are trying to judge the Bible based on your own observations...just as unbelievers do. \Maybe you need to travel.

Salvation from sin into God's glorious walk in light is by faith....not human speculations.

There is nothing more honest than the truth that one has lived. My experienced is eternally different from your own. Based on your unbelief...one has to ask...which happened first? Do you disbelieve because of your experience? Or does you experience cause you to disbelieve?

You are simply lacking faith.

This is just pure deflection. It doesn't matter how much you write, it is not the reality in yours or anyone elses life. Are you condemning yourself?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I didn't say I didn't know how to define it, rather you would not accept it. I could give you many, here's one:

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

R
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

How do we act when we have His righteousness?